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Question about Korean armor in history dramas
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#16 WangKon936
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Posted 05 September 2006 - 12:46 PM
General Yaesul, on Sep 4 2006, 08:49 PM, said:
So nothing with Shilla and Paekche armors? From the drama I watch, Paekche officer armors were mostly in Indigo color. Shilla infantry had this cone shaped helmet, and officer with one shoulder guards strap.. Anyone has picture of the Old paekche, later paekche and Shilla armors?
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Posted 06 February 2007 - 04:12 PM
WangKon936, on Jul 25 2006, 10:15 PM, said:
Fully armored infantry is not efficient and has a history of failure. Ground troops need a measure of mobility. Once mounted knights left there horses and tried to fight on foot during the battle of Agincourt and they were so heavy that they sank into the mud, couldn't moved and were annilated by English longbow man with light armor.
Armored infantry is a trade off between mobility and protection, thus you will seldom see an infantryman with full body armor.
Another case in point are Greek vs. Macedonian hoplites. The Macedonian hoplites, foot soliders who had conquered all the known world under Alexander the Great, actually had less armor then the standard Greek hoplites.
Anyways, here are some pictures of Korean full body armor:
Koguryo Troop Types vs. Tang Troop Types. Note: Tang troops in greenish armor.
Koguryo Foot Soldier
Koguryo Armored Cavalry Men on a Tomb Mural
Koguryo Scale Armor (Probably Cavalry)
Plate infantry armor from Kaya Kingdom
Horse Armor
Kaya Cavalry Man Lamellar Armor
More pictures on the way.
The Kaya armour is very impressive. It's difficult for me to clearly make out of what material
and of which kind of armour all the different parts of the suit are made of.
It seems that the shoulder/upper arm protectors and the skirt are iron plate armour and the
torso armour together with the leg protection are lamellar.
In my opinion the body armour consists of 2 seperate pieces, namely the torso armour and
the skirt which in some way is attached to the torso armour.
Due to the skirt's peculiar form (very wide at the bottom compared to the top), it seems very
stiff and solid which means that plate armour is the most obvious kind of armour used here.
Is my interpretation of the picture correct? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Is it safe to assume that this suit of armour is of pure Korean origin?
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Posted 06 February 2007 - 05:12 PM
with that collar, wouldn't it be hard to see what's coming from around you? Or is that the diea?
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Posted 06 February 2007 - 11:16 PM
naruwan, on Feb 6 2007, 11:12 PM, said:
with that collar, wouldn't it be hard to see what's coming from around you? Or is that the diea?
I guess that's the idea, sacrifice vision for protection.
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Posted 07 February 2007 - 02:12 PM
kushan, on Feb 6 2007, 01:12 PM, said:
The Kaya armour is very impressive. It's difficult for me to clearly make out of what material
and of which kind of armour all the different parts of the suit are made of.
It seems that the shoulder/upper arm protectors and the skirt are iron plate armour and the
torso armour together with the leg protection are lamellar.
In my opinion the body armour consists of 2 seperate pieces, namely the torso armour and
the skirt which in some way is attached to the torso armour.
Due to the skirt's peculiar form (very wide at the bottom compared to the top), it seems very
stiff and solid which means that plate armour is the most obvious kind of armour used here.
Is my interpretation of the picture correct? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Is it safe to assume that this suit of armour is of pure Korean origin?
Great questions! However, I'm not a hobby armorist so I don't have enough background to address your technical questions. Now regarding the origin of Kaya and Korean type armor. That I can help you out a bit more. The Kaya armor you see is typical of armor on the Korean peninsula during this time. An exhaustive study of origins was done by Gina Barnes, an early Korean and Japanese history expert. Her analysis seems to point out that the styles of Korean armor was a blend of Mongolian, Xianbei and some Chinese type armors. The stylistic differences, being indiginous Korean, but very few things in this world is 100% originated and is usually a result of sythesis over time.
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Posted 08 February 2007 - 04:44 AM
WangKon936, on Feb 7 2007, 01:12 PM, said:
Great questions! However, I'm not a hobby armorist so I don't have enough background to address your technical questions. Now regarding the origin of Kaya and Korean type armor. That I can help you out a bit more. The Kaya armor you see is typical of armor on the Korean peninsula during this time. An exhaustive study of origins was done by Gina Barnes, an early Korean and Japanese history expert. Her analysis seems to point out that the styles of Korean armor was a blend of Mongolian, Xianbei and some Chinese type armors. The stylistic differences, being indiginous Korean, but very few things in this world is 100% originated and is usually a result of sythesis over time.
Thank's for your answer. Before you mentioned other pictures were on the way. Do you
have more pictures of Korean (early) armours which you can share with us?
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Posted 31 October 2007 - 07:34 PM
I'm actually gonna have to say Gorguryeo armor in the Korean Drama Tae Jo Young is somewhat accurate.
I can try to find some pics on Baekje Research site; but I can't guarantee you that I'll find any
I was however, able to retrieve a pic of an armor used by 4th century Sillan men, it is barely an armor anymore, and is rusted quite badly; but here it is:
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Korean armor was a blend of Mongolian, Xianbei and some Chinese type armors. The stylistic differences, being indiginous Korean, but very few things in this world is 100% originated and is usually a result of sythesis over time.
Gorguryeon armor was quite different from what I've heard. they're armor was in one piece, so as to not make a sound when moving, while Sui/Tang armor were in multiple pieces.
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Posted 25 December 2007 - 06:29 AM
Hey, I'm new here.
You guys should know most of Korean armour and medieval weapons are almost wiped out by Japanese during colonial occupation period.
Some survived because they were either hidden away or never have been discovered by Japanese.
Korea is known to have the one of most developed armour in asian history due to countless battles and wars between Korean dynasties and attacks from various Chinese empires, Mongols, Khitans, Jurchens and Japanese.
Very few asian countries showed full body armour, most extensive were during three Kingdoms period in Korea by Goguryeo, we all know Goguryeo had Kema Calvary or simply known as Kema musa. They covered from neak to leg, then every body seems to copied them.
However this type of body armour became less important during introduction of long range weapons such as composite/long bow, and guns or firearms.
I think Korea is also famous for equestrian MA, sword fighting and archery.
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Posted 29 December 2007 - 05:05 PM
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You guys should know most of Korean armour and medieval weapons are almost wiped out by Japanese during colonial occupation period.
Some survived because they were either hidden away or never have been discovered by Japanese.
It was probably not only the Japanese, but other invaders of Korea and Koreans themselves as well
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Korea is known to have the one of most developed armour in asian history due to countless battles and wars between Korean dynasties and attacks from various Chinese empires, Mongols, Khitans, Jurchens and Japanese.
That is, I think why Baekche has probably the best armor in the entire Three Kingdoms.
Gorguryeo cavalry were largely made up of light cavalry, mostly because the Gorguryeo cavalry comprised more of Manchurian tribes (that was part of Gorguryeo, or were allies) such as Mohe than those from modern-day Korea. The Mohe and other tribes preferred light cavalry with little armor and flexibility to shoot arrows while on horseback. The Kema were barely used against Chinese invaders because for Gorguryeo to get the full taste of them they would have to fight an open full-out battle. This was very rare because the enemy (Sui/Tang, various Manchurian tribes such as Khitan, etc.) outnumbered the Koreans heavily. It has been tried once against Wei with 5000 Chul Kee Byungs, however, the result was devastating the Commandery of Liaodong (Wei) had an army of more than 50 000. It eneded up in the burning of various cities in Gorguryeo. The next time it was tried however, was quite a success by Gwanggaeto. This was mostly because, well he was a great leader but his army numbered quite large, and was enough to match their opponents. After that, Gorguryeo depended heavily on their allied or vassal Manchu tribes and their own light cavalry to outrun and defeat the Tang.
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Very few asian countries showed full body armour, most extensive were during three Kingdoms period in Korea by Goguryeo, we all know Goguryeo had Kema Calvary or simply known as Kema musa. They covered from neak to leg, then every body seems to copied them.
I highly doubt the Euros had their heavy cavalry from Asia, most likely from the Cataphracts in the Middle East. Also, I believe in East Asia, it was tribes in Manchuria (that were NOT part of Gorguryeo or any other Korean kingdom) were the first to show full-body armor cavalry.
I do agree with you that Korean archery is one of the best at their times, even today, where we scrape off all Gold medals in Olympics for archery However, sword fighting in the Three Kingdoms and beyond were very scarce. Most infantry preferred Spears and long-ranged melee wpns than swords. Soon the swords became moreso for generals, and even most generals did not use swords until they lost their primary weapon.
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Posted 23 March 2008 - 11:41 AM
intem, on Aug 2 2006, 09:16 PM, said:
now i get it thx for your infos, by the way nice looking kayan armor too. But, i only have seen the koguryo armor depicted in murals, how come i never seen such an armor made by the kaya people that would be depicted in burials or something. Do you have any original documents or picutres that you might be able to share with us, mainly the kaya armor that look like what the japanese had (i know its not japanese type its korean type just to be specific).
At www.youtube.com/watch2v=Qt6tHHUa09o the clip 'Koguryeo cavalry in steel armour' can be seen. Can somebody tell me where I can get photos of the 2 reconstructions of armour (picture 11 and 12) which can be seen in the clip. Perhaps those reconstructions in reality can be seen in a museum in Korea.
Hope to hear something soon
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Posted 25 March 2008 - 02:06 AM
scale armor in the Gaya tomb (5th)
Gaya heavy cavalry shape (5~6th)
Gaya plate armor (4~6th)
Gaya horse armor
koguryo cavalry mural paintings in North korea
Edited by paranmaum, 25 March 2008 - 02:18 AM.
#27 kushan
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Posted 28 March 2008 - 03:58 PM
Has somebody got a better photo of this reconstruction at Bokcheon-Dong museum? A side photo would be great.
I love Korean cataphracts and try to learn as much as I can about them. I was wondering if they ever used armour made of hardened leather.
The trousers which the guy is wearing in the photo looks rather leather to me.
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Posted 30 March 2008 - 01:01 PM
kushan, on Mar 28 2008, 02:58 PM, said:
Has somebody got a better photo of this reconstruction at Bokcheon-Dong museum? A side photo would be great.
I love Korean cataphracts and try to learn as much as I can about them. I was wondering if they ever used armour made of hardened leather.
The trousers which the guy is wearing in the photo looks rather leather to me.
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Can somebody tell me if Gaya cavalrymen used shields?
Judging by the drinking vessel? above they must have done.
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Posted 13 November 2009 - 04:38 PM
The Movies of today can make great looking Armour out of plastic moulds, some are almost Battlestar, like. Now that the historical photos are up (thank you,very much) it appears the wardrobe people do a good job of bringing these warriors to life.
has anyone researched on much of a "technology shift" came from greece and rome, say with chain mail as they were in contact with China before they fell apart. By the 600AD period when Goguryeo-Tang were at each other, Rome had seen their best days. Any of their stuff pop up (archeologically of course)in the east?
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