Poll: How Should Park Jong-woo be Treated?
By Alastair Gale
South Korea’s sporting and political authorities lined up to support Olympic soccer player Park Jong-woo after his bronze medal was withheld–at least temporarily–for displaying a political slogan following the team’s third-place play-off win against Japan last Friday.
The sports minister indicated that Park would be awarded an exemption from military service along with the rest of the team, even if he is not given a medal.
“Our laws state that athletes who come third place or higher in the Olympics are given an exemption from military service,” Choe Kwang-shik said in a TV interview late Monday. “He won third place in Olympic football… as part of a team.”
Park was excluded from the medal ceremony in London at the request of the International Olympic Committee after he held up a sign reading “Dokdo is our territory” following the 2-0 win over Japan. Dokdo refers to the Liancourt Rocks, a group of of islets between South Korea and Japan that are also claimed by Tokyo.
The IOC is awaiting the results of an investigation by the soccer governing body FIFA before it decides whether to award Park a medal.
Politicians from both the ruling and main opposition parties in South Korea voiced their support for Park, who hasn’t made any public comments about the incident since returning to Seoul on Sunday with the rest of the team.
“If the IOC views Park’s act as being politically motivated, then it could be viewed as siding with Japan’s claim,” New Frontier Party Chairman Hwang Woo-yea said, according to the Chosun Ilbo newspaper. “Park should be given favorable treatment.”
Meanwhile, the Korea Football Association said it had written to the Japan Football Association to explain Park’s actions, although not to offer an apology.
A spokesman said that KFA Secretary-general Kim Joo-sung explained that Park’s actions weren’t premeditated and the slogan didn’t carry any political intentions. The JFA confirmed it had received an email in which it said Mr. Kim described the action as regrettable and said such an incident wouldn’t happen again.
South Korea’s Foreign Ministry denied local media reports that it had said the sign held up by Park couldn’t be considered political because it was written in Korean, which wouldn’t be widely understood.
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8:25 am August 20, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
In my opinion, Korea doesn’t need to take this case to ICJ to respond to Japan . Dokdo is not a disputed territorial area inside Korea. It’s only inside Japan. Responding to this itself is that Korea is agreeing to that matter as a disputed area. That’s what exactly Japan is doing now on Diaoyu/Senkaku island even though here many Japanese saying they are well prepared to go to ICJ with very convincing voice that international society and international law are backing for that matter. Japan would already ask to China or Taiwan to take this issue to ICJ or did they?
6:36 am August 20, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I just saw the Two special places for Koreans 2012. And my thought on this is that anybody Korean or Japanese can make that kind of videos on the sensitive issues like dokdo/takeshima putting and skipping the sources for” their own merit”on YouTube. Some parts can be true or some might not, and on this case timetable should be added for some scenes like stepping on the Japanese flag,which is very provocative action or this thing going on between two countries or which side doing ” the similar response” to” the similar action” of the other side. To be more reliable resource to the viewers to take as facts. If not, this is just another propaganda.
5:13 am August 20, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
>IOC SHOULD BE FAIR! Park Jong-woo deserves the medal.
>Here is a proof that IOC sides with Japan:
>http://i47.tinypic.com/10rpuns.png
Please tell me if you’re joking or not.
The desperation displayed by the Koreans are getting truly pathetic.
4:45 am August 20, 2012
IOC SHOULD BE FAIR! wrote:
IOC SHOULD BE FAIR! Park Jong-woo deserves the medal.
Here is a proof that IOC sides with Japan:
http://i47.tinypic.com/10rpuns.png
3:43 am August 20, 2012
Cleo wrote:
Corea, you DID it.
Coreans told the Chinese armies, “I help you save your country, then you must help me save mine.” and a deal was struck. And finally, the Japanese took the bait and China on CCTV’s “Asia Talk” declared to the Japanese commentator that China and Japan can discuss the many historical FACTS in “international court.’
Japan must think life is the MMORPG “World of Warcraft” where they can die many times and just rez at the graveyard. Good luck with that, Stupid.
You can’t back out now – not after you were so aggressive and confident about taking the Koreans to court over … Dokdo.
Closer is all you need to do.
3:42 am August 20, 2012
i think this really is separate issue.. wrote:
but, if any one is curious to know both side’s argument, since some Japanese side’s stories are being linked,
here’s a web site of korean side story for the island’s history. a lot to read, i know.. but there it is.
http://www.dokdohistory.com/?stype=2&sidx=87
3:03 am August 20, 2012
Yamato wrote:
If you would like to know about Takeshima/Dokdo, check the youtube video “Two Special Places for Koreans 2012 “.You can learn this issue in 4 minutes.
2:41 am August 20, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
화병ー！
2:17 am August 20, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
What about this:
http://www.shinpatch.com/images/CP-0003.jpg
1:50 am August 20, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Guys complainig about the uniform also should complain about this:
This is much more similar to the flag than the uniform!
A Rising Sun-like figure that appeared in London Olympic closeing celemony
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/rIQTClA0RRc/0.jpg
9:47 pm August 19, 2012
to be fair. wrote:
i have researched further into the articles and reports of fans use of rising sun flag, and the exact word i see is that it was ‘warned’ not ‘banned’ but the fans use of an object that got warning second time, is pretty much to say, they have simply ignored or for got about the warning. how many warnings should there be before it is actually a problem?
and i never said FIFA banned this. i just said there has been a previous case of punishing the use of neo-nazi sign of german soccer fans . considering that they was fined, even when this neo-nazi fag’s design is different than the original nazi sign, the rising sun flag , being the same design as old days, really doesn’t seem like a case that is any lighter.
8:36 pm August 19, 2012
@there has been enough studies wrote:
I agree with your opinion.
However, I want to correct one sentence.
>IOC had already banned the use of this flag in 2008 Olympics, this standard should not change each time.
Rising sun flag have never prohibited at IOC, FIFA.
6:11 pm August 19, 2012
there has been enough studies wrote:
about history and rights on this island from both side countries, and it can be presented to court and law to actually argue against each other while things are more cold headed. but here…. the very 1st comment being Boycott Koreans, have already set the mood of this board to be very emotional and offensive
.
there really needs to be a separate board, if we want to talk about the uniform matter, since it is not directly related to this medal issue,. it can result Park loosing medal, but it also means it can result the gymnastics loosing medals in separate case. these two are not related, it’s not like Park held up that sign because he wanted some kind of revenge against the gymnastics.
Also, if we want to talk about the enforced sex slaves matter, it should be discussed in a separate board.
this is also not a related matter to this case.
the fans using rising sun flag, is not directly relating to park’s medal situation either.
park can loose his medal, but as a separate matter this flag issue needs to be clarified , too.
IOC had already banned the use of this flag in 2008 Olympics, this standard should not change each time.
in terms of FIFA, even if it is only used by fans, actually there was already a case that they decided to fine German fans using neo-Nazi sign in the game to cheer for their players.
so, this complaint has to be going to FIFA, not IOC or here on this board.
lastly, there is a reason why places like ICJ or IOC or FIFA does not depend on web sites like Wikipedia to set their rules. it is a page that’s open to any one to write about anything. while it contains a lot of information, it is not checked and ensured by anyone that all of them are right or true. i even see them leaving false record of something as simple as who played what part in a movie.
5:20 pm August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Hakenkreuz is prohibited by IOC and FIFA.
The Rising Sun Flag is not.
Koreans should know why.
Moreovere, no athlete used theRising Sun Flag in London.
The Korea’s claim is that the uniform reminds them of the flag,
and no other country, including China, agree with them.
5:07 pm August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
the Stars and Steipes was used in WW2.
the Union Jck was used in WW2.
the Tricolore was use in WW2.
so what?
4:41 pm August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
This questionnaire result and these comments are very interesting samples of Korean exclusive nationalism. Peace
3:50 pm August 19, 2012
Japan Rising Sun Flag is Nazism wrote:
As you konw the Rising Sun Flag was used by Japan during the second world war.
It is exaxtly the same as the Swastika which is the symbol of Nazism.
I was so shocked while watching 2012 London Olympics.
Some people for Japan were holding the Rising Sun FLag. It was miracle in the 21th century.
And Japanese gymnasts at this summer’s London Olympics will be wearing uniforms emblazoned with a stylized version of the rising sun.
How can Japanes war crime be immund?
3:44 pm August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
3:15 pm August 19, 2012
>>>chae-myong wrote:
That was never a political slogan~!! Who said like that? Japanese, be human~ Shame on you~!!
>Jacques Rogge,the president of the International Olympic Committee (IOC) said so.
That’s why a stupid Korean player was not allow to attend the medal ceremony.
Korean player and team coaches ruined Olympic charter!
Obviously, you did not know about this issue, that is why your comment does not make any sense.
Shame on you.
3:15 pm August 19, 2012
chae-myong wrote:
That was never a political slogan~!! Who said like that? Japanese, be human~ Shame on you~!!
1:20 pm August 19, 2012
American justice wrote:
London Olympics: South Korean footballer”s” displayed a political message TOGETHER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFuAkNrN7c&feature=g-user-u
The International Olympic Committee has asked South Korea officials for “an explanation” after one of their players displayed a flag with a political message “Dokdo is our territory” during the match against Japan in the Olympic football games.
Several hours before the match, the president Lee Myung-bak visited islets which are disputed territory between the two countries. The visit prompted Japan to recall its ambassador from Seoul.
The match in Cardiff was seen as potentially raising diplomatic tensions and, in the event, a South Korea flag with a slogan supporting sovereignty of the islands was reportedly displayed on the field.
Fifa had already said it will investigate the incident and now the IOC has also intervened. A statement from the organisation said: “we have opened an inquiry and have asked the [South Korean Olympic committee] for an explanation.”
Fifa said it was “made aware of this incident” and its disciplinary panel chairman will study pictures from the stadium. The governing body’s statutes prohibit political statements at matches.
○○○○○ OLYMPIC CHARTER ○○○○○
http://www.olympic.org/Documents/olympic_charter_en.pdf
1:03 pm August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Are these look similar to you?
http://watch2ch.2chblog.jp/img/20101023/hata/kyokujitsuki.JPG
http://brandbanzai.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/japan-olympics-uniform-2012_thumb.jpg
12:52 pm August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
>>>Anonymous wrote:
Samsung’s phone has nothing to do with this.
Don’t be silly.
>Yeah, it’s silly isn’t i?
Koreans are saying that these two phone are so different and it’s not a copy of Apple’s design.
http://www.bitterwallet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Bitterwallet-Apple-iPhone-vs-Samsung-Galaxy.jpg
If so, please tell me that how different these flag and uniform are.
http://watch2ch.2chblog.jp/img/20101023/hata/kyokujitsuki.JPG
http://brandbanzai.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/japan-olympics-uniform-2012_thumb.jpg
Please analyze this design issue from Korean point os view.
I am willing learn.
BTW, Raising sun flag is not prohibited in Olympic.
11:07 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
＞＞＞Let me ask.. why didn’t you use the sun rising flag at China Olympic?! Is it because you are scared of China?!
Ask this guy here.
http://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/20120813/07/kpoop123/c3/cd/j/o0514048012131689526.jpg
He did not go just because he may be a human rights activist for Tibet, or he has a health issue like Asthma, I don’t know…
10:57 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
＞THIS IS KOREA VS IOC!!! NOT KOREA VS JAPAN. Why Japanese people here writing stuff??
Then why are you people bringing up their uniforms, I wonder?
10:56 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Just say that to Koreans complaining anout Japanese gymnast’s uniform here.
10:50 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
THIS IS KOREA VS IOC!!! NOT KOREA VS JAPAN. Why Japanese people here writing stuff?? maybe feeling bad after losing the soccer game? Need to get their anger out by saying “Good that Park didn’t deserve a medal?” If that makes all you JApnese feel better, go ahead and say that because we know Dokdo is our land and having the sign that says KOREA IS OUR LAND is not a crime in our hearts. Koreans!!! There is no point arguing such nonsense with the Japanese because soon the world will know that Dokdo is OUR land.
9:14 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Rising sun flag is never prohibited at JFA, IOC, FIFA.
If you wish, we could bring that flag as well.
Not a problem.
7:49 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
＞really?!
Let me ask.. why didn’t you use the sun rising flag at China Olympic?! Is it because you are scared of China?!
or is it because of you forgot?!
Please answer my question and stop attempting to divert to something else.
7:37 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Why did you Koreans decided to make a big deal out of the Japanese gymnasts’ uniforms NOW?
Do you realize there was a 1-2 weeks gap between the gymnastic competition and the Japan VS SK soccer match?
Why didn’t you guys point out about the uniform back then? Why now?
It’s because you’re trying to use this as an excuse to retaliate against the Japanese, right?
really?!
Let me ask.. why didn’t you use the sun rising flag at China Olympic?! Is it because you are scared of China?!
or is it because of you forgot?!
7:20 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
All the things Koreans are talking here, is same questions, same accusations and same comment, just like a parrot.
Why Korean does not research, analyze and think logically by themselves?
Feels like teaching history to a preschooler.
Their angers are so out of control and they refuse to learn.
They just don’t get it.
Study not only korean resources, but also compare it from other historical resources as well.
Most of resources from Korean government or news papers are not consistent and contains does not making any sense.
There are so many resources for you to study.
Ready or not,
See you guys in Hague, the Netherlands.
7:19 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
is that all?
7:18 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
All the things Koreans are talking here, is same questions, same accusations and same comment, just like a parrot.
Why Korean does not research, analyze and think logically by themselves?
Feels like teaching history to a preschooler.
Their angers are so out of control and they refuse to learn.
They just don’t get it.
Study not only korean resources, but also compare it from other historical resources as well.
Most of resources from Korean government or news papers are not consistent and contains does not making any sense.
There are so many resources for you to study.
Ready or not,
See you guys in Hague, the Netherlands.
7:01 am August 19, 2012
@Anonymous 3:07 wrote:
FIFA’s decition:Sep 16,2012
IOC’s decision:Dec 04,2012
IOC has expressed and determined with reference to the decision of FIFA.
7:00 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Please answer this question.
Why did you Koreans decided to make a big deal out of the Japanese gymnasts’ uniforms NOW?
Do you realize there was a 1-2 weeks gap between the gymnastic competition and the Japan VS SK soccer match?
Why didn’t you guys point out about the uniform back then? Why now?
It’s because you’re trying to use this as an excuse to retaliate against the Japanese, right?
6:58 am August 19, 2012
JENNY wrote:
GIVE HIM TO MEDAL…HE WAS GOOD JOB AS SPORTS MAN,
6:43 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Yeah, you’re right.
All these are nothing more than waisting time and effort for anyone.
Let’s calm down and just wait for IOC’s decision.
6:39 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
No one should waste time here… INCLUDING MEEEEE
6:22 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Korean people should not waist time here explaining these nonsense Japanese keep bringing out with Japanese Logic which is non arguable with proper logic. Rather than pressing the issue on the gymnasts and the imperial flag somewhere else.
6:15 am August 19, 2012
julie wrote:
Japanes Gymnastic player wore RISING SUN FLAG UNIFORM .That should be issued and Japanes medals should be withhold. RISING SUN FLAG is same as NAZZI FLAG.
5:48 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
What are you talking about?
Nobody is saying that Korea argued that Vietnam belongs to Korea.
The fact is that Korean soldiers raped so many Vietnames during the war,
and many Koreans doesn’t even know that.
5:29 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
wow….about the vietnam you are not getting the point…. someone help this person. don’t want to reexplain everything over and over again and waste my time no more…AND KNOW FACTS BEFORE SAYING IT!!!! DID KOREA TAKE ANY VIETNAM LAND AND IS ARGUING THAT VIETNAM BELONGS TO KOREA???? ARGGGGGGGGGGG SOOOOOO FRUSTRATED WITH PPL LIKE THIS….
5:14 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
There Koreans even don’t know what they did in Vietnam.
So many Vietnames was raped by Korean soldiers and that’s still a major ploblem among Vietnames.
Though Vietnames are wise enough not to sign those in the Olympic.
5:09 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
He sure be penalized because that’s the rule.
Though I guess no American athlete is stupid enough to do that.
5:09 am August 19, 2012
@@Vietnam not same wrote:
Korean children were forced to go to school taught by all Japanese teachers, they were forced to sing Japanese anthem while looking at Japanese Sun rising flag, speak ONLY in Japanese, praise the Japanese emperor as if he was their own… If they didn’t, and resisted the teacher, they were sent to the police station where they were…severely tortured, and even killed….
4:35 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
If an American athlete held up a sign that said “Hawaii is our land!” would he have been penalized?
Why are you making a big deal about saying what’s mine is mine?
Don’t get it.
4:29 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Don’t operate a result. Shameless !!!
4:26 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Korean children were forced to go to school taught by all Japanese teachers who taught them what the JApanese government wanted to fill Korean children’s head with
4:19 am August 19, 2012
@@Vietnamnotsame wrote:
Korean children were forced to go to school taught by all Japanese teachers, they were forced to sing Japanese anthem while looking at Japanese Sun rising flag, speak ONLY in Japanese, praise the Japanese emperor as if he was their own… If they didn’t, and resisted the teacher, they were sent to the police station where they were…severely tortured, and even killed….
4:10 am August 19, 2012
@ Vietnam not same wrote:
Like to add that although Japan tried to turn Koreans into Japanese, they didn’t treat Koreans equally.
4:07 am August 19, 2012
@Vietnam not same wrote:
Like to Add to your comment: Japan tried to turn Korean into Japanese yet didn’t treat them equally. Korean children were forced to go to school where it was taught by all Japanese teachers, speak ONLY in Japanese and sing Japanese anthem looking at the Japanese sun rising flag infront of every classroom
4:07 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
3:21 am August 19, 2012
@Anonymous wrote:
yes, Olympic is for sprotsmanship.
And PARK did best so PARK should get his Medal!!!!
That is point!!!!!
I agree with you! But…
You said, “If someone take away that spirite, we should kick out that person or nation at onece.” Are you refering to Park and South Korea? If it is, tell me, how is it that holding a sign saying “Korea is our land” by a Korean is “taking away that spirit?” Is it that serious of a crime for a player to hold up such a sign about one’s own country handed out by his fan? Is it that serious that the player wasn’t allowed to participate in the medal ceremony with his fellow team members? Is it that serious that one athlete’s dream could be crushed? Is it that SERIOUS? If he go and kill himself, Would then everyone be happy? Would THAT be good enough consequence for “taking away the spirit?”
WHO TAKES WAY KOREAN SPIRIT IS JOC, KOREAN WON AND KOREAN DO THEIR BEST AND GET MEDAL, BUT SOMEONE INTENTIONALLY TAKE THIS OLYMPIC SPIRIT AWAY FROM KOREAN SHOULD KICK OUT FROM OLYMPIC AT ONCE!!!!
4:05 am August 19, 2012
Vietnam not same wrote:
Agree with you @how it vietnam situation. Korea sent its soldiers to help Americans. Japan on the other hand, COLONIZED and tried to ANNEX it. Not only did Japan send its soldiers but sent Japanese officials, their family, its people etc..so that Korea will become Japan
4:03 am August 19, 2012
Vietnam not same wrote:
Agree with you, @how is vietnam situation. Korea sent its soldiers to help Americans while Japan COLONIZED korea and tried to ANNEXT Korea for 35 years. Japan not only sent soldiers but Japanese officials, made Korean children forced children to go to school taught by all Japanese teachers, they were forced to sing Japanese anthem while looking at Japanese rising sun flag…(just to mention a little of it…)
4:00 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
3:42 am August 19, 2012
@Anonymous wrote:
How did he break rule?
That is Korean spirit, “We are proud that Dokdo is our land”, somethig make you proude and make statement about that is against rule?
Then you cannot put “we love japan” for banner or “we love japanese player”, because that is against rule, too.
right?
3:51 am August 19, 2012
how is vietnam situation wrote:
related to this card message? korean player was not holding any sign that says korean has some part of Vietnamese island. the reason why korean ppl are acting sensitive about this issue is because that island was the very first island japan concurred over and still want to claim it as theirs once in a while (like every 2-3 years? after the war )and this can send some message to korea that they are still not accepting the fact that korea is free from japan. if japan is not bringing up this claim once in a while, and teach the truth about this island to their later generation, koreans would not be bringing up the past WW2 stories either.
it’s not like korea is saying korea never had war with Vietnam, or had a match with Vietnamese team and held up a sign that one of their island is still theirs.
this is like a same situation as how Japan says this island is already ours and we do not have to go to icj to china, and if you simply think just because you are benefiting from the right to refuse to go to icj, i t automatically means that you have something fishy, with this same logic, since japan is so confident about this island being theirs, they should go to icj to solve this issue with china. but they don’t.
and the reason why korea ever got involved in vietnam war was because america wanted korea to help.
considering how america as part of allied countries, actually helped freeing korea, korean government felt they needed to help in return. this was not a war that was started by korea out of greed to concur over other country. it is totally different motive than what japan had for WW2.
3:49 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
@@last anonymous
No other country is taking historical thing to the Olympic ’cause that’s the spirit and that’s the rule of the Olympic
Well, look at your hands. What do you have ? An imperial flag! I know you are not talking about real historic item, but the meaning of it and its presence itself tell more than words. I saw those even at the closing ceremony. I’m getting tired of your double standard blinding yourself and trying to do it to others. But we are not you. At least not me.
3:42 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Park is blamed by breaking the rule, not by taking away the spirit.
3:35 am August 19, 2012
@Anonymous 3:20am wrote:
First, who are you talking to? I think you aren’t clear on the difference between Korea&Vietnam situation vs Korea&Japan. From what I know, Korea sent its soldiers to Vietnam to help Americans. As with Korea&Japan, Japan COLONIZED Korea and tried to ANNEX Korea. Not only Japanese soldiers were sent to Korea but Japanese officials and thier family etc… Korean children were forced to go to school taught by the Japanese, sing Japanese national anthem while looking at Japanese sun rising flag which was infront of every classroom, speak ONLY in Japanese…
3:30 am August 19, 2012
@Anonymous 3:20am wrote:
First, who are you talking to and why are you starting Korean & vietnam now? Anyways, I don’t think you are clear on the difference. From what I know, Korea participated in the Vietnam War to aid Americans; they sent Korean soldiers. With Korea & Japan, Japan COLONIZEd, tried to ANNEX Korea, not only having Japanese soldiers sent to Korea but also Japanese officials etc. Japan forced Koreans to become like them; forcing Korean children to go to school taught by Japanese teachers, sing Japanese national anthem while looking at Japanese rising sun flag which was infront of every class room. They were forced to speak ONLY in Japanese @ school and in public to list just a few. Japan tried to turn Korean into Japanese yet did not treat them equally as a Japanese but as slaves.
3:21 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
yes, Olympic is for sprotsmanship.
And PARK did best so PARK should get his Medal!!!!
That is point!!!!!
I agree with you! But…
You said, “If someone take away that spirite, we should kick out that person or nation at onece.” Are you refering to Park and South Korea? If it is, tell me, how is it that holding a sign saying “Korea is our land” by a Korean is “taking away that spirit?” Is it that serious of a crime for a player to hold up such a sign about one’s own country handed out by his fan? Is it that serious that the player wasn’t allowed to participate in the medal ceremony with his fellow team members? Is it that serious that one athlete’s dream could be crushed? Is it that SERIOUS? If he go and kill himself, Would then everyone be happy? Would THAT be good enough consequence for “taking away the spirit?”
3:20 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
K, then list any other player beside Park who broke that rule in London.
I don’t remenber, but I maybe wrong.
And you perfectly explain why Koreans forgot about what they did in Vietnam.
3:18 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
This is not just Korean side violated the Olymic spirit. Japanese rising sun flag also has to be brought out to IOC to see if it is violated using it at the Olympic pointing out its spreading imperialism symbol. This is more serious and disrupting issue than that soccer player’s in my opinion. I was watching only games so I didn’t even noticed it before. Among all this stir, at least something constructive should be done.
3:12 am August 19, 2012
@Anonymous 2:44 wrote:
“All those must be put aside in the Olympic Games.” Yes, Korean people understand that and that’s why Park after the game reached his hand out to the Japanese player to raise him up from the soccer field. However, let me tell you something. For the person who caused harm, it’s easy to forget what they did…but for the victim, it’s never easy to forget – like I realized with my grandma who got raped by a Japanese soldier…till she died, she couldnt forget what happened.
And you say that no other country is taking historical things to the Olympics? REALLY? ARE YOU SURE?
3:07 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
By the way, when will IOC make thie final decision about Park?
Does anyone know?
3:03 am August 19, 2012
@@Anonymous wrote:
Not only SK but all countries and their countrymen who committed a crime such as rape which is not part of the country’s war agenda should apologize. If I have the ability, I would love to lead an international campaign for justice for such matter. Why, you want to help me out? Like a vice-president in the club? I will totally welcome you!
You asked if the concept is hard for me to understand? No. as I stated before, “About Park’s action, if it’s considered political to hold up a sign saying “Korea is our land” then sure, that wouldnt be abiding by the Olympic rule and should face the consequence.” If holding such sign as “Korea is our land” by a Korean is a poor sportsmanship, then I agree with you that I don’t respect poor sportsmanship either.
2:57 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
2:51 am August 19, 2012
@@Last Anonymous wrote:
yes, Olympic is for sprotsmanship.
And he did best and he should get his Medal!!!!
That is point!!!!!
If someone take away that spirite, we should kick out that person or nation at onece.
2:55 am August 19, 2012
@@@ last comment wrote:
Still I don’t hate the Japanese because they’ve done nothing wrong (new generation). It is the Japanese government that is at fault in my opinion. Let me emphasize again, it’s not the Japanese people.
2:54 am August 19, 2012
@@@@LastComment wrote:
Well said and to tell you the truth, i’m not sure how I would handle it. I’m pretty good putting myself in others shoes, and if i were born in Korea and my grandmother and grandfater suffered, i’d likely be angry. However, I know one thing, the counter-hate approach towards Japan will never work. Get your justice, go through political channels, and do it with dignity and respect for your ancestors and I’m sure you’ll get the justice you seek. I have to go…good luck!!
2:51 am August 19, 2012
@Last Anonymous wrote:
All those must be put aside in the Olympic Games.
That’s the spirits of Olympic.
If S Koreans do not understand that, they should not take parts on Olynpic.
No other country is taking historical thing to Olympic.
’cause that’s the spirit,and the rule of the Olynpic!
I AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!
2:50 am August 19, 2012
@@@LASTCOMMENT wrote:
I don’t care whether you are black, white, Japanese or even Korea. I am on the same boat as you in that I care little about the politics. It’s nice to hear that you sympathize. Not everyone does that…they try to ignore. You say you disagree with how I am handling the situation though? How else should I handle the situation? I already said “About Park’s action, if it’s considered political to hold up a sign saying “Korea is our land” then sure, that wouldnt be abiding by the Olympic rule and should face the consequence.” If your saying you disagree with how I am handling the situation against Japan, then try to put yourself in my shoes and tell me how you would handle it. Say your grandma was raped by a Japanese soldier. Then your grandpa got captured, treated like a dog and was forced to become a shield for Japanese soldiers to fight China? Your grandpa is still alive and you see him still suffer from side-effects of the time when Japan colonized Korea. Now, you hear that Japan is saying that Korea is our land and saying that they have many proofs. Online, people are saying things like koreans are making excuses, and they are hopeless, can’t move etc… Could you be calm about it?
2:48 am August 19, 2012
@Anonymous wrote:
If i understand your argument correctly, then you by the logic of your argument should apologize for atrocities committed by S.K.s in Vietnam in the 70s? Will you be leading an international campaign for justice on this topic?
p.s I do respect South korean victimes, I DON’T respect poor sportsmanship in the Olympics!!!! Is that an impossible concept for you to understand????
2:44 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
All those must be put aside in the Olympic Games.
That’s the spirits of Olympic.
If S Koreans do not understand that, they should not take parts on Olynpic.
No other country is taking historical thing to Olympic.
’cause that’s the spirit,and the rule of the Olynpic!
2:44 am August 19, 2012
@@@LastComment wrote:
Look, I have sympathy for your grandpa. What I meant was that modern japanese are not the ones who committed those crimes. if there are Imperialists left, by all means, go through the International Court of the Hague. I support you!! But what does this have to do with Olympic behavior??? I get the history. my grandfather served as an American Pacific campaign. He told me stories about how the japanese soldiers were cruel…cruel to others and cruel to each other as well. American POWs suffered greatly at the hands of the Japanese. BUT I DON’t hate them! The war is over, the people in the stadiun in London were not the killers. Many in this country hate the Muslims for 9/11. I don’t, Muslims didn’t crash airplanes into the Trade Center, 21 extremists and Al Qaeda operatives did. I’m all for justice, but lets make the guys paid that did it, not just because they happen to be born Muslim…or Japanese…or from any other country.
2:39 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
This is not about what you are ok with Japanese imperial flag or not since you don’t represent American veterans.This is about the people whose ancestors and their decedents and also your( American) wwII veterans had been through the war and to show some respect at least if they are polite which they strongly are boasting about.
2:37 am August 19, 2012
@@LASTCOMMENT2:17AM wrote:
Koreans weren’t only ones who suffered in WWII. But it’s not what I am talking about. I am talking about the time when Japan colonized Korea. Not only Japanese soldiers invaded Korea but Japanese government tried to swallow up Korea as whole to make it their own. Not only the land but they brainwashed Korean people to become Japanese. If Japanese tried to make Koreans to become Japanese without striping their identity and treated them equally as fellow Japanese, I wouldn’t say ANYTHING. But that wasn’t a case. Btw, you say that those people are long dead? how DO YOU KNOW? my grandpa lived through the time when japanese colonized Korea and he’s still ALIVE!
2:30 am August 19, 2012
@@lastcomment wrote:
Do I sound Japanese????Really? I care little about the politics, I hope you get your Dokdo, i couldn’t care less. I’m talking about sportsmanship. Everybody knows the historical record. You act as if only SKs have some sort of esoteric knowledge about the atrocities. Most people like myself sympathize with your cause but disagree about how you are handling it. Understand? It’s the behavior, not the imjustice that we dispute!!
2:26 am August 19, 2012
@9021oh wrote:
Re U serious?! I can believe such selfish comment!!
Don’t cry! Seems you SKs don’t mind dishing out insults but have a hard time absorbing some.
2:26 am August 19, 2012
@@lastcomment wrote:
Oh my… I didn’t expect for you to answer my question but your answers aren’t the answers I was expecting. You might feel like A,B,C are the answers, and that’s fine with me cuz that’s your opinion. The point that I wanted to get at was that Korean people still have scars in their hearts from the time when Japan colonized Korea and the side effect to that still remains as there are people who are still living who lived through the time when Japan colonized Korea. By the year 2204, sure, when Korean people who lived during the time Japan colonized Korea all die, those scars would disappear as new generations wouldn’t care as some korean kids nowadays. About Park’s action, if it’s considered political to hold up a sign saying “Korea is our land” then sure, that wouldnt be abiding by the Olympic rule and should face the consequence. Btw, it doesnt make your argument any stronger to say you are not Japanese because in here, anyone can say they are not Japanese and not Korean. By the points you make, you are either in favor for Korea or in favor for Japanese like you have done when you answered ABC.
2:24 am August 19, 2012
@Anonymous wrote:
You missed my point! I’m American and I do not hold a grudge against modern Japan for committing war crimes against American POWs. WWII is over! The modern Japanese are no more responsible for those crimes than you are for SK slaughter in Vietnam.
2:24 am August 19, 2012
9021oh wrote:
Yes medal! Absolutely! How can the athlete be punished for STATING A FACT?? Plus it wasn’t even WRITTEN IN ENGLISH!!! Universal Language!! or even in Japanese for the Japanese to read!! It was in KOREAN for Korean people to READ!!!!!!!
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Re U serious?! I can believe such selfish comment!!
2:20 am August 19, 2012
@9021yes wrote:
Do you really think that because it wasn’t written in English that SK should be absolved? Are you 4 years old? look, facts are irrelevant. What makes this political is government stances. The reality that Japan disputes the territory is all that is needed to make it political.
2:18 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
If IOC took away the Korean players medal, I think the koc should press strongly on that Japanese gymnasts and the rising flag issue with all their effort not to happen this ruddiness again. Korea has right to do it not only for Asian countries and American ww II veterans.
2:17 am August 19, 2012
@Last Comment wrote:
Do you think your fellow Koreans are the ONLY people who suffered in WWII and the imperial Japan era? Vietnam, US prisoners of War in Japanese prison camps, millions of Russians and millions of Jews slaughtered, America suffered Pearl Harbor and the Japanese endured a nuclear attack. In fact, SK soldiers slaughtered Vietnamese in the 70s! Where are your high moral standards there? yes, Korea suffered horribly, but the war is over and the modern Japanese, the ones whom you take your anger out on, are not the ones who perpetrated this crime. Those people are long dead!
2:08 am August 19, 2012
9021yes wrote:
Yes medal! Absolutely! How can the athlete be punished for STATING A FACT?? Plus it wasn’t even WRITTEN IN ENGLISH!!! Universal Language!! or even in Japanese for the Japanese to read!! It was in KOREAN for Korean people to READ!!!!!!!
2:07 am August 19, 2012
@LastComment wrote:
the excuse seem to be “but… the Japanese”??? WHY DO YOU THINK PEOPLE RESPOND IN THIS WAY?
A. Because they don’t have a good answer for the Park incident which is the relavant point here!
B. Because their ONLY excuse for poor behavior in modern international sporting events is to cite the Japanese & historical atrocities from WWII.
C. Because like children they rarely take responsibility for their OWN actions.
How about a question for you? What did Park’s action have to do with the Japanese? He raised the sign, he a SK national violated Olympic policy…the Japanese didn’t, they followed the rules. I suppose in the year 2204 your compatriots will be asked, “Hey why did you commit this Olympic violation” and the standard reply will be “Do you know what the Japanese did in WW!!”? grow up! I’m not Japanese and I see how ridiculous you’re being!
2:05 am August 19, 2012
@japaneseenglishisnotgood wrote:
you say that rising sun flag was not found? Were you there to check every individual in the stadium? And what human being have the ability to look for that one flag and decide whether that one flag was there or not? Or are you gonna replay the camera that played the game to check for the flag? then what about those moments that the camera didn’t capture? If i say I was there and I saw the old rising sun flag, then would you believe me? NO YOU WOULDNT! YOU WOULD SAY…it’s an excuse..”incidentally, rising sun flag was not to be found in the stadium.”
2:03 am August 19, 2012
9021oh wrote:
No medal! Absolutely! How can we accept such a rude attitude on Olympic games?!
1:57 am August 19, 2012
@@japaneseenglishnotgood wrote:
the excuse seem to be “but… the Japanese”??? WHY DO YOU THINK PEOPLE RESPOND IN THIS WAY? Think WHY before criticizing. DID YOU HAVE A GRANDMA WHO GOT RAPED AND A GRANDFATHER WHO WAS DRAGGED INTO A MILITARY CAMP TO BE TRAINED AS A DOG FOR ANOTHER COUNTRY SO HE CAN BECOME A SHIELD FOR THE OTHER COUNTRY’S SOLDIERS?? If you dont, DONT EVEN TALK ABOUT KOREAN PEOPLE THIS AND THAT!
1:57 am August 19, 2012
The World wrote:
No medal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1:48 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
learned this from my grandpa who lived through the japanese rule and is going to 90 this year.
During the time, he barely had anything to eat. He was forced to go to school where it was taught my Japanese teachers. He was forced to sing Japanese anthem while looking at Japanese flag which was infront of every class room. Korean flag was no where to be seen as it was illegal to have them. If he said what he thought and said something that wasn’t what the teacher wanted to hear, he was beaten by the teacher. If any student resisted the teacher, he was taken to the police station to be severely beaten by the Japanese police. continued…
1:43 am August 19, 2012
Korea wrote:
GIVE Park His medal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1:43 am August 19, 2012
idonthatejapancontinued wrote:
Let me tell you what I learned; not from a Korean government but from my Grandfather who lived under the Japanese rule. FYI, my grandfather is going to be 90 next year and he is still alive, living in Korea. So if you have any doubts, go and ask him. Also, I can’t have learned anything from a Korean government Education system because I didn’t even go to school in Korea. During the time when Japan colonized Korea, he barely had anything to eat. Maybe eating one meal a day was lucky. He was forced to sing Japanese national anthem at school, speak ONLY Japanese at school or anywhere in public. There was (old) Japanese flag in school and Korean flag was no where to be seen. There was no freedom in anything even in religion. They were forced to worship Japanese gods. Especially the Christians were persecuted. There was an incident where bunch of Koreans gathered at a building to worship God – children, women, men, the old and the young. When Japanese officials learned this, they sent soldiers to kill them. Shooting them would still be bad but what they did was… they locked the entrance from outside and made sure no one can get out. Then they set the building on fire. Whoever tried to escape from windows were pushed back in or if they got out, killed on the spot with a sword. continued…
1:37 am August 19, 2012
@JapaneseEnglishisNotGood wrote:
I have to agree on this one! The excuse seems to be, “but…the Japanese” .
1:28 am August 19, 2012
Japanese English is not good wrote:
Although this title is “Poll: How Should Park Jong-woo be Treated?”,South Korean criticize about “Rising Sun Flag”.
Are you kids?
A kid says “Hey,Only I am not bad. He is bad,too. He as well as me should punish. ”
By the way when korean soccer player Ki Sung-Yueng was criticized FIFA for his goal celebration,He used “Rising Sun flag” as an excuse.
Incidentally,”Rising Sun Flag” was not to be found in the stadium.
And so I think South Korean have the habit of using “Rising Sun flag” as an excuse to protect himself from the international censure.
12:10 am August 19, 2012
truestory wrote:
I learned this not from korean government but from my grandpa (my dad’s dad) who lived through the time when japan colonized korea and is going to be 90 this year. He told me that during that time, he barely had anything to eat. Eating one meal a day was considered lucky. He was forced to attend school taught by Japanese teacher, forced to sing national anthem in Japanese while facing japanese flag which was infront of every classroom, forced to speak ONLY in japanese in school and in public. If he didn’t he would’ve been severely beaten by the teacher or if try to resist and stood up, voiced his opinion, he would be taken to the police station where the beating would be even more severe. continued…
12:05 am August 19, 2012
Real story wrote:
Let me tell you what I learned; not from the Korean government but from my grandpa who lived through the Japanese rule and is going to be 90 this year. For you info, I don’t know what the Korean education system teach about Japan or what they don’t teach because I never attended school in Korea. (please read all my posts before saying anything. continued…)
12:04 am August 19, 2012
@WhatIOCisSaying wrote:
As far as I know, the IOC already ruled on this matter.
12:02 am August 19, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
korea japan korea japan korea japan
12:01 am August 19, 2012
i I dont dislike japan continued wrote:
Read all my posts before saying anything. Thanks.
Let me tell you what I learned; not from the Korean government but from my grandfather who lived through the Japanese rule and is going to be 90 this year. Just for you info, I wasn’t taught under a Korean Education system as I never went to school in Korea. Anyways, here is what I heard…
During the time when Japanese colonized Korea, my grandpa barely had anything to eat. Eating one meal a day was considered lucky. He was forced to go to school to be taught by Japanese teachers, forced to sing Japanese national anthem facing Japanese flag which was infront of every classroom. He was forced to speak Japanese and Only in Japanese at school and in public as if you didn’t you could get dragged into the police station and be severely beaten up. korean flag was nowhere to be seen as having one was illegal. (continued…)
11:51 pm August 18, 2012
I dOnt hatedislike japan continued wrote:
Read all my posts before saying anything about it. Thanks.
Let me tell you what I learned; not from a Korean government but from my Grandfather who lived through the Japanese rule. FYI, my grandfather is going to be 90 next year and he is still alive, living in Korea. So if you have any doubts, go and ask him. Also, I can’t have learned anything from a Korean government Education system because I didn’t even go to school in Korea. During the time when Japan colonized Korea, he barely had anything to eat. Maybe eating one meal a day was lucky. He was forced to sing Japanese national anthem at school, speak ONLY Japanese at school or anywhere in public. There was (old) Japanese flag in school and Korean flag was no where to be seen. continued….
11:49 pm August 18, 2012
i dont hate japan continued wrote:
Let me tell you what I learned; not from a Korean government but from my Grandfather who lived through the Japanese rule. FYI, my grandfather is going to be 90 next year and he is still alive, living in Korea. So if you have any doubts, go and ask him. Also, I can’t have learned anything from a Korean government Education system because I didn’t even go to school in Korea. During the time when Japan colonized Korea, he barely had anything to eat. Maybe eating one meal a day was lucky. He was forced to sing Japanese national anthem at school, speak ONLY Japanese at school or anywhere in public. There was (old) Japanese flag in school and Korean flag was no where to be seen. There was no freedom in anything even in religion. They were forced to worship Japanese gods. Especially the Christians were persecuted. There was an incident where bunch of Koreans gathered at a building to worship God – children, women, men, the old and the young. When Japanese officials learned this, they sent soldiers to kill them. Shooting them would still be bad but what they did was… they locked the entrance from outside and made sure no one can get out. Then they set the building on fire. Whoever tried to escape from windows were pushed back in or if they got out, killed on the spot with a sword. continued…
11:48 pm August 18, 2012
what ioc is saying is wrote:
that they are not currently investigating or discussing about rising sun uniform at this point.(this was already about a week ago)that is not to say, we have concluded that the uniform is ok. this just means that they haven’t hear anything about this at that point.
and they do agree that park’s message is political matter issue but they will make their decision after they get a report from FIFA. which is to say what FIFA reports in the end would be mainly influential to the final decision.
from what i gather, it just means for Park matter, it’s more up to FIFA now.
and the uniform matter is a separate matter from Park’s case, but if they get official objections for that case , they will either have to answer to this, not in the way they are saying ‘we’re not currently talking about it’ but in a way this is why we are allowing it, or not. or the 3rd option would be keep pretending that they don’t hear it, and and they never received any complaint of this matter.
11:47 pm August 18, 2012
I dont hate japan continued wrote:
et me tell you what I learned; not from a Korean government but from my Grandfather when he lived under the Japanese rule. FYI, my grandfather is going to be 90 next year and he is still alive, living in Korea. So if you have any doubts, go and ask him. Also, I can’t have learned anything from a Korean government Education system because I didn’t even go to school in Korea. My grandfather is the purest person I know and everyone who knows him in the small village as well as his family members; my uncles and aunts, told me that they never saw him getting mad or raise his voice. Because of this, as well as the incident while living under Japanese rule, he was in a magazine. Here is what I learned from him. During the time when Japan colonized Korea, he barely had anything to eat. Maybe eating one meal a day was lucky. He was forced to sing Japanese national anthem at school, speak ONLY Japanese at school or anywhere in public. There was (old) Japanese flag in school and Korean flag was no where to be seen. There was no freedom in anything even in religion. They were forced to worship Japanese gods. Especially the Christians were persecuted. There was an incident where bunch of Koreans gathered at a building to worship God – children, women, men, the old and the young. When Japanese officials learned this, they sent soldiers to kill them. Shooting them would still be bad but what they did was… they locked the entrance from outside and made sure no one can get out. Then they set the building on fire. Whoever tried to escape from windows were pushed back in or if they got out, killed on the spot with a sword. Anyways, my grandfather grew up and when he was a young man, (around his 20′s,) he was captured along with rest of young Korean men to be taken into Japanese military training camp to be sent out as Japanese soldiers in order to fulfill Japanese mission to invade & conquer China. Even if they were sent out as Japanese soldiers, they weren’t treated as such. They were basically sent out to the frontline, to become shield for the real Japanese soldiers. Anyways, at the military camp, they were kept like prisoners; always beaten by the Japanese soldiers and not given proper meals. (I imagined how Jews were treated by the Nazis). Korean young men were forced to wake up early in the morning to be checked if they were present or not and if someone was missing, then bunch of Japanese soldiers were sent out of the military camp to find Koreans who tried to escape. Grandpa told me that most Koreans who tried to escape were caught and brought back to the camp to face painful death in front of other Korean men. He said that having one’s head chopped off was a lenient way of dying. Back to the story… after being captured, my grandpa realized that he would rather die than to fight for Japan. So he decided to make an attempt to escape the military camp. He knew that there was more chance that he would be captured and get killed but it didn’t matter to him. He woke up in the middle of the night, and made an escape. He told me he ran and ran throughout the night knowing that Japanese soldiers would chase him with horses after the morning check-up. (Grandpa also told me that it was really sunny that day… no cloud at all… no sign of any rain…) He was thirsty from running but also the heat made him more thirsty – but he couldn’t stop because he knew he would die if he did. It seemed like it was noon because my grandpa said the sun was totally up… From a distance, he said that he could hear Japanese soldiers coming after him. Near him, was a rice field so he quickly hid in the rice field. Maybe the Japanese commander saw him but when he got to the rice field, Grandpa told me that the Japanese commander yelled, “I know you are hiding here. If you come out now, I will show mercy and kill you quickly…but if you don’t, I will kill you painfully in front of other Koreans to set example!” With that, grandpa heard soldiers cutting the rice field with their sword, trying to capture my grandpa. At the moment, grandpa told me that he thought, “This is the end…” and only thing that he could do was fold his hand and pray; pray to God. (He told me how he prayed but I don’t remember anything but one statement..”God, if you let me live now, then I will sing hymns and give praise to you with my voice till I die.” I don’t know if it was a coincidence or not but as he finished praying, heavy rain started to fall down from the sky, it became dark and there was loud, big thunder/lightning. My grandpa said that the raindrops were so heavy that it was hard to keep his eyes open. I don’t know if the Japanese commander was afraid of getting shocked by a lighting because he had his sword out or maybe the lightning, thunder and raindrops altogether made it impossible for the search to continue…but the Japanese commander stopped the search and made an order to return to the camp. That’s how my grandpa lived, and because my grandpa lived, I am here today. Whenever I visit my grandpa even to this day, I find him singing hymns (not like 24/7) but whenever he can. Kinda sweet huh? Plus he can still speak in Japanese so I always ask him to teach me some Japanese words whenever I visit him LOL~As I already mentioned, I don’t hate Japan even though my grandpa could’ve gotten killed and I could’ve not be even born (I am not being sarcastic) because my grandpa lived and I am here today. As for other Koreans who lost their loved one under Japanese rule or have a loved one like your grandma who got raped, I am sorry about that and I know that no words can console you. I know I have no right to say to you to forget and move on cause I don’t have any loved one went through such an incident but I think/believe that hating isn’t a solution; (Both Japan and Korea should stop hating). If Japan sincerely apologizes, then I think we should forgive them and try to move on although it may be hard to forget. For those who read this, I would appreciate it if you don’t comment negatively about my grandpa or my grandpa’s story. (I think I would be deeply hurt by it if you do.) Whether you believe it (what I wrote) or not is up to you. If you really want to comment, you can comment on first three sentences as it is my opinion and from “As I already mentioned…” Thanks.
11:46 pm August 18, 2012
I DON'T HATE JAPAN continued wrote:
et me tell you what I learned; not from a Korean government but from my Grandfather when he lived under the Japanese rule. FYI, my grandfather is going to be 90 next year and he is still alive, living in Korea. So if you have any doubts, go and ask him. Also, I can’t have learned anything from a Korean government Education system because I didn’t even go to school in Korea. My grandfather is the purest person I know and everyone who knows him in the small village as well as his family members; my uncles and aunts, told me that they never saw him getting mad or raise his voice. Because of this, as well as the incident while living under Japanese rule, he was in a magazine. Here is what I learned from him. During the time when Japan colonized Korea, he barely had anything to eat. Maybe eating one meal a day was lucky. He was forced to sing Japanese national anthem at school, speak ONLY Japanese at school or anywhere in public. There was (old) Japanese flag in school and Korean flag was no where to be seen. There was no freedom in anything even in religion. They were forced to worship Japanese gods. Especially the Christians were persecuted. There was an incident where bunch of Koreans gathered at a building to worship God – children, women, men, the old and the young. When Japanese officials learned this, they sent soldiers to kill them. Shooting them would still be bad but what they did was… they locked the entrance from outside and made sure no one can get out. Then they set the building on fire. Whoever tried to escape from windows were pushed back in or if they got out, killed on the spot with a sword. Anyways, my grandfather grew up and when he was a young man, (around his 20′s,) he was captured along with rest of young Korean men to be taken into Japanese military training camp to be sent out as Japanese soldiers in order to fulfill Japanese mission to invade & conquer China. Even if they were sent out as Japanese soldiers, they weren’t treated as such. They were basically sent out to the frontline, to become shield for the real Japanese soldiers. Anyways, at the military camp, they were kept like prisoners; always beaten by the Japanese soldiers and not given proper meals. (I imagined how Jews were treated by the Nazis). Korean young men were forced to wake up early in the morning to be checked if they were present or not and if someone was missing, then bunch of Japanese soldiers were sent out of the military camp to find Koreans who tried to escape. Grandpa told me that most Koreans who tried to escape were caught and brought back to the camp to face painful death in front of other Korean men. He said that having one’s head chopped off was a lenient way of dying. Back to the story… after being captured, my grandpa realized that he would rather die than to fight for Japan. So he decided to make an attempt to escape the military camp. He knew that there was more chance that he would be captured and get killed but it didn’t matter to him. He woke up in the middle of the night, and made an escape. He told me he ran and ran throughout the night knowing that Japanese soldiers would chase him with horses after the morning check-up. (Grandpa also told me that it was really sunny that day… no cloud at all… no sign of any rain…) He was thirsty from running but also the heat made him more thirsty – but he couldn’t stop because he knew he would die if he did. It seemed like it was noon because my grandpa said the sun was totally up… From a distance, he said that he could hear Japanese soldiers coming after him. Near him, was a rice field so he quickly hid in the rice field. Maybe the Japanese commander saw him but when he got to the rice field, Grandpa told me that the Japanese commander yelled, “I know you are hiding here. If you come out now, I will show mercy and kill you quickly…but if you don’t, I will kill you painfully in front of other Koreans to set example!” With that, grandpa heard soldiers cutting the rice field with their sword, trying to capture my grandpa. At the moment, grandpa told me that he thought, “This is the end…” and only thing that he could do was fold his hand and pray; pray to God. (He told me how he prayed but I don’t remember anything but one statement..”God, if you let me live now, then I will sing hymns and give praise to you with my voice till I die.” I don’t know if it was a coincidence or not but as he finished praying, heavy rain started to fall down from the sky, it became dark and there was loud, big thunder/lightning. My grandpa said that the raindrops were so heavy that it was hard to keep his eyes open. I don’t know if the Japanese commander was afraid of getting shocked by a lighting because he had his sword out or maybe the lightning, thunder and raindrops altogether made it impossible for the search to continue…but the Japanese commander stopped the search and made an order to return to the camp. That’s how my grandpa lived, and because my grandpa lived, I am here today. Whenever I visit my grandpa even to this day, I find him singing hymns (not like 24/7) but whenever he can. Kinda sweet huh? Plus he can still speak in Japanese so I always ask him to teach me some Japanese words whenever I visit him LOL~As I already mentioned, I don’t hate Japan even though my grandpa could’ve gotten killed and I could’ve not be even born (I am not being sarcastic) because my grandpa lived and I am here today. As for other Koreans who lost their loved one under Japanese rule or have a loved one like your grandma who got raped, I am sorry about that and I know that no words can console you. I know I have no right to say to you to forget and move on cause I don’t have any loved one went through such an incident but I think/believe that hating isn’t a solution; (Both Japan and Korea should stop hating). If Japan sincerely apologizes, then I think we should forgive them and try to move on although it may be hard to forget. For those who read this, I would appreciate it if you don’t comment negatively about my grandpa or my grandpa’s story. (I think I would be deeply hurt by it if you do.) Whether you believe it (what I wrote) or not is up to you. If you really want to comment, you can comment on first three sentences as it is my opinion and from “As I already mentioned…” Thanks.
11:42 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
What a ….. ! Are you dumb spoilt little girl or what? I don’t give a crap whether you are on our side or not. Welcome to the reality/ This is me Japanese. Thank you very much! It was essential for me to ask your ethnic background, even though I asked if you were bothered or not, because you did not care my caution which I suggested not use the word ” sex slavery” before posting it was even from quote from Korean side, which means you also made me deemed you are a biased person who are from Australia. Call me a racist or whatever you like. I don’t care but there are many Korean immigrants which is really important to know for us when we discussed about historical issue. One thing I should tell you.
Your questions above are quite off the topic.
11:41 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
It’s very distracting to read the some Japanese comments saying all the time they are superior to Korean boasting and introducing their logic on things that I can’t see the logic. Only some racial comments and insulting Korean culture I hear which is very lowly and annoying. So sad.
11:40 pm August 18, 2012
g wrote:
Do you want the player to be insulted by South Korean?
http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/Mn0OGqWmUmU/mqdefault.jpg
Good opportunity to teach manners to South Korea
11:40 pm August 18, 2012
Canadian standing up for SK wrote:
I’ve had critical comments about SK, but pacachon your comments of false stories do not reflect the historical record. Firstly, The question isn’t about SK bringing up “false stories”, the question is one of whether it is ‘appropriate” to do so at the Olympics. Secondly, SK has propelled itself from a very poor nation to one of the richest (12th strongest world economy). That is an amazing stat given the size of this country, which btw also boasts one of the strongest education systems despite it being a high pressure industry in that nation. That’s pretty good for a small nation, wouldn’t you say? Lastly, I love kimchi.
@Anonymous…the web link you offered doesn’t prove that the “Park incident” was planned. No proof was offered that Park conspired with these athletes. However, it does demonstrate that Park reached into the stands for the sign and wasn’t as innocent as some people on here suggest .
11:26 pm August 18, 2012
pacachon sumida wrote:
What a pathetic race, “chon-min” is !
Oh, you poor thing !
this race has nothing to boast of.
So there is no way without forcibly making the majority of innocent korean stir up rivalry against Japan and always shouting the false story so is called “tragedy of korean comfort woman by Japanese troops during WW2 including numerous.sinful deeds by Japanese troops.
I’m fed up with hearing a reiterating made‐up story.
Does anyone know any medicine which can cure korean folly?
But I regret there is nothing effective for folly !
Oh I’ve just found out one thing Korean can be proud of !
It’s a rotten stinker, korean kimchee !
10:45 pm August 18, 2012
Anoymous wrote:
@Macedonian
It’s a good thing you brought out. If I look at it from the far away I might be confused with Japanese one, but the color and the design is very distinguishable Now I know your country’s flag and your country’ history( thanx to wikipidia) Thanks again you brought it out.
10:37 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Yeah… totally wasn’t planned and it was “unintentional”, right?
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8r7tyEYfj1qe377do1_500.jpg
10:30 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymos wrote:
Do you want to know how I differentiate “deliberately” on the Korean player “after” the game and the Japanese gymnasts putting on “before, during and after” the game, I think it’s obviously easy here . Of course this is the matter IOC would decide with their clear and unpartial judgement. Only I know the Japanese side of gymnasts uniform story by asahi newspaper site saying the designer’s comment about it.
If the athletes didn’t know what that means by their distorted history and only the designer take responsibility of it,besides his guilt or not by IOC, I put higher praise on the Korean soccer player knowing his past and present in a way the history should be.
10:28 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Yup, Koreans sure like their F5 key lol
10:26 pm August 18, 2012
An Observation wrote:
Does anybody else notice that many SKs have no problem slinging insults at other nations or harrassing their facebook accounts, posting their contact information on internet sites, but are very sensitive when others make unfavorable comments towards their homeland? Does anybody else notice that many SK citizens are demanding apologies for WWII atrocities by the Japanese, but have said nothing about atrocities committed by their countrymen in Vietnam? Does anybody else notice that many say the Park event wasn’t political, then proceed to give you a long historical/politcal account of why park was justified in holding up the sign? You can’t have it both ways SK netizens!
10:24 pm August 18, 2012
은화 wrote:
박종우 화이팅! 독도는 우리땅!
10:11 pm August 18, 2012
Macedonian wrote:
South Koreans must hate the flag of the Republic of Macedonia because it resembles the sun-rising flag very much.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_Republic_of_Macedonia
10:08 pm August 18, 2012
@2016 Summer Olympics wrote:
That’s quite a stretch there. First of all, I don’t think you are quite grasping the issue here. Just about every city has a statue or commemoration that has some historical/political context. The question is: Is the nation or athlete using that statue or sign or flag or whatever it is FOR a political purpose.
9:57 pm August 18, 2012
Please Tell me... wrote:
I’m an Australian immigrated from Indonesia.
I have ever done researching this issue. As I had seen this issue, studies by Japanese authorities are a bit more convincing.
Also, I realise Indonesia was temporarily under Japanese control, but I don’t take it negative.
My impression of Japanese people is polite and smart enough to debate. However, to my regret, some comments by presumable Japanese people suddenly call me ‘blind’ and hiss at me in anger.
Looking back at my previous entries, you will find my view is closer to Japanese ones than Korean. (I had already mentioned Japan did not admit such incidents.)
But they harshly went off on me, saying “Don’t use the word ‘sex slavery’”.
I just quoted the phrase while talking to a Korean. That’s not necessarily a reflection of my perspective.
You would say, “I don’t think it favorable to call it ‘sex slavery’. We see them as recruited prostitutes’”(It would be appreciated Koreans understand I just quoted the rhetoric of Japanese comments.)
So I am really disappointed at Japanese writers on the offensive…
(BTW, I don’t know why a Japanese writer would like to know my background. What makes a difference?)
9:56 pm August 18, 2012
2016 Summer Olympics wrote:
South Korea honors 2016 Summer Olympics in Rio de Janeiro and Cristo Redentor, a statue of Jesus Christ in Rio de Janeiro which was built to commemorate the 100 years of independence of Brazil. Cristo Redentor is to Brazilians what DOKDO is to South Koreans because DOKDO is the symbol of the independece from Japan. Use this picture, “Cristo Redentor on DOKDO”, to symbolize 2016 Summer Olympics in Rio de Janeiro.
http://i49.tinypic.com/30hy8gx.jpg
No politics here. Just the fact.
9:52 pm August 18, 2012
@Anonymous wrote:
To be fair to that Korean soccer player, IOC should investigate the Japanese artistic gymnasts about the uniform. How dare the Japanese athletes rise up high their imperial army flag?
I’m an outsider btw! What isn’t yet clear is that those uniforms represented “The Rising Sun” flag. I admit there is enough of a similarity to make a case to the IOC. If the IOC deems the uniforms as a representation of the Rising Sun, then my view is yes, they should be penalized as well. However, Park deliberately held up and ran around with a sign that had a “specific message”, so his guilt is unquestionable as far as I am concerned.
9:44 pm August 18, 2012
@HowPolitical wrote:
They’re political if they’re in dispute. If England claimed NY, no matter how ridiculous that assertion might be, the fact that their government claims it is enough to make it a “political” matter. Facts don’t make disputes political or not, government stances do.
9:39 pm August 18, 2012
@Peacekeeping Canadian wrote:
I’m emotional about this issue? Don’t you have that backwards? You’re CAPPING all your comments and fail to accept my opinion and seem to be deeply hurt by it as evidenced by your comments. Why did I take so long to respond with the Stephen Harper issue? Because, I don’t spend all day on hereI You keep insisting that I have a strong passion for the Korean-Japanese dispute and I’ve said that I don’t care whether Dokdo is Korean or Japanese. If you feel passionate about it being Korean, then great, I hope you get it. I simply stated my opinion that Park held up a “political” sign.If you don’t like it, too bad, that’s my opinion. You say Canadians should be neutral well,I don’t represent the Canadian government I represent my own opinions and the question asked on this site was “should Park get a medal? I amswered it. As far as how can I make judgments about people’s nationalities on here? It’s really easy. Of course one can never be 100% certain but grammar is always a giveaway, the way writers string sentences together, inserting articles unnecessarily, pluralizing words that shouldn’t be–subject-verb agreement…and lastly, ideological viewpoints. A Canadian would never prhase sentences they way you do. But, that’s just my opinion, I think it has more to do with Native speakers and second language speakers than it does nationalites. Anyway, it’s unimportant. My view still stands, this Canadian says: no medal for Park!.
9:36 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
This proves the political slogan was all planed by the KFA.
Shame on them.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8r7tyEYfj1qe377do1_500.jpg
9:20 pm August 18, 2012
?? wrote:
The real political issue is that Japan claims Dok-Do as their territory which hasn’t been under their control except Japanese colonial era.
This means Japan still believes Korea is under their control and THIS is a big problem to the world since Japanese Imperialism which was a very good friend of Nazis is still alive in that country.
World, is it ok to you to see another WWII in Asia and another form of restoration of Nazis?
9:16 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
>How political!!
Except no other countries are childish enough to to do what Park did on the field.
9:15 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
If it doesn’t happen this time, still there will be many Olympics Koreans, not only Koreans but other Asian people also will join on that issue. On the process of all your distorted effort to change all other views give the chance to see who you really are and learn more about your rewritten history and the real history. That’s the only good thing come out of this mess.
9:14 pm August 18, 2012
?? wrote:
Can anyone but Korean enter Dok-Do without passport?
9:12 pm August 18, 2012
How political!! wrote:
New York belongs to America!
Toronto belongs to Canada!
Paris belongs to France!
London belongs to Great Britain!
And Tokyo belongs to Japan!
How political these are…
8:56 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
And the uniform,too.I just read the interview but he didn’t say like what you guys said. He said about that issue he heard about that for the first time. So thanks again.I thought you have better and certain source than that.
8:55 pm August 18, 2012
@Anonymous 8:38 wrote:
“적어도 IOC 내에선 논란이 되고 있지 않다.”
http://joongang.joinsmsn.com/article/459/9043459.html?ctg=
8:51 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
We don’t need any further relationships with South Koreans. Koreans are so obnoxious, annoying and sticky- sneaky. Lee, the president of SK insulted our emperor. Never forgive him. This sneaky guy was finally crossing the line. NO MORE KOREA. We are no hesitation to take your war declaration anytime from you Koreans.
8:45 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The uniform looks NOTHING like the rising sun flag.
I don’t see the problem.
I does resemble the national Japanese flag but not the rising sun flag.
It’s a pretty desperate attempt by the Koreans.
8:38 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Exactly right. Korea didn’t look closely ’cause they were busy focusing on the games not to look for any sign of political cause to make any issue on their own domestic political benefit. Their big mistake.But thanks to you guys Korean should look very closely on that issuable things from now on. Let’s start making issue from the rising sun flag. It could be good start.
8:34 pm August 18, 2012
@Anonymous 8:28pm wrote:
Here.
http://joongang.joinsmsn.com/article/aid/2012/08/14/8665190.html?cloc=olink
He answerd so in an interveiw of Korean Newspaper.
8:28 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I’m just wondering. Where can I find that Jaques Rogge’s comment over the uniform?
8:17 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
>It is so funny that nobody claimed about the Japanese gymnasts uniform before the Park’s performance.
Moreover, Jacques Rogge, the IOC President, already commented that there is no ploblem about the uniform.
Exactly.
No one gave a crap about their uniforms before SK got into trouble.
This is how pathetic the Koreans are.
8:10 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
It is so funny that nobody claimed about the Japanese gymnasts uniform before the Park’s performance.
Moreover, Jacques Rogge, the IOC President, already commented that there is no ploblem about the uniform.
7:57 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
To be fair to that Korean soccer player, IOC should investigate the Japanese artistic gymnasts about the uniform. How dare the Japanese athletes rise up high their imperial army flag? HOW DARE! Is this Japanese manner they are proudly talking about or the result of teaching distorted history that make them have this ill-mannered pride. IOC should ban this flag permanently and at the any international events. Remember that because you erased your part of history it doesn’t mean other nation did the same shameful thing.
7:11 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
See all these disaster here!
THIS IS WHY POLITICAL ISSUES ARE PROHIBTED IN THE OLYMPIC GAMES!!
Park should get punished for breaking the rule.
the only problem is “how hard?”.
IOC probably make the decision hard enough to make sure nobody will do this again.
In my opinion,
Park is a great soccer player and should get his medal if he promised that he will never do this again.
6:44 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
>My article which is written in 2007, WHICH IS MORE RECENT, says that Abe REFUSES to APOLOGIZE.
Which later the Japanese Parliament had apologized for…
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1997272_1997273_1997286,00.html
6:43 pm August 18, 2012
@love korea wrote:
Because those way to celeblate is prohibited in Olympic by the Olympic Charter.
State about an ownership is always an political issue whether it is true or not.
6:41 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Almost all japanese here telling they have great deal of historical proofs for the dispute cases and one mentioned that for that matter Japan has backed by internatonal society. I’m wondering what kind of international soceity group will jump in this very sensitive matter taking sides risking some future disadvantage instead of taking neutral side and the historical proofs I easily doubt that genuinity over this textbook rewriting.
6:39 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
@Please Tell me… One more question, You are Australian. OK May I ask your ethnic background, if you are not bothered?
6:38 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
＞The apology is not official Japanese apology. It’s that Prime Minister’s apology but not Japan as whole
Oh I see, so I guess Koreans have never apologized for the massacre in Vietnam either.
6:37 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Sorry my bad grammar *Why do you
6:35 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
@Please Tell me…Then, why are you keep using such those inappropriate words? Are you biased Australian?
6:31 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
@Please Tell me… Hey hey, what do you mean by biased and nationalism-minded. What does my remarks bother other my fellow Japanese? Why could you say so? I am telling you the truth!
6:30 pm August 18, 2012
love korea wrote:
The player, Park mentioned the island is Belongs to Korea and it’s true. He just wants to celebrate his winning with Korean writing banner. Why is that so matter?
6:25 pm August 18, 2012
Please Tell me... wrote:
Hey, you are rude enough to call me “blind”!! Watch your mouth, Japan. This is a public arena. Japanese like you will be seen as biased and nationalism-minded. Your remark will bother other Japanese people. Be careful!
6:15 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
@Please Tell me.. Are you blind? DO NOT use the wards “sex slavery”.
6:12 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Those woman are so called prostitute just like Korean women are doing the same thing around the world in the current era. They were recruited from news paper and earned money. Their wage was sky high than ordinary soldiers.
There evidences are still remaining with photos and some ex-soldier’s testimony.
http://makizushi33.ninja-web.net/
6:11 pm August 18, 2012
Please Tell me... wrote:
I’ve just read the link. I used Google’s translation.
Hmm… Willy Brandt is German PM… He is not an emperor…
I think Japan gave apologies many times from some PM… It seems like little difference to me…
I have another question. I will copy and paste it.
“And as you pointed out, the Japanese government does not admit sex slavery led by its Imperial Army.
If the talks on this issue will remain as far apart as ever and Japan ignores your country (your requests and voices etc…), what will you do? Just keep asking them to apologize, even if they neglect you?”
Please tell me your answers!
5:52 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous @ 5:47 wrote:
Yeah don’t act like you aren’t.
Your comment is as biased as mine.
You are willing to disregard ALL VICTIMIZED WOMEN.
HOW UNBIASED IS THAT?
5:47 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
@5:45 pm August 18, 2012@ Anonymous You are biased and brainwashed.
5:47 pm August 18, 2012
@KNT @ Please tell me... wrote:
I don’t know if you are Japanese or not but you do have to realize that they are PARTIALLY admitting for their action. My article which is written in 2007, WHICH IS MORE RECENT, says that Abe REFUSES to APOLOGIZE.
5:46 pm August 18, 2012
KNT @ Please tell me... wrote:
http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/women/fund/pmletter.html
5:45 pm August 18, 2012
@ Anonymous wrote:
You too are truly biased.
There are so many women claiming that they were tricked into sex slavery (not just Koreans).
But you are believing, against all the victims.
Even if some of them are lying, you can’t simply regard ALL OF THEM ARE LYING.
You called me brainwashed Korean but you seem brainwashed too.
You aren’t so different from me. You are biased.
5:45 pm August 18, 2012
KNT @ Please tell me... wrote:
http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/women/fund/state9308.html
5:41 pm August 18, 2012
KNT @ Please tell me... wrote:
Japan also apologized for and to comfort women. Again, they are official and still effective.
http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/women/fund/pmletter.html
http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/women/fund/state9308.html
5:40 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Yes, they are.
5:40 pm August 18, 2012
@ Anonymous wrote:
Okay. NOT FORCED. TRICKED WILL BE A BETTER WORD CHOICE.
5:40 pm August 18, 2012
@ Anonymous wrote:
Many women believed they were being recruited by the army for other types of labor, only to learn they were to be used as sex slaves to calm the nerves of Japanese troops.
5:38 pm August 18, 2012
@ Anonymous wrote:
Yeah, that’s why korean women sued Japan, right?
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/03/05/the-politics-of-apology-for-japans-comfort-women/
You think those women are lying?
5:37 pm August 18, 2012
KNT @ Please tell me... wrote:
Japan also apologized for comfort women. Again these are official and still effective.
http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/women/fund/state9308.html
http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/women/fund/pmletter.html
5:37 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
FYI, One of them were arrested with charged with fraud. LOL
Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiXXNEL5PmQ
5:37 pm August 18, 2012
@@Anonymous wrote:
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2012/08/116_117446.html
5:33 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
>All those women who were forced in to sex slavery claim that they were FORCED.
You are such a brainwashed Korean. Do not spread lies over the world.
5:32 pm August 18, 2012
KNT @ Please tell me... wrote:
Japan also officially apogized for comfort women. Again these are offical and still effective.
http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/women/fund/pmletter.html
http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/women/fund/state9308.html
5:30 pm August 18, 2012
@Anonymous wrote:
Why do we need to bring the case of Senkaku ahead of China!
The islands are under our control legally.
So, if it is unreasonable for China, it is China that file a suit against the ICJ.
Then we will take countermeasures with many historical materials to prove it right in the courtroom!
SO HOW IS KOREANS???? OH… I’VE FORGOT YOU ARE COWARD!!!
5:30 pm August 18, 2012
@Anonymous wrote:
All those women who were forced in to sex slavery claim that they were FORCED.
5:28 pm August 18, 2012
@KNT @ Annonymous wrote:
Yup. Russia is very actively acting upon the matter.
Japanese are reluctant though.
5:27 pm August 18, 2012
@Please Tell me... wrote:
The attitude is the problem
http://commkorea.tistory.com/397
I bet you can’t read Korean and I can’t translate everything for you but sincere apology is necessary as German did.
5:26 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
@ Please Tell me… Do not use the word “sex slavery”if you don’t know history. It is not the fact.
Watch this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PORJQoVRqhk
5:25 pm August 18, 2012
@Anonymous wrote:
Yes, of course!
We will bring the case into the ICJ over Senkaku islands dispute, if China wants to do that.
That’s because it’s our territory, whose claim is backed by international society and international law.
We have many pieces of historical materials to prove it right!
We are not coward as you Koreans!
5:25 pm August 18, 2012
KNT @ Annonymous wrote:
You wrote “Japan also refuses to go to ICJ”, but have Russia ever proposed that? Russia admits there do exist a territorial issue and Japan and Russia have had talks on the issue.
5:21 pm August 18, 2012
Please Tell me... wrote:
Hmm.. I have learned current emperor said in 1996: “Our country afflicted people in Korean peninsula in our history. I still regrettably have their deep sorrow in my memory.”
He is an loyal family member. So it’s very circumlocutory. But I feel he wanna say “sorry”.
Do you know this comment from him? And don’t you think it’s his apology?
And as you pointed out, the Japanese government does not admit sex slavery led by its Imperial Army.
If the talks on this issue will remain as far apart as ever and Japan ignores your country (your requests and voices etc…), what will you do? Just keep asking them to apologize, even if they neglect you?
5:18 pm August 18, 2012
@ Anonymous wrote:
I’m sooo glad that you brought this up.
Japan also refuses to go to ICJ with Kuril islands dispute with Russia.
5:15 pm August 18, 2012
KNT @ Annonymous wrote:
I agree with you, Anonymous. Japan should open a dialogue on the Senkaku islands with China, to avoid being criticized for taking double standards.
5:11 pm August 18, 2012
@ KNT wrote:
Yeah, what you’ve said is true now.
Emperor lost its power after the WWII.
But all the actions were taken under Japanese emperor when Japanese colonized Korean.
5:10 pm August 18, 2012
13yo_Sex_Slave wrote:
@Please Tell me…The Japanese have “removed” this part of their history. It is not taught in their schools although the holocaust is. They have neither apologized or admitted to any of their crimes. No one from the Imperialist Military has been tried tor their war crimes. Here is a link of some of what they have done. Although you may not be able to read, the photos are self explanitory. **The photos are VERY GRAPHIC** DO NOT LOOK IF YOU ARE EASILY UPSET OR WEAK HEARTED
http://blog.naver.com/ljk2013/140154326746
5:09 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
It seems to me Japanese people tend to remember selectively and hide intentionally their history on their convenience ’cause they find things (facts or not) whatever serve just for them and interestingly ignore the other facts. Is it the Japanese Logic? I think Korea could(don’t have to) consider to go to ICJ after Japan solve the Diaoyu Island( the Senkaku island) dispute with China and Taiwan at the ICJ. Japanese people think it’s theirs, so why don’t you bring it to ICJ? Are you going to say, “Why bother? That’s ours.” Doesn’t it sound very familiar?
5:09 pm August 18, 2012
IDONT HATE JAPAN NUMBER 2 wrote:
Let me tell you what I learned; not from a Korean government but from my Grandfather when he lived under the Japanese rule. FYI, my grandfather is going to be 90 next year and he is still alive, living in Korea.During the time when Japan colonized Korea, he barely had anything to eat. Maybe eating one meal a day was lucky. He was forced to sing Japanese national anthem at school, speak ONLY Japanese at school or anywhere in public. There was (old) Japanese flag in school and Korean flag was no where to be seen. CONT….
5:09 pm August 18, 2012
han wrote:
give him his medal
5:08 pm August 18, 2012
Observer wrote:
@ american observer 2 Cheers for letting people come back and read my comment. Good Job. Oh, by the way, harass me by using Japanese. No damages for me by your language at all, dork. BYE!!
5:07 pm August 18, 2012
KNT wrote:
Japan’s constitution says that Emperor is a symbol of Japan. He has no political or diplomatic power at all. PM represents Japan. PM’s apology is an official apology.
5:07 pm August 18, 2012
For those of people who wants know what Koreans want. wrote:
http://my.news.yahoo.com/koreas-lee-myung-bak-wants-japanese-emperor-apologise-035002818.html
5:06 pm August 18, 2012
I dont hat e japan contniued wrote:
Let me tell you what I heard from my grandpa who lived through the Japanese rule and is going to be 90 this year. During the time when Japan colonized Korea, he barely had anything to eat. Was forced to sing Japanese national anthem, speak ONLY in Japanese at school and in public. there was Japanese flag infront of every classrooms even though majority if not all the students were Korean. Having a korean flag was illegal. (continued)
5:04 pm August 18, 2012
Edwina wrote:
Wake up, Japan! Don’t distort your history!
5:02 pm August 18, 2012
@KNT wrote:
Yeah, but the thing is the emperor represents Japan.
But he had never apologized for the fact.
Imperialism took place under the Japanese emperor.
The real person who should apologize is the emperor.
But none of the Japanese emperors apologized for anything.
Koreans think emperor’s apology is the nation’s apology, not just prime ministers.
Because each political parties differ their opinions.
4:59 pm August 18, 2012
@Please Tell me... wrote:
Also, Japanese real power is not Prime minister.
Koreans want apology from emperor, who represent Japan.
4:57 pm August 18, 2012
KNT wrote:
I introduced the link because some people wrote “Japan has never apologized”. The statement was made in 1995 and is still effective. This is the offical stance of Japan.
4:52 pm August 18, 2012
me dont hate Japan continued wrote:
Let me tell you what I learned; not from a Korean government but from my Grandfather when he lived under the Japanese rule. FYI, my grandfather is going to be 90 next year and he is still alive, living in Korea. So if you have any doubts, go and ask him. Also, I can’t have learned anything from a Korean government Education system because I didn’t even go to school in Korea. My grandfather is the purest person I know and everyone who knows him in the small village as well as his family members; my uncles and aunts, told me that they never saw him getting mad or raise his voice. Because of this, as well as the incident while living under Japanese rule, he was in a magazine. Here is what I learned from him. During the time when Japan colonized Korea, he barely had anything to eat. Maybe eating one meal a day was lucky. He was forced to sing Japanese national anthem at school, speak ONLY Japanese at school or anywhere in public. There was (old) Japanese flag in school and Korean flag was no where to be seen. There was no freedom in anything even in religion. They were forced to worship Japanese gods. Especially the Christians were persecuted. There was an incident where bunch of Koreans gathered at a building to worship God – children, women, men, the old and the young. When Japanese officials learned this, they sent soldiers to kill them. Shooting them would still be bad but what they did was… they locked the entrance from outside and made sure no one can get out. Then they set the building on fire. Whoever tried to escape from windows were pushed back in or if they got out, killed on the spot with a sword. Anyways, my grandfather grew up and when he was a young man, (around his 20′s,) he was captured along with rest of young Korean men to be taken into Japanese military training camp to be sent out as Japanese soldiers in order to fulfill Japanese mission to invade & conquer China. Even if they were sent out as Japanese soldiers, they weren’t treated as such. They were basically sent out to the frontline, to become shield for the real Japanese soldiers. Anyways, at the military camp, they were kept like prisoners; always beaten by the Japanese soldiers and not given proper meals. (I imagined how Jews were treated by the Nazis). Korean young men were forced to wake up early in the morning to be checked if they were present or not and if someone was missing, then bunch of Japanese soldiers were sent out of the military camp to find Koreans who tried to escape. Grandpa told me that most Koreans who tried to escape were caught and brought back to the camp to face painful death in front of other Korean men. He said that having one’s head chopped off was a lenient way of dying. Back to the story… after being captured, my grandpa realized that he would rather die than to fight for Japan. So he decided to make an attempt to escape the military camp. He knew that there was more chance that he would be captured and get killed but it didn’t matter to him. He woke up in the middle of the night, and made an escape. He told me he ran and ran throughout the night knowing that Japanese soldiers would chase him with horses after the morning check-up. (Grandpa also told me that it was really sunny that day… no cloud at all… no sign of any rain…) He was thirsty from running but also the heat made him more thirsty – but he couldn’t stop because he knew he would die if he did. It seemed like it was noon because my grandpa said the sun was totally up… From a distance, he said that he could hear Japanese soldiers coming after him. Near him, was a rice field so he quickly hid in the rice field. Maybe the Japanese commander saw him but when he got to the rice field, Grandpa told me that the Japanese commander yelled, “I know you are hiding here. If you come out now, I will show mercy and kill you quickly…but if you don’t, I will kill you painfully in front of other Koreans to set example!” With that, grandpa heard soldiers cutting the rice field with their sword, trying to capture my grandpa. At the moment, grandpa told me that he thought, “This is the end…” and only thing that he could do was fold his hand and pray; pray to God. (He told me how he prayed but I don’t remember anything but one statement..”God, if you let me live now, then I will sing hymns and give praise to you with my voice till I die.” I don’t know if it was a coincidence or not but as he finished praying, heavy rain started to fall down from the sky, it became dark and there was loud, big thunder/lightning. My grandpa said that the raindrops were so heavy that it was hard to keep his eyes open. I don’t know if the Japanese commander was afraid of getting shocked by a lighting because he had his sword out or maybe the lightning, thunder and raindrops altogether made it impossible for the search to continue…but the Japanese commander stopped the search and made an order to return to the camp. That’s how my grandpa lived, and because my grandpa lived, I am here today. Whenever I visit my grandpa even to this day, I find him singing hymns (not like 24/7) but whenever he can. Kinda sweet huh? Plus he can still speak in Japanese so I always ask him to teach me some Japanese words whenever I visit him LOL~As I already mentioned, I don’t hate Japan even though my grandpa could’ve gotten killed and I could’ve not be even born (I am not being sarcastic) because my grandpa lived and I am here today. As for other Koreans who lost their loved one under Japanese rule or have a loved one like your grandma who got raped, I am sorry about that and I know that no words can console you. I know I have no right to say to you to forget and move on cause I don’t have any loved one went through such an incident but I think/believe that hating isn’t a solution; (Both Japan and Korea should stop hating). If Japan sincerely apologizes, then I think we should forgive them and try to move on although it may be hard to forget. For those who read this, I would appreciate it if you don’t comment negatively about my grandpa or my grandpa’s story. (I think I would be deeply hurt by it if you do.) Whether you believe it (what I wrote) or not is up to you. If you really want to comment, you can comment on first three sentences as it is my opinion and from “As I already mentioned…” Thanks.
4:49 pm August 18, 2012
@Please Tell me... wrote:
Yeah, if you look at KNT’s link, the apology took place in 1995.
But if you look at IF ANYONE THINKS JAPAN APOLOGIZED FOR THEIR ACTIONS’s link, Japanese are refusing to admit that they forced women into sex slavery, and refuse to apologize for that fact.
So Japanese are partially admitting/ apologizing.
Many of women who were driven into sex slavery against their will want official apology (including Taiwanese) but Japan just refuses to admit the fact.
Right-wingers are deliberately fixing their history book to exclude some of the savagery they did etc.
Some extreme right-wingers believe that they’d enlightened Koreans and think their action is justifiable, which Koreans don’t buy.
It’s more like right-wingers vs. All Koreans. But since this Japan vs. Korea issues are getting uglier, many Japanese are also becoming nationalists as well.
4:41 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
wow still doesnt work… not putting any swearing words in it… & it’s still like three sentences long
4:38 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
AHHHHHHH STILL DOESNT WORK
4:33 pm August 18, 2012
Please Tell me... wrote:
It seems to me (I’m an Australian!) Koreans call for Japanese to give an official apology.
What is the “official apology”?
@KNT said “It’s that Prime Minister’s apology but not Japan as whole.”
How do Koreans pardon Japanese? Japanese PM’s apology is not an official apology????
What do Koreans want Japanese to do for Koreans to admit they have given apology?
I hope any Koreans’ll tell me the answer!!
4:29 pm August 18, 2012
IF ANYONE THINKS JAPAN APOLOGIZED FOR THEIR ACTIONS wrote:
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/03/05/the-politics-of-apology-for-japans-comfort-women/
They didn’t. Maybe some lefty admits the fact but most right wingers don’t.
They partially admit what they have done but not all of them.
If Japan really apologized for what it had done, why does Taiwanese demand Japan’s apology as well?
Some of them did but NOT AS A NATION.
Koreans DO NOT HATE ALL JAPANESE. Koreans ONLY HATE RIGHT WINGERS who DO NOT HAVE SHAME / MORALITY.
4:25 pm August 18, 2012
@ Anonymous wrote:
Yeah!!!!! nice comment for a Japanese who belongs to country that FORCED women into SEX SLAVERY.
GO JAPAN!
4:24 pm August 18, 2012
KNT wrote:
Japan is a democratic country. People choose the lawmakers and the lawmakers choose PM. So PM represents whole Japan. PM’s apology is Japan’s apology as a whole. That is what we call diplomacy.
Japan also apologized for so called comfort women.
http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/women/fund/state9308.html
4:23 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
＞＞＞3:23 pm August 18, 2012
Great Korea wrote:
We hate Jap.
Rape Jap!
>Wow! That commet is so Korean!
People, watch out for 9cm Korean rapists!
Poor Korean women, to have Korean rapists as partner.
Oh, wait…
Lately, Korean women are arrested all over the world, because of….
Hmmm…
4:22 pm August 18, 2012
@@KNT wrote:
That’s not reasonable comment though.
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/03/05/the-politics-of-apology-for-japans-comfort-women/
Here’s more recent news claiming that Japanese government refusing that they have forced korean women into sex slavery.
What’s this about? Japanese seems brainwashed as well or maybe just ignorant.
4:21 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
MY NAME IS CHRISTIAN CHANG. NICE TO MEET YOU
4:18 pm August 18, 2012
@ Anonymous wrote:
If you contain any bad words, I guess the blog doesn’t allow you to make a comment.
That’s my guess.
4:17 pm August 18, 2012
@ KNT wrote:
Yeah, he’s lefty. Most people who belongs to right wings don’t feel sorry about it at all.
The apology is not official Japanese apology. It’s that Prime Minister’s apology but not Japan as whole.
What Korea want is an official Japanese apology.
4:15 pm August 18, 2012
Lee wrote:
The pot calls the kettle black.
Troubles never come singly.
As one sows, so shall he reap.
The grass is greener on the other side of the fense.
Know thyself.(jaPan)
4:13 pm August 18, 2012
I DON'T HATE JAPAN wrote:
Please read all my posts before starting to comment. It will be divided into many posts. Sorry and thanks.
Korea was colonized by another country that did not care about its culture and the people etc…Instead, this country (Japan) only cared about how it can totally make Korea become a Japanese territory. Japan forced Koreans to become Japanese inside and out… yet Japan did not treat Koreans and Japanese equally (continued…)
4:11 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I TRY TO WRITE SOMETHING AND IT DOESNT LET ME WRITE… HMMM WHAT MAYBE THE PROBLEM?
4:10 pm August 18, 2012
@KNT wrote:
I’ll drink to that, KNT. But your reasonable comments may not make sense to Koreans.
That’s because they are nationalists. SK government has given them nationalism education to forge superficial unity like Japan’s imperial education under military controlled era during the WWII.
You can see them as the same with North Koreans, brainwashed by dictatorship.
4:10 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
TEST TEST
4:05 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Korea Best Japan Good too Everyone good
4:01 pm August 18, 2012
KNT wrote:
Japan is the only country that apologized for its colonial rule. This is a part of Prime Minister’s statement from 1995.
During a certain period in the not too distant past, Japan, following a mistaken national policy, advanced along the road to war, only to ensnare the Japanese people in a fateful crisis, and, through its colonial rule and aggression, caused tremendous damage and suffering to the people of many countries, particularly to those of Asian nations. In the hope that no such mistake be made in the future, I regard, in a spirit of humility, these irrefutable facts of history, and express here once again my feelings of deep remorse and state my heartfelt apology. Allow me also to express my feelings of profound mourning for all victims, both at home and abroad, of that history.
http://www.mofa.go.jp/announce/press/pm/murayama/9508.html
4:01 pm August 18, 2012
Japanese without any moral sense wrote:
http://pann.nate.com/talk/316570593
here are some photos of what Japanese have done to Koreans.
I bet not so many people can understand Korean (language), so disregard any words and look at the picture.
The first picture is showing skulls/ remains of all the people who were massacred by Japanese Government.
Good job japanese government for not admitting and not apologizing.
Frankly, I don’t particularly have hatred against normal Japanese, but I can’t just stand all Japanese right wings. They simply don’t know how to say sorry.
3:59 pm August 18, 2012
Alison wrote:
Dokdo is Korean territory.
If you have a brain, THINK!
Who can say Texas is not US territory? No one!
Should we return TX to Mexico?
Hell no because it’s US territory.
Then, why some uneducated stupid brainless people say Dokdo is jap’s?
Dokdo is definitely Korean territory.
Jap just wants to take the whole(Korea) before their islands sink.
3:55 pm August 18, 2012
american observer 2 @observer wrote:
WOW! Excellent self description for your self. That is real you as the pro – jap or crappy japanese. i will give my both hand to you for great explanation of real jap. Good job! you crappy idiot empty egg head trash..
3:54 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Hellllllllloooooooo???????Can’t write anything….
3:54 pm August 18, 2012
Japanese without any moral sense wrote:
Are Japanese who are commenting against Korean all sociopath or psychopath?
If you know what Japanese have done to Korean, you can’t put such an ugly comment.
I cannot believe how many Japanese are co uncivilized.
If you guys have some type of morality, you should admit what your ancestors have done not just ignore everything. Seriously, are you guys psychopath?
3:52 pm August 18, 2012
@ Anonymous wrote:
Yeah, you aren’t that different from cruel Korean. Same shit.
3:45 pm August 18, 2012
13yo_sex_slave wrote:
The Japanese should be shameful for the lack of action from their nation. There has yet to be any sort of apology or even remorse for the actions of their imperialist armies. The Nazis took their punishment, however inadequate it may have been in accordance to their crimes, apologized, and made restittutions for their war crimes. The Japanese have yet to make even an apology for their crimes. They refuse to even admit any of their actions going as far as to remove them from their history, despite countless first person testimonies and photographic evidence to their past. To even think that Dok-do is identified as theirs is preposterous. There is no history invoving Japan at this location. This island became the symbol for freedom from opression and injustice to the Korean people in 1945. The 2 residents of this island are Korean. The island is regularly patrolled by the Koreans. How is it even possible for Japan to claim this island? If you are Japanese, especially if you are young, please do proper research into your history and learn from the mistakes made by your ancestors. If further actions aren’t taken to make restitutions for your ancestors, your past will become yours and your descendants achhiles heel. We will not stop until this injustice is rectified.
3:39 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
“Great Korea: We hate Jap. Rape Jap!”
“KYUNG: worry about yourself you had nuclear waste in japan, and it will show up pretty soon.
probably that’s whay you are this way.”
잔인한 한국인 화병의 한국인 강간 정말 한국인
3:32 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
@3:30 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote
LOL to you too
3:30 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
>DO YOU KNOW?
YOU STILL DON’T HAVE NAME!!!
Says the Anonymous lol
3:28 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
KFA send e-mail;`I would cordially convey my regrets`
http://joongang.joinsmsn.com/article/254/9071254.html?ctg=
The Congress of South Korea have accused the president of KFA.
(violations FIFA rules)
http://joongang.joinsmsn.com/article/636/9079636.html?ctg=
3:28 pm August 18, 2012
KYUNG wrote:
@v3:18 pm August 18, 2012
Observer
worry about yourself you had nuclear waste in japan, and it will show up pretty soon.
probably that’s whay you are this way.
3:24 pm August 18, 2012
@KYUNG wrote:
I’ve know following news.
(written in Korean)
KFA send letter to JFA; ‘Unsporting activities’ ‘I would cordially convey my regrets’
http://joongang.joinsmsn.com/article/254/9071254.html?ctg=
The Congress of South Korea have accused KFA(violation FIFAs rule?).
http://joongang.joinsmsn.com/article/636/9079636.html?ctg=
3:23 pm August 18, 2012
Great Korea wrote:
We hate Jap.
Rape Jap!
3:19 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
한국인 : 자기도 같은 잘못을 했으면서 제 잘못은 제쳐 두고 남의 잘못만 나무란다
3:18 pm August 18, 2012
Observer wrote:
All I see here is a bunch of mold asses from kimchee peninsula are barking and whining over and over since their too much overdose of fresh human baby capsules and bloody dog meat. Those molds are now encroaching the land of white bread both the US and Canada. You will see their abnormal reproductive ability. Both countries will end up with full of those sub-humans until next decades.
3:18 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
자기도 한국인 : 같은 잘못을 했으면서 제 잘못은 제쳐 두고 남의 잘못만 나무란다
3:16 pm August 18, 2012
사돈 남 나무란다 wrote:
http://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EB%9D%BC%EC%9D%B4%EB%94%B0%EC%9D%B4%ED%95%9C
3:01 pm August 18, 2012
Human experiment wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
JAPANESE PLEASE READ AND LEARN WHAT YOUR ANCESTORS HAVE DONE.
IT SEEMS VERY IRONIC FOR JAPANESE TO CLAIM KOREAN HAVE HWA-BYEONG.
2:57 pm August 18, 2012
@Oh... Dear... wrote:
NO WONDER WHY KOREANS HATE JAPANESE.
2:56 pm August 18, 2012
@Oh... Dear... wrote:
GERMAN BANNED USING THE NAZI SYMBOL BY LAW WHILE JAPANESE HAPPILY USE RISING SUN FLAG FOR EVERYTHING AND EVERYWHERE.
SERIOUSLY, JAPANESE SHOW NO SHAME / REMORSE ON THE HORRIBLE ACTIONS THEY HAVE DONE.
2:52 pm August 18, 2012
@Oh... Dear... wrote:
Actually I agree with Oh… Dear…
But Koreans have reason to be mad at Japanese.
If Japanese Government does proper apology officially and internationally as Nazis were punished, Koreans will no longer have that serious grudge against Japanese:-D
YOU CAN’T JUST LOOK AT ONE FACT AND DISREGARD OTHER.
REMEMBER WHAT JAPANESE HAD DONE TO KOREANS.
IF YOU DON’T KNOW, THEN YOU ARE JUST IGNORANT.
2:44 pm August 18, 2012
Hmmm... wrote:
@ Oh… Dear….
spot on
2:43 pm August 18, 2012
KYUNG wrote:
2:36 pm August 18, 2012
Oh… Dear…. wrote
WHAT IS THIS?
PLEASE MAKE YOURSELF CLEAR!!!
JAPANESE HAVE THIS SYMPTOM, THATS’ WHY JAPANESE ARE UNRESONABLE…HEHEHEHEHE…..
2:38 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Talking about post-war process?
Read the English language version of
Treaty on Basic Relations between Japan and the Republic of Korea
2:36 pm August 18, 2012
Oh... Dear.... wrote:
Hey, have a look at this! Here’s everything!!
http://tinyurl.com/25gfr2m
You will know why he or she is unreasonable…hehehehe… : )
2:34 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
2:26 pm August 18, 2012
@Anonymous 2:05 wrote:
IT WAS 3 DAYS AGO.
WHAT IS OUT COME OF THIS?
DO YOU KNOW?
YOU STILL DON’T HAVE NAME!!!
2:31 pm August 18, 2012
jj lee wrote:
it is so crazy argue with this issue.
2:26 pm August 18, 2012
@Anonymous 2:05 wrote:
Olympics head views Park’s move as political
written by English
http://koreajoongangdaily.joinsmsn.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2957925
2:11 pm August 18, 2012
KYUNG wrote:
2:05 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
WHO ARE YOU KOREAN OR JAPANESE, IT WAS 4 DAYS AGO NEWS.
IF YOU ARE JAPANESE THANK YOU, YOU CAN READ KOREAN.
BUT I CANNOT READ JAPANESE.
PLEASE POST YOUR NAME, IF YOUR AER HUMAN BEING.
DON’T BE SHY.
2:10 pm August 18, 2012
@ Anonymous who commented to Tiffany wrote:
Yeah but other countries admit what they did wrong as well.
Japan has never apologized for what they have done to Korea.
Other countries, at least, fake the apology. Korea needs to see that from Japanese government.
Can Japanese Government pleeeease admit and apologize internationally that Japanese took NUMEROUS un-married Korean women to use as sex toys, ruined most of Korean’s artifacts including stealing many of them, did human experiment on Koreans and Chinese as Germans did to Jews.
Oh, by the way, give our money-King Ko’s money- back that Japanese took from German bank.
Just admit all the horrible things Japanese Government did to Koreans. If you so hate Koreans holding grudge against Japanese.
2:07 pm August 18, 2012
@Anonymous 2:05 wrote:
And
IOC said no problem with Japan flag.
2:06 pm August 18, 2012
KYUNG wrote:
2:00 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
YES, WE ARE KOREAN AND WE WILL GET WHAT IS RIGHTFULLY KOREANS.
THAT IS KOREAN’S POWER.
DID JOPANESE CELLPHONE COMPANY GET SUE BY APPLE, NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!!!
2:05 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The IOC had commented that it was a political performance.
written by Korean:
http://joongang.joinsmsn.com/article/459/9043459.html?ctg=
2:03 pm August 18, 2012
@ Anonymous wrote:
Yeah. Apple is suing all other cell phone companies using droid OS not just Samsung.
But I think your example just fits sooo perfectly with this situation just because Samsung is Korean company right?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Very funny. Very smart of you:)
2:03 pm August 18, 2012
KYUNG wrote:
1:48 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
.
WHAT IS JAPANS PROOF?
“Effect of The Treaty of Peace with Japan”, WHAT IS THIS PLEASE POST THIS ARTICLE.
WHY DO YOU THINK KOREANS HAVE NO PROOF?
THEN WHAT IS RIGHT HISTORY?
WHO IS LIVING IN DOKOD RIGHT NOW?
2:01 pm August 18, 2012
@ Anonymous wrote:
No, Treaty of Peace never mentions anything about Dok island.
Japanese are trying to manipulate some statements to prove that Dok island belongs to Japan but it never clearly states anything about Dok island.
Treaty of Peace says that Japan should give back all the land that it took from Korea including Jeju island blah blah.
Japanese are arguing that because the treaty of Peace doesn’t specify Dok island, Dok island should belong to Japan, which is non-sense.
2:00 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
>>>>KYUNG wrote:
IF JAPAN SUE KOREA FOR DOKDO KOREA HAVE TO ANSWER OR COUNTERSUE JAPAN.
KOREA CAN JUST STAY AS IT IS AND GET DISMISSED BY ICJ.
> Just like Samsung couter sue to Apple hah?
It is so Korean.
Quack! Quack! Quack!
1:58 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
@ Tiffany
>Japan doesnt know how to give thanks. When Japan suffered with tsunami and earthquakes in 2010, Korea DID help them with whatever they can help with. What do Korea get in return? Nothing, but hatred from Japan. Again.
We appreciate it that, but you must remember that No other countries/people brag of a good deed and doing right/common thing to a country where suffering from natural disaster except Korea/Koreans. Also, you should remember Korea was the only nation stopped giving donations to Japan due to the textbook issue, instead Korean Gov decided used all the monetary donations into maintaining those disputed islands.
Are you a person who always something in return of what you did? How pathetic you are.
1:55 pm August 18, 2012
Rising Sun Flag is Nazism wrote:
Japanes are still using the Rising Sun Flag which symbols human’s ugly thirst for conquest and imperialism in the Olympic.
If IOC and FIFA members really contribute for human peace, dont let Japanese swing a cruel flag int the Olymipic stadium and Football stadium anymore.
1:55 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
AFTER WWII, THINK THE STATE THAT KOREA WAS IN VS JAPANESE. Do you think that both Korea and Japan had equal power Internationally after WWII? You said that in Treaty of Peace, it clearly stated that “Takeshima” belonged to Japan? BUT when was that Treaty of Peace made? And was Korea there to agree with it? EVEN IF THEY WERE THERE, DID KOREA HAVE ANY POWER THEN TO SAY WHAT THEY WANT AND PUT THIER OPINION OUT? WHO WAS REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE OF KOREA? WAS THERE EVEN A KOREAN LEADER SET UP WHO REPRESENTED KOREA RIGHT AFTER JAPAN COLONIZED KOREA FOR 35 YEARS? Who’s right is it to decide that that Dokdo belongs to Japan? The UN? What caused the UN to decide such thing? Then if UN decides tomorrow, hmmm Hawaii belongs to Japan, then will it really belong to Japan from tomorrow onwards? It seems that Japan is desperate to make the island theirs and wanting to go to court about it as you said with “many proofs” but are those even true? how do you know if those “proofs” are true or not? And it seems that to Koreans, going to a court about something that is already theirs is outrageous so they are not even wanting to deal with such nonsense. I mean would you?
1:52 pm August 18, 2012
To the guy who said FILING A SUIT TO ICJ WOULD SOLVE THIS EASILY wrote:
FIRST, KYUNG, WELL SAID!!!!! TOTALLY AGREE YOU MAN!
And to that guy about filing a suit to ICJ, your gambling example is poorly done. Why does Korea have to gamble in the first place if they already have the million? I mean would YOU risk your million that you already have to keep that one million? SERIOUSLY MAN….
YOU said that what Kyung said isn’t that simple. To Me, it was that simple.
Kyung, love your statement, so I am reposting it here~ EXACTLY what I wanted to say!
“LET SAY IF SOMEONE COMES TO YOU AND SAID THAT YOUR HOUSE IS HIS OR HERS, WHAT DO YOU DO?
IF I WERE YOU I JUST IGNOR THAT.
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WHAT IS MINE IS MINE.
I DON’T HAVE TO PROVE TO ANYONE, BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOW AND IT IS WORTHLESS TO DEAL WITH.
IF YOU HAVE PROOF GO HEAD AND PROVE IT.
DON’T ASK KOREAN TO DEAL WITH THIS NON-SENSE.
KOREANS DON’T HAVE TIME FOR THIS WORTHLESS ARGUMENT”
BUT I am sure if Japan KEEPS on bothering Korea about the island, then I am sure that one day, Korea will say enough is enough and go to court to solve this nonsense. When Korea does though, I am sure that they will put grave consequence for Japan for arguing such nonsense and after ICJ confirm that Dokdo belongs to Korea, they will ask Japan to compensate for their actions.
1:51 pm August 18, 2012
@ Anonymous wrote:
If you really want to checkmate Korea, state your argument with real proof please?
How do you know the land originally belonged to Japanese?
1:48 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
＞＞＞@@@@@@KYUNG wrote:
Yeah, but the problem isn’t so simple.
Let’s say you are gambling.
You have a million dollars. If you don’t gamble you will still have a million and if you do gamble and win, you will still have a million or little more.
You have a great chance to win but there is 10% chance of losing. And if you lose, you will lose everything.
Then, what would you do?
Will you risk for a chance to lose everything when you have a chance to win tiny bit more?
It’s just not right if you think about it rationally.
That million doller is actually Yen and printed in Japan and stole from Japan on January 18, 1952.
Korean government knows if they bring case to the iCJ, they loose (Effect of The Treaty of Peace with Japan), however Korean people does not logically educate that fact of that island.
They believe that island is belongs to Korea, because Korean government educated false history.
There are no proof to Korean government to bring a case to ICJ…
Checkmate, Korea!
1:44 pm August 18, 2012
@Anonymous wrote:
NO… UNFAIR THINGS HAPPEN AND SOMETIMES YOU CAN’T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
Do you remember what happened to Iran?
The US claimed that there was a nuclear weapon or something and started invading Iran.
Although UN said there was no such thing, US ignored and started the battle.
It’s unfair but it does happen.
Remember prime mortgage? Rich people get richer and they do have control over politicians.
Even though Charles Ferguson gave speech at Harvard University and made a movie about it, things don’t change. Okay?
The world is not as sweet as you think.
1:38 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
That’s why I said to show the world as well. If ICJ is unfair, and you can proof to the world that it’s unfair.
Then the world will side with you, and then Japan cannot ges to war because it will not be able to justified to the world.
1:36 pm August 18, 2012
@ Anonymous wrote:
Nah. Japan won’t go to war against Korea.
NK going war against is more likely to happen than Japan going war against SK.
If if Japan starts war against Korea, it cannot be justified to the world.
But if the ICJ really decides the island is not Koreans,’ then it’s different.
At then, Japanese using force against Koreans will be justified.
The worlds will have a justifiable reason to back Japan.
Okay?
1:34 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
If the newspaper around the world does not fix anything, carrying a sign in Olympic will not either.
The former at least has a chance, the latter is a violation of the Chapter so put you in a bigger risk.
1:33 pm August 18, 2012
KYUNG wrote:
IF JAPAN SUE KOREA FOR DOKDO KOREA HAVE TO ANSWER OR COUNTERSUE JAPAN.
KOREA CAN JUST STAY AS IT IS AND GET DISMISSED BY ICJ.
1:31 pm August 18, 2012
@ Anonymous wrote:
Yeah, you can just keep being naive like that. Very cute.
Do you believe letters to newspaper can fix every unjust problem in the world?
Then, how can you explain what has happened in Rwanda?
People don’t give a crap unless it becomes their issues.
1:31 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Are you saying ICJ can physically push Korea out of occupying the island???
How?
See, the worst senerio right now is Japan and Korea goes into war. Which will happen if both decides to use force.
So ICJ side with Japan, and order Korea to leave. Korea says no. Japan physically try to enforce it and then there is war vs. Japan.
What’s the difference?
1:31 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
>When Japan suffered with tsunami and earthquakes in 2010, Korea DID help them with whatever they can help with. What do Korea get in return? Nothing, but hatred from Japan. Again.
If you’re giving donations for something in return then there’s something wrong with you.
1:28 pm August 18, 2012
@@@@@@KYUNG wrote:
NO. There’s a tiny chance that Korea might lose because Japan has advantage at ICJ.
And if we lose (even though it’s a teeny chance), we will lose the whole island.
I don’t think you’ve understood my metaphor clearly.
A million dollar is Dok island.
90% chance win and 10% chance lose.
If you win, you can keep the million dollar that you already have.
If you lose, you will lose the whole money.
As whatever you are betting on has greater value, you will be reluctant to gamble on it.
Because risk of losing the value outweighs gain, okay?
0.9 * 0 = represents what we will get from the lawsuit.
0.1 * a whole island = represents what we will lose from the lawsuit.
Even though we have higher probability to win, what we gain is relatively tooooo small to what we may lose.
1:27 pm August 18, 2012
KYUNG wrote:
WHAT I AM SAYING IS JAPAN WANTS KOREAN TO GAMBLE BUT WE DON’T HAVE TO.
RIGHT?
1:24 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
So if IOC already decide it is not an issue, so be it.
If you think IOC is not fair? Send to newspaper in every country (include China, who should be angry as well if that is true). If no one thinks that matters, then the world’s opinion is that it does not matter.
1:22 pm August 18, 2012
@@@@shocked wrote:
Didn’t I mention Koreans have already sent a letter to IOC?
We don’t just complain to Japan. We do it to IOC as well.
1:21 pm August 18, 2012
@@@@@KYUNG wrote:
Apparently Korea currently occupy that island, and going to ICJ will not change that anyway. What will you lose?
Japan will say the samething before and after ICJ anyway. It’s the world that counts.
1:21 pm August 18, 2012
KYUNG wrote:
KOREAN HAS POWER OVER DOKDO AND EVEN IF JAPAN WANT TO GO TO ICJ, IT IS REDICULOUS TO EVERYONE. WHY DO WE HAVE TO GO ICJ WITH THEM.
IT IS OURS ALREADY.
1:17 pm August 18, 2012
@@@@@@KYUNG wrote:
Yeah, but the problem isn’t so simple.
Let’s say you are gambling.
You have a million dollars. If you don’t gamble you will still have a million and if you do gamble and win, you will still have a million or little more.
You have a great chance to win but there is 10% chance of losing. And if you lose, you will lose everything.
Then, what would you do?
Will you risk for a chance to lose everything when you have a chance to win tiny bit more?
It’s just not right if you think about it rationally.
1:16 pm August 18, 2012
@@@shocked wrote:
Complain to IOC then, tell them that they’re biased and sent them proof. Complain to Japan won’t solve anything anyway. Send your information to newspaper around the world, If the world agrees with you, IOC has to admit that they’re wrong.
1:16 pm August 18, 2012
KYUNG wrote:
12:45 pm August 18, 2012
KYUNG wrote:
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12:23 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
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>>After WWII, Korea got back Dok island and Ulleung island.
Proof me. If Korea have leigal documents to proof, bring it to ICJ ( International Court of Justice).
Japanese government is asking Korea to bring this matter to ICJ.
Japan have many proofs, that island belong to Japan.
After WWII, Korea requested United Nations to exclude Takeshima from Japanese territory.
United Nations denied because Takeshima had never claimed territorial right and never belonged by Korea.
In the Treaty of Peace, it clearly stated that Takeshima belongs to Japan.
Filing a suit to ICJ would solve this problem easily.
LET SAY IF SOMEONE COMES TO YOU AND SAID THAT YOUR HOUSE IS HIS OR HERS, WHAT DO YOU DO?
IF I WERE YOU I JUST IGNOR THAT.
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WHAT IS MINE IS MINE.
I DON’T HAVE TO PROVE TO ANYONE, BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOW AND IT IS WORTHLESS TO DEAL WITH.
IF YOU HAVE PROOF GO HEAD AND PROVE IT.
DON’T ASK KOREAN TO DEAL WITH THIS NON-SENSE.
KOREANS DON’T HAVE TIME FOR THIS WORTHLESS ARGUMENT, BUT KOREANS BUSY WITH CREATING TECHNOLOGY #1 IN THE WORLD!!!
I REPLY TO THIS.
IF YOU ARE SOMEONE PLEASE PUT YOUR NAME.
anonymous IS NO ONE.
PLEASE BE HUMAN BEING WHO HAS NAME.
1:14 pm August 18, 2012
@KYUNG wrote:
Japan try to make S. Korea looks bad, that they’re trying to tell the world the only reason Korean gov’t refuses to go to ICJ, is because they know they’ll lose because they have no proof.
Korea has to counter that, not by refusal (which only supports Japan’s statement), but by going there together. Whether they accept ICJ’s decision, that’s a totally different issue.
1:13 pm August 18, 2012
@@shocked wrote:
Yeah, but I’m just saying that IOC is biased.
If Japanese are allow to use the flag uniforms because they don’t think it’s political issue, then Koreans should also be allowed to say whatever they want over Dok island issues as long as we don’t think it’s political matter.
It’s just discrimination to say one is, and one’s not.
1:12 pm August 18, 2012
@@ anonymous wrote:
What are you talking about?
Who said you’ve mentioned ICJ?
If I mentioned ICJ to you, then I’m probably confused because of @@@@@kyung’s comments.
1:11 pm August 18, 2012
KYUNG wrote:
IF JAPAN GO TO ICJ, DO KOREAN HAVE TO REPOND?
JAPAN SAY THAT LET’S GO TOGETHER, NOT JAPAN WILL GO THEMSELF.
THIS MEANS THAT IF KOREA IS NOT RESPOND IT WILL NOT WORK RIGHT?
PLEASE EXPLAIN PROCESS.
1:08 pm August 18, 2012
@ anonymous 1:06 pm wrote:
It’s IOC. I. O. C.
Where in the post do I mention ICJ????? Where?
1:07 pm August 18, 2012
@ shocked wrote:
Tell IOC to investigate them, then. This board has nothing to do with Japan gymnast’s uniform anyway.
1:06 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
12:59 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
.
Park = Olympic
Park Police = IOC
Law against disturbing peace = law against politic message
I hope that makes it clear.
YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT GOING TO ICJ.
IT WASN’T ABOUT OLYMPIC.
AM I RIGHT?
1:06 pm August 18, 2012
@@@@@KYUNG wrote:
Even if ICJ side with Japan, it is back to square one.
Both Japan and Korea already claims that they are correct, which is not going to be changed by ICJ anyway.
At least, you can show the world the fact. Because you can show them all the proof you have, and if ICJ is unfair, you send all information to the world, the world will side with you. That’s what you want, right?
1:03 pm August 18, 2012
SHOCKED wrote:
Hey Guys, have you seen Japanese gymnasts’ uniforms?
I can’t even say a word. What were they thinking? It is time to discuss that issue as well as Korean soccer player. Or even worse. I know that Korean player ‘s action wasn’t planned at all, but it is so obvious that those uniforms have been throughly planned with the approval of Japanese Olympic Committee. What were they thinking? Does anybody have smart and clear answers for my questions? PLEASE REPLY ASAP….
1:03 pm August 18, 2012
@@@@Kyung wrote:
I’m really getting annoyed here. I wrote a long comment about the Dok island issue and it just deleted all. Damn.
1:02 pm August 18, 2012
@@@@ KYUNG wrote:
1st of all, as I mentioned, it is not fair.
We already have the control over Dok island currently. But why do we have to risk (even for a tiny bit)?
Japan and Korea have really different position.
If Japan goes to ICJ and lose, Japan have nothing to lose anyways because Dok island is under Korea’s control now.
If Japan goes to ICJ and win, it’s a really great deal for Japan.
On the other hand, if Korea goes to ICJ and win, we don’t gain as much since we already have control over Dok island.
if Korea goes to ICJ and lose, we lose a lot including great deal of naval territory.
So it’s really sweet for Japanese to bring Dok island issue to ICJ but not to Koreans.
1:00 pm August 18, 2012
@ Jamie Lee wrote:
And why are Japan being upset has anything to do with IOC’s decision?
12:59 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Park = Olympic
Park Police = IOC
Law against disturbing peace = law against politic message
I hope that makes it clear.
12:58 pm August 18, 2012
Jamie Lee wrote:
He was just showed the true statment in Korean and why Japaniese so upset? This is not a political statement at all, this is the truth. There is no argument. Were Japaniese so upset because the statement is in Korean? What’s wrong with this statement?again, this is the truth.
12:56 pm August 18, 2012
KYUNG wrote:
12:49 pm August 18, 2012
@ KYUNG wrote:
.
Yes, you should ignore it, and there should be no need to go to a park, several thousand miles away and yell in front of other people that “that’s my house”? Who cares? That’s why the park police right now is investiging you for disturbing public peace, because that park has a law prohibit it.
I AM SORRY I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAYING.
PLEASE EXPLAIN.
I THNK YOU UNDERSTAND MY OPINION, BUT I CANNOT UNDERSTAND YOURS.
12:56 pm August 18, 2012
@@@ KYUNG wrote:
The trial may not be fair, but as long as it is published internationally, the world’s opinion will support whoever is right.
Why avoid it? It’s in dispute right now anyway.
12:54 pm August 18, 2012
@@ KYUNG wrote:
And Korea has no ICJ judge. The trial can’t be fair anyways.
Japanese doesn’t bring an issue about Jook Island because they are having a power over the island.
They only bring Dok island as an issue because Koreans have power over it.
Also, Japanese rejects all the ICJ matters when they come to northern islands -Russia is trying to have a trial over northern islands but Japanese are refusing to have the trial-.
Japanese don’t want to go to ICJ against Russians because they don’t have any advantage.
Koreans are rejecting the trial because we know it won’t be fair to us.
If that advantage/disadvantage matter clears out, then Korean will agree to go to ICJ.
12:49 pm August 18, 2012
@@@@@@ anonymous wrote:
Okay then ignore IOC. But what about FIFA’s position?
12:49 pm August 18, 2012
@ KYUNG wrote:
Yes, you should ignore it, and there should be no need to go to a park, several thousand miles away and yell in front of other people that “that’s my house”? Who cares? That’s why the park police right now is investiging you for disturbing public peace, because that park has a law prohibit it.
12:45 pm August 18, 2012
KYUNG wrote:
12:23 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
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>>After WWII, Korea got back Dok island and Ulleung island.
Proof me. If Korea have leigal documents to proof, bring it to ICJ ( International Court of Justice).
Japanese government is asking Korea to bring this matter to ICJ.
Japan have many proofs, that island belong to Japan.
After WWII, Korea requested United Nations to exclude Takeshima from Japanese territory.
United Nations denied because Takeshima had never claimed territorial right and never belonged by Korea.
In the Treaty of Peace, it clearly stated that Takeshima belongs to Japan.
Filing a suit to ICJ would solve this problem easily.
LET SAY IF SOMEONE COMES TO YOU AND SAID THAT YOUR HOUSE IS HIS OR HERS, WHAT DO YOU DO?
IF I WERE YOU I JUST IGNOR THAT.
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WHAT IS MINE IS MINE.
I DON’T HAVE TO PROVE TO ANYONE, BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOW AND IT IS WORTHLESS TO DEAL WITH.
IF YOU HAVE PROOF GO HEAD AND PROVE IT.
DON’T ASK KOREAN TO DEAL WITH THIS NON-SENSE.
KOREANS DON’T HAVE TIME FOR THIS WORTHLESS ARGUMENT, BUT KOREANS BUSY WITH CREATING TECHNOLOGY #1 IN THE WORLD!!!
12:38 pm August 18, 2012
@@@@@ anonymous wrote:
Because he violates Olympic chapter, which has nothing to do with World cup.
12:36 pm August 18, 2012
@@@@@ anonymous wrote:
BTW Koreans have already sent a letter stating that it is discrimination to ban Koreans while IOC let Japanese to wear the flag uniform. But apparently, then don’t give a damn.
Also, Korea was allowed to use a flag including Dok island in 2002 World Cup. Why is this an issue now but not back then?
12:35 pm August 18, 2012
@@@@@ anonymous wrote:
BTW Koreans have already sent a letter stating that it is discrimination to ban Koreans while IOC let Japanese to wear the flag uniform. But apparently, then don’t give a shit.
Also, Korea was allowed to use a flag including Dok island in 2002 World Cup. Why is this an issue now but not back then?
12:33 pm August 18, 2012
@@@@@ anonymous wrote:
BTW, Koreans already claimed it is discrimination to let Japanese use that flag when Koreans can’t claim Dok island as Korean territory. But apparently, they don’t give a shit about it. And Koreans were allowed to use a flag including Dok island in 2002 World Cup. Why is this an issue now but not back then?
12:23 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
>>After WWII, Korea got back Dok island and Ulleung island.
Proof me. If Korea have leigal documents to proof, bring it to ICJ ( International Court of Justice).
Japanese government is asking Korea to bring this matter to ICJ.
Japan have many proofs, that island belong to Japan.
After WWII, Korea requested United Nations to exclude Takeshima from Japanese territory.
United Nations denied because Takeshima had never claimed territorial right and never belonged by Korea.
In the Treaty of Peace, it clearly stated that Takeshima belongs to Japan.
Filing a suit to ICJ would solve this problem easily.
12:19 pm August 18, 2012
@@@@ anonymous wrote:
So IOC is neither Fair nor Just. Then complain to IOC directly! Send that to every newspaper in every country.
If that is the fact, the world will support you. Go for it.
12:19 pm August 18, 2012
KYUNG wrote:
12:04 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
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KATHY LEE、
At least, IOC thinks that Korean performance was political propaganda wich is prohibited.
That is why, IOC did not give a medal to a Korean player. IOC made that decision.
This matter is not Japan vs Korea. This is the matter of IOC / FIFA vs Korea.
Let’s see what FIFA is going to treat this matter.
I can not wait to hear from them.
ARE YOU SURE IOC MADE DECISION ANOUT THIS ISSUE?
I UNDERSTAN THAT IOC MADE ISSUE OUT OF THIS BUT I DIDN’T SEE THAT IOC MADE DECISION!!!
LET ME KNOW WHERE I CAN SEE THAT.
12:18 pm August 18, 2012
@ Tiffany wrote:
And hos is Japan’s jealousy affect IOC’s decision?
12:18 pm August 18, 2012
@@@ anonymous wrote:
Yeah like they care what I say because they are fair and just.
They will side with countries that have more power over countries that aren’t.
And do you really think they will care what Korean citizens say over Japanese government?
12:16 pm August 18, 2012
@2014 FIFA World Cup Brazil wrote:
Any explanation why it is not at the FIFA’s Official site?
12:16 pm August 18, 2012
Tiffany wrote:
Okay, Japan needs to back off with under-treating Korea. It’s just terrible how they treat them!! It’s NOT acceptable. Japan doesnt know how to give thanks. When Japan suffered with tsunami and earthquakes in 2010, Korea DID help them with whatever they can help with. What do Korea get in return? Nothing, but hatred from Japan. Again.
Park Jong-Woo needs to receive his medal! It might be a different story if he didn’t run any of the games. But, he did. He helped Korean Team with winning. Going beyond what is necessary and doing terrible, horrible things to Korea just seems like Japan is jealous of Korea’s first Bronze medal in Soccer and their ranking in final Olympics Rank.
12:15 pm August 18, 2012
2014 FIFA World Cup Brazil wrote:
South Koreans are glad to see FIFA finally understand DOKDO belongs to Korea and decide to change the symbol of 2014 FIFA World Cup Brazil for DOKDO.
2014 FIFA World Cup Brazil for DOKDO:
http://i45.tinypic.com/2ufpv2p.jpg
12:12 pm August 18, 2012
@@ Anonymous wrote:
Have IOC investigate them all, if you have any issue. And punish them all if there is any violation.
No exception.
12:11 pm August 18, 2012
@@ anonymous wrote:
prop·a·gan·da [prop-uh-gan-duh]
noun
1.
information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
12:11 pm August 18, 2012
@Anonymous wrote:
And if Dok island is a political issue, I think Japanese gymnastic athletes should all be banned as well.
Their uniform represented the flag which has been used in WWII (representing Japanese Imperialist).
How come Nazi can’t use the symbol when Japanese CAN ?
12:10 pm August 18, 2012
michele wrote:
someday nature will punsh japan.
12:07 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The Olympic does not care Korean perception, but international perception. Even every single Korean agree that it’s not political, as long as the majority of international opinions believe it’s politic, then it’s politic. (Exclude Japan’s opinion, if you want)
12:07 pm August 18, 2012
@Anonymous wrote:
Can you watch your language please?
Because propaganda implies that what Park had said is a lie or exaggeration.
12:04 pm August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
KATHY LEE、
At least, IOC thinks that Korean performance was political propaganda wich is prohibited.
That is why, IOC did not give a medal to a Korean player. IOC made that decision.
This matter is not Japan vs Korea. This is the matter of IOC / FIFA vs Korea.
Let’s see what FIFA is going to treat this matter.
I can not wait to hear from them.
12:04 pm August 18, 2012
jenny wrote:
japan government need to be come down. they are always try to stired the peace. never happy try to fight always
12:03 pm August 18, 2012
@ Anonymous wrote:
Yes, it became a political issue because Japanese intended to do so.
After WWII, Korea got back Dok island and Ulleung island.
In 1699, Japan had a map showing that Dok island is part of Korean territory.
1876 Japan decided to take Dok island and Ulleung island out of its territory.
But in 1904, Japan wanted to capture seal and thought it will be helpful to have bigger naval territory.
So they started to claiming Dok and Ulleung. And in 1905, Japan took those islands from Korea.
After the war, US decided both islands belong to Korea and those islands became Korean territory.
This is very clear facts.
japanese are trying to make Dok issue political because they know they have more power internationally.
They have better economic status and naval force, and many countries will side with Japan than with Korea.
SO IF THEY CAN SUCCESSFULLY MAKE DOK ISSUE INTERNATIONAL, THEY HAVE SOME CHANCE TO STEAL FROM KOREANS.
I don’t think Koreans should feel Dok island as political issues.
Koreans simply think Dok island is Korean territory PERIOD. IT MAY LOOK POLITICAL ISSUES TO OUTSIDERS, BUT KOREANS CANT STAND THE FACT THAT DOK ISSUE IS BECOMING INTERNATIONALLY POLITICAL ISSUE.
12:00 pm August 18, 2012
jenny wrote:
he did not plan this just happen, but japan plan this
11:58 am August 18, 2012
jenny wrote:
japanese are thift
11:57 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
American will act, but not at Olympic
11:56 am August 18, 2012
jenny wrote:
if japan wants take new york , how american will act? think about it
11:49 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
BTW, how do you get into this page at WSJ?
Don’t you realize that the location of this poll is under Politic?
How about send a letter to WSJ first, making sure that they don’t put it under Politic, and do the same thing to every news site around the world?
If all news site around the world agreed that it should not be located in “politic”, only then it proves that his action is not politic.
11:48 am August 18, 2012
@ALPHA wrote:
Do you have any evidence that proves your argument is true?
How do you know Dok island originally belonged to Japanese?
Is it just because Japanese say so?
11:44 am August 18, 2012
whyISITWRONG wrote:
From Shinra Dynasty, Dok Island has been Koreans.’
After Japan seized Korea under its sovereignty, Japan stole everything from Korea (from human-beings to important artifacts).
When Pacific War ended, US gave back Dok island and Ulleung island to Korea.
Although Japanese successfully stole Daema island.
TELL ME WHY DOK ISLAND SHOULD BE POLITICAL ISSUE, WHEN THE FACTS TELL US THAT DOK ISLAND IS KOREAN TERRITORY?
ACTUALLY JAPANESE SHOULD GIVE BACK DAE-MA ISLAND AS WELL.
11:42 am August 18, 2012
alpha wrote:
NO MEDALS for KOREAN SOCCER TEAM and ban Korean from international games for ever.
11:39 am August 18, 2012
alpha wrote:
He appealed Dokdo island, which illegally occupied by korean.
The island is named Takeshima by Japanese, because originally belong to Japan.
After WW2 Japanese lost all forces, then Koreans arrested over 2000 Japanese fishermens, 4 killed by them.
So the island Takeshima / Dokdo surfaced as political issue between Japan and Korea.
Many of Koreans Appealed many place and occasions. The action which he made is political issue, no doubt.
11:32 am August 18, 2012
HYUNDAI MOTOR wrote:
Koreans are proud to see HYUNDAI MOTOR, a Korean company, release a special version of SONATA hybrid.
HYUNDAI SANATA hybrid DOKDO model:
http://i47.tinypic.com/2ztk2kk.jpg
11:27 am August 18, 2012
KATHY LEE wrote:
11:11 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
.Every Olympian should know and follow Charter.
In Olympic Charter page 91 says:
“No kind of demonstration or political, religious or racial propaganda is permitted in
any Olympic sites, venues or other areas.”
Not only Korea player, but also team coach violated Olympic Charter.
EXPLAIN WHY THIS IS POLITICAL?
11:24 am August 18, 2012
KATHY LEE wrote:
KOREAN LIVE IN DOKDO, KOREAN VISIT DOKDO WITHOUT ANY DOCUMENTATIONFORM GOVERNMENT, EVEN DOGS IN DOKDO SPEAKS KOREAN, WHO’S LAND IS DOKDO?
ANSWER, DOKDO IS KOREA’S LAND.
SO KOREANS SAID THAT DOKOD IS OUR LAND, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT.
WE WROTE IN KOREAN LANGUAGE SO THAT ALL OVER THE WORLD WHO IS KOREAN CAN SEE.
IT WASNOT IN ENGLISH NOR JAPANESE.
11:19 am August 18, 2012
WHYISITWRONG wrote:
WHY IS IT WRONG?
Is it politically incorrect to claim Seoul is Korean land?
Of course not.
Then, why is it a political statement to claim Dok island is Koreans’?
Because Dok island is Korean territory, simply claiming Dok island is part of Korean territory should not be considered POLITICAL STATEMENT.
11:16 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I just realized my crappy grammar so I’m trying to correct some parts that I’ve noticed.
Just shut up if you guys don’t know anything.
FIRST OF ALL, IT IS FAIR FOR KOREANS TO HATE JAPANESE. Japanese did the same actions to Koreans as Germans did to Jews. They took Korean women against their wills to make them as prostitutes for soldiers, had human experiment on Chinese, Korean, and even some of Russians. Japanese STOLE most of KOREAN ARTIFACTS, and never returned them. EVEN AFTER THEY DID ALL THESE, THEY HAVE NEVER APOLOGIZED for their actions. AND NOW THEY ARE CLAIMING DOK ISLAND ALL OF SUDDEN.
JAPAN agreed to settle by STEALING DAE-MA island from Korea and let Korea keep DOK-island. But all of sudden, they are claiming Dok island as well. WHY SHOULD KOREAN STOP HATING JAPANESE IF JAPANESE DO NOT APOLOGIZE, DO NOT GIVE BACK WHAT THEY TOOK FROM KOREA, DO NOT REGRET UPON THEIR ACTIONS, AND STILL TRY TO STEAL THINGS FROM KOREANS?
SECOND OF ALL, WHY IS KOREAN CLAIMING DOK ISLAND POLITICALLY INCORRECT? Since Japan agreed to settle for Dae-Ma island, they should stop making fuss about Dok island. Is it really wrong to claim Koreans’ is Koreans’? I mean is it POLITICALLY INCORRECT FOR US ATHLETES TO CLAIM THAT “CALIFORNIA IS MY HOME”? No, it’s not. Then, WHY IS IT WRONG TO SAY, “DOK ISLAND IS KOREANS’?”
It is already Koreans’ ANYWAYS.
If this is politically incorrect, then NO ATHLETES SHOULD MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR COUNTRY.
BY THE WAY, I bet everyone in the US just LOVE ALL THE EXTREME MUSLIMS DESPITE, right?
I bet all the JEWS should LOOOOOVE Germans.
I bet all the PAKISTANIS LOOOOOOVE ISRAELI, right?
11:11 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Every Olympian should know and follow Charter.
In Olympic Charter page 91 says:
“No kind of demonstration or political, religious or racial propaganda is permitted in
any Olympic sites, venues or other areas.”
Not only Korea player, but also team coach violated Olympic Charter.
11:08 am August 18, 2012
MYCRAPPYGRAMMAR wrote:
I just realized my crappy grammar so I’m trying to correct some parts that I’ve noticed.
Just shut up if you guys don’t know anything.
FIRST OF ALL, IT IS FAIR FOR KOREANS TO HATE JAPANESE. Japanese did the same actions to Koreans as Germans did to Jews. They took Korean women against their wills to make them as prostitutes for soldiers, had human experiment on Chinese, Korean, and even some of Russians. Japanese STOLE most of KOREAN ARTIFACTS, and never returned them. EVEN AFTER THEY DID ALL THESE, THEY HAVE NEVER APOLOGIZED for their actions. AND NOW THEY ARE CLAIMING DOK ISLAND ALL OF SUDDEN.
JAPAN agreed to settle by STEALING DAE-MA island from Korea and let Korea keep DOK-island. But all of sudden, they are claiming Dok island as well. WHY SHOULD KOREAN STOP HATING JAPANESE IF JAPANESE DO NOT APOLOGIZE, DO NOT GIVE BACK WHAT THEY TOOK FROM KOREA, DO NOT REGRET UPON THEIR ACTIONS, AND STILL TRY TO STEAL THINGS FROM KOREANS?
SECOND OF ALL, WHY IS KOREAN CLAIMING DOK ISLAND POLITICALLY INCORRECT? Since Japan agreed to settle for Dae-Ma island, they should stop making fuss about Dok island. Is it really wrong to claim Koreans’ is Koreans’? I mean is it POLITICALLY INCORRECT FOR US ATHLETES TO CLAIM THAT “CALIFORNIA IS MY HOME”? No, it’s not. Then, WHY IS IT WRONG TO SAY, “DOK ISLAND IS KOREANS’?”
It is already Koreans’ ANYWAYS.
If this is politically incorrect, then NO ATHLETES SHOULD MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR COUNTRY.
11:04 am August 18, 2012
STOP wrote:
Just shut up if you guys don’t know anything.
FIRST OF ALL, IT IS FAIR FOR KOREANS TO HATE JAPANESE. Japanese did the same actions to Koreans as Germans did to Jews. They took Korean women against their wills to make them as a prostitute for soldiers, had human experiment to Chinese, Korean, and even some of Russians. Japanese STOLE most of KOREAN ARTIFACTS, and never returned them. EVEN AFTER THEY DID ALL THESE, THEY HAVE NEVER APOLOGIZED for their actions. AND NOW THEY ARE CLAIMING DOK ISLAND WITHOUT ANY SAME.
JAPAN agreed to STEAL DAE-MA island from Korea and let Korea keep DOK-island. But all of sudden, they are claiming Dok island as well. WHY SHOULD KOREAN STOP HATING JAPANESE IF JAPANESE DO NOT APOLOGIZE, DO NOT GIVE BACK WHAT THEY TOOK FROM KOREA, DO NOT REGRET UPON THEIR ACTIONS, AND STILL TRY TO STEAL THINGS FROM KOREANS?
SECOND OF ALL, WHY IS KOREAN CLAIMING DOK ISLAND POLITICALLY INCORRECT? Since Japan agreed to settle for Dae-Ma island, they should stop making fuss about Dok island. Is it really wrong to claim Koreans’ is Koreans’? I mean is it POLITICALLY INCORRECT FOR US ATHLETES TO CLAIM THAT “CALIFORNIA IS MY HOME”? No, it’s not. Then, WHY IS IT WRONG TO SAY, “DOK ISLAND IS KOREANS’?”
It is already Koreans’ ANYWAYS.
If this is politically incorrect, then NO ATHLETES SHOULD MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR COUNTRY.
10:57 am August 18, 2012
KATHY LEE wrote:
9:31 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
.http://logtters.jp/i/474/
If you take a look at this page, you will find out it’s NOT totally Mr. Park’s fault. It’s a Korean gvmt educating their own people to hate Jpn since when they are very young. What kind of country would do that to their future (children)? Reaction of “normal” parent’s would be “oh, my god! I don’t want my kids to grow up hating someone.” But, Korean people wouldn’t think so. Even if they do, they cannot express that in public because if they do they will be called “trader” & cannot walk on the street. So, it’s NOT totally his fault. He is more like a victim per say….
THEN WHY JAPANESE DO THIS!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxGrlg0L4FQ
EXPLAIN.
JAPANESE AER BORN WITH HATE KOREAN!!!!
IF YOU DIDN’T LEARN!!!!
10:50 am August 18, 2012
Olympic wrote:
Lack of respect toward Olympic. What makes Olympic brilliant is pure spirit on sports.
Nobody can cross this line, otherwise we have to give up to hold this wonderful event.
In view of this sence, there is needs of giving him penalty, or at least strong message to KOC.
10:10 am August 18, 2012
OlympicSpirit wrote:
Simply put, for the sake of true lovers of sports and the Olympic Spirit, let the Olympians make their claim in sports, not politics. Otherwise we will open Pandora’s box.
9:44 am August 18, 2012
@ Anonymous wrote:
That’s right, so fight in Asian cup, skip Olympic. Olympic rules does not care what happen in the politic.
9:35 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
can you Remember the World War II? All conflicts and hates within Asia have resulted from Japan invaded to Asia in the World War II. Germany has settled the problems with Europe for many years. But Japan HAS NOT. America and Europe have not known about the World War II in Asia. They know only about their World War II with Germany. Especially young Japan people never know about their invasion to Asia. Study history and then think from your conscience.
9:31 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
http://logtters.jp/i/474/
If you take a look at this page, you will find out it’s NOT totally Mr. Park’s fault. It’s a Korean gvmt educating their own people to hate Jpn since when they are very young. What kind of country would do that to their future (children)? Reaction of “normal” parent’s would be “oh, my god! I don’t want my kids to grow up hating someone.” But, Korean people wouldn’t think so. Even if they do, they cannot express that in public because if they do they will be called “trader” & cannot walk on the street. So, it’s NOT totally his fault. He is more like a victim per say….
8:35 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
IF I SAY THAT WHOEVER FROM NOW ON WRITE HATING WORDS; WHETHER YOU ARE JAPANESE OR KOREAN ARE GONNA GET CURSED, WOULD PEOPLE STOP WRITING HATING WORDS? I HOPE PEOPLE DO STOP
8:32 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
8:08 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I bet if a Korean gets a parking ticket they will blame it on the Japanese too.
Hey Anonymous 8:08!!! Stop hating!!! Start Loving!!! WHAT’S WRONG WITH YOU!!! STOP CAUSING KOREANS TO HATE JAPANESE AND VICE VERSA!!!!
8:30 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
LOL this is so funny!! Awwww this “question” guy is getting confused… so cute*
8:14 am August 18, 2012
KATHY LEE-1 wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
.I bet if a Korean gets a parking ticket they will blame it on the Japanese too
IF THIS HAPPEN IN KOREAN VS ENGLAND, THIS ISSUE CAME UP???
BECAUSE KOREAN WON 2-0 TO JAPAN, JAPANESE MAKE THIS ISSUE!!!
NOW WHO BLAIM WHO?????
AND OBVIOSLY ALL JAPANESE CAN READ KOREAN, HAHA.
YOU LAERN FROM PRESCHOOL???
BY THE WAY I AM KOREAN I DON’T KNOW JAPANESE.
8:14 am August 18, 2012
question wrote:
Can someone clarify whether the Kathy Kee-1 7:49 am August 18, 2012 and Kathy Lee-1 8:10 am August 18, 2012 are the same person? I’m very confused now.
And, I never claimed Kathy Lee used cursing word either. Please read 7:47 am August 18, 2012
8:10 am August 18, 2012
KATHY LEE-1 wrote:
7:13 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
.Apparently there are multiple Kathy Lee here, are you sharing the same name?
I’m not asking for you to predict what’ll happen in the future. I don’t know either how many Japanese will hold a sign on Takeshima in Winter Olympic. I am asking how many S. Korean “here”, in this board, will not complain if the same thing happened to them.
For example, JH 6:47, the answer will be yes, he’ll complain. So it’s actually countable. If you has difficulty to comprehend English. That’s fine, just say it. Anything other than what answers the question is avoiding the question. An extreme answer such as “no one will complain” or “everyone will complain” is fine, too. You deserve your opinion. If you don’t want to answer, that is OK. Take away your word that “S. Korean dare to answer”, that’s it. Don’t change the subject. You can comment that my question is stupid, that’s fine too. But there is still no S. Korean dare to answer.
As for all the insulting language, cursing words make your country look worse, not better. You only prove how bad your behavior is. Remember this is international board discussion. You get what you deserve from the world. If you shows no respect, you get not respect from others. Fair is fair.
I NEVER USED CURSING WORDS, LET ME KNOW WHERE OR COPY AND PASTE.
YOUR QUESTION IS HOW MANY? NOT I WILL ACT OR NOT?
I THINK YOUR QUESTION IS WRONG!!!
AND THAT IS NOT THE POINT HERE.
PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHEN DID I USED CURING WORDS.
AS YOU SAID THIS IS “international board discussion” AND I LIKE TO CLEAR MYSELF TO EVERYONE IN HERE.
MAKE YOU QUESTION CLEAR SO ANYONE CAN ANSWER!!!
FOR EVEN ELEMNANTRY KID CAN UNDERSTAND.
LANGUAGES FOR UNDERSTANING NOT SHOW OFF THAT YOU ARE BETTER IN ENGLISH.
THIS IS FOR EVERYONE CAN COME AND READ AND POST, IF YOU WANT SHOW OFF GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
8:08 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I bet if a Korean gets a parking ticket they will blame it on the Japanese too.
8:06 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
S Korea’s opinion is not always the World Standard. The guys saying that it is not apalitical message should realize that.
8:02 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The answer is yes. If someone says Hawaii belongs to USA, it is also politic. I don’t want to see those nonsense in Olympic, and IOC should punish it, although I am American.
I see similar comments from Canadian and other Western countries, so you know that people are willing to punish players of their own countries to maintain Olympic Spirit. So, if that happens, you’re welcome to inform IOC to investigate that player. I’ll certainly do it as well.
8:00 am August 18, 2012
AnimalLover wrote:
My friend told me about the symbols of Illuminati and how it was incorporated in the Olympic so much this year! Like those triangle structure around the stadium with the light coming out from the top or sthg. And Seriously, what’s with the mascots for Olympic this year…. one eyed alien???Is there a meaning behind the “one-eye??” Give me a break!! Why not put another eye and make it have two eyes so it will be normal & cute mascot??? PLUS referees SUCKED this year!! Overall, I give this Olympic a 2/10 because Athletes in general were pretty good! Usain Bolt made me cry!!!! Soooo good!!!
7:58 am August 18, 2012
Andrew Y. wrote:
If someone says Hawaii belongs to USA, is this considered as political statement?
The message Park was carrying only says the island belong Korea, which had been for hundreds years in Korean language. Why is this a political message?
IOC itself is much more political than anything else through this olympic and ones before.
7:53 am August 18, 2012
@ Kathy Lee & whoever may concern wrote:
And thank you for answering.
The sign appears to something very important to S. Korean, and I respect that. If any of you is able to find a way to stop all future messages, could you propose to IOC? Then there is no need to give Mr. Park additional penalty whatsoever.
7:52 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Do I feel better now? Sure Why not? Just drank an ice coffee made by my special lady. As with this issue, it’s useless to talk about cuz I am not one of those high people up in society who can decide on anything. If I was part of Illuminati and worshiped Satan then maybe I could~ BUT then I have to sell my soul and I don’t want to do that no matter how much money they give me so yeah, Anonymous 7:47am, nice talking to you gonna leave this site for you all to talk about~pceout
7:51 am August 18, 2012
MittRomney wrote:
What is this horse sh’t? Japan lost the game. Deal with it! Give the player his well earned medal.
7:49 am August 18, 2012
Pete wrote:
Wow, reading through this all is kind of nostalgic and fun (but disgusting and sad too). It reminds me of the early days of the internet when people didn’t know how to deal with trolls yet.
I’m surprised there’s zero comment moderation on the WSJ to keep things on topic or at least civil. The discourse here is possibly worse than Youtube comments.
7:49 am August 18, 2012
KATHY LEE-1 wrote:
7:13 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
.Apparently there are multiple Kathy Lee here, are you sharing the same name?
I’m not asking for you to predict what’ll happen in the future. I don’t know either how many Japanese will hold a sign on Takeshima in Winter Olympic. I am asking how many S. Korean “here”, in this board, will not complain if the same thing happened to them.
For example, JH 6:47, the answer will be yes, he’ll complain. So it’s actually countable. If you has difficulty to comprehend English. That’s fine, just say it. Anything other than what answers the question is avoiding the question. An extreme answer such as “no one will complain” or “everyone will complain” is fine, too. You deserve your opinion. If you don’t want to answer, that is OK. Take away your word that “S. Korean dare to answer”, that’s it. Don’t change the subject. You can comment that my question is stupid, that’s fine too. But there is still no S. Korean dare to answer.
As for all the insulting language, cursing words make your country look worse, not better. You only prove how bad your behavior is. Remember this is international board discussion. You get what you deserve from the world. If you shows no respect, you get not respect from others. Fair is fair.
I WILL PUT -1 FOR MYSELF.
THEN YOU SHOULDNOT ASK HOW MANY, YOU SHOULD ASK AGREE OR NOT TO FIND OUT!!!.
7:47 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I’m addressing to @ Kathy Lee, becuase part of the answer was directing to her. If you want me to correct, then the addressing would be @ Kathy Lee, and who ever may concern. Are you feeling better now?
But the samething, if she did not use curse word, why does she needs to feel offensive? Good for her for using polite language.
7:46 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Good to know that you didn’t
7:43 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Implying is your perception. Are you implying that everyone here who used cursing words are S. Korean?
I certainly didn’t.
7:42 am August 18, 2012
@Anonymous 7:33am wrote:
You didn’t say Korean specifically??? YOU READ WHAT YOU WROTE CAREFULLY AND HONESTLY TELL ME THAT YOU DIDNT IMPLY KOREANS – while you were saying your stuff to Kathy Lee knowing that she was a Korean? Your words were… “cursing words make YOUR COUNTRY look worse???” BUT If you SAY that you DIDN’T SAY that to KOREANS, what can I do but to accept your word for it?
7:40 am August 18, 2012
Freemarket wrote:
Japanese Nazies stop trolling and get a life
7:34 am August 18, 2012
@Anonymous 7:23am wrote:
YOU ARE TOTALLY RIGHT!!!! AGREE WITH YOU BRO!
7:23 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
This is between Korea and IOC, that’s right. Whatever penalty he receives, as long as it’s enough to stop future politic signs in Olympic, that’ll be fine.
If not able to attend the ceremony itself is severe enough, so be it. But that’s IOC’s decision, not Korean, not Japanese. I don’t want to see Japanese hold any sign what so ever in future games, and I don’t want to see Korean or player of any other country do it. That’s it. If “not attending the ceremony” is not good enough to stop all these politic in the future, then I hope the penalty is bigger.
But IOC should make the final decision, not me.
7:33 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I said all cursing, from everyone and every country, not Korean specificaly. It’s against WSJ guideline here, so read it before you comment it.
If you never use any cursing word, why are you feeling offensive? The Japanese used cursing word? then shame on them. What’s wrong with that?
7:29 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous 7:13am wrote:
You talk like you are all PURE and everything but put a hand in your heart and ask yourself…Are you? If you can accept that your question is stupid, accept the insult as well. And in this website, you can’t tell if a Korean really insulted Japanese. A japanese can insult on Japanese and later say “As for all the insulting language, cursing words make your country look worse, not better” and degrade Koreans. So let’s not make assumptions and write stuff like that
7:29 am August 18, 2012
@ huh? wrote:
I said many times that I’m not Japanese, if you don’t believe it, that’s up to you. I can’t stop you, but you can’t change the fact either.
I don’t care who owns that island. I hope you get the island you want. Good luck. But stop taking the issue to Olympic.
7:28 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
@Boycott Koreans;; hey, why dont you stfu and gtfo please. your ignorance and stupidity isn’t need. kthx.
7:24 am August 18, 2012
@ huh? wrote:
stop using racial slurs.
7:23 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
This is between Korea and IOC, that’s right. Whatever penalty he receives, as long as it’s enough to stop future politic signs in Olympic, that’ll be fine.
If not able to attend the ceremony itself is severe enough, so be it. But that’s IOC’s decision, not Korean, not Japanese. I don’t want to see Japanese hold any sign what so ever in future games, and I don’t want to see Korean or player of any other country do it. That’s it. If “not attending the ceremony” is not good enough to stop all these politic in the future, then I hope the penalty is bigger.
But IOC should make the final decision, not me.
7:22 am August 18, 2012
Huh? wrote:
“if you has difficulty to comprehend English”? English can’t be your first language. You must be another jap disguishing yourself as a westerner…
7:22 am August 18, 2012
@Newyorklover wrote:
Jacques Rogge, The IOC President already commented that it is clearly a political message, and nobody claimed about that officially. You should know your opinion dosen’t make sence.
7:19 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous 6:51am wrote:
you are right! It’s FUNNY that no other countries are doing the same thing… I WONDER WHY?????? maybe it’s because Japan isn’t saying anything and claiming THIER land as their OWN maybe???
As for the Korean player, DID HE days before the Olympics plan a way to hold up a sign to make such point?????? AND what is your point? That he made a political point? okay…SO WHAT? Park ALREADY couldn’t participate in a medal ceremony with other soccer players and didn’t receive his medal. WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT? should he go to Jail? Should he commit suicide? Although you don’t mention “Japan,” it seems that you are implying Japan. Stop bringing in Japan. Japan has nothing to do with this. As IOC!!!!! mentioned previously, I think this issue is between Korea and IOC..
7:18 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
No Chinese player held the sign of the island that they are also disputing with Japan during the Olympic games. Not all Chinese follow the rules, but at least the Chinese athletes followed the Olympic Chapter this time. Although they’re also victims of Japanese invasion.
The conclusion is, during 2012 Olympic game, Chinese players have better Sportsmanship than S. Korean players.
7:13 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Apparently there are multiple Kathy Lee here, are you sharing the same name?
I’m not asking for you to predict what’ll happen in the future. I don’t know either how many Japanese will hold a sign on Takeshima in Winter Olympic. I am asking how many S. Korean “here”, in this board, will not complain if the same thing happened to them.
For example, JH 6:47, the answer will be yes, he’ll complain. So it’s actually countable. If you has difficulty to comprehend English. That’s fine, just say it. Anything other than what answers the question is avoiding the question. An extreme answer such as “no one will complain” or “everyone will complain” is fine, too. You deserve your opinion. If you don’t want to answer, that is OK. Take away your word that “S. Korean dare to answer”, that’s it. Don’t change the subject. You can comment that my question is stupid, that’s fine too. But there is still no S. Korean dare to answer.
As for all the insulting language, cursing words make your country look worse, not better. You only prove how bad your behavior is. Remember this is international board discussion. You get what you deserve from the world. If you shows no respect, you get not respect from others. Fair is fair.
7:13 am August 18, 2012
Newyorklover wrote:
Why are you hillbillies involved in this? Dokdo is a Korean territory. I don’t see any political message in claiming what is true.
7:09 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Some of you even dosen’t understand that Japan have nothing to do with this ploblem.
Park spoiled the Olympic Charter, and shuold pay for that.
The question is only “how hard should the punishument be?”
6:54 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
It’s simple story “Korean was the violation”.
The name of the “Japan” will come out why?
Here seems to have written by Korean and Chinese only.
6:51 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The funny thing is, no other countries are doing the same thing.
Did you the US soccer player holding a sign that said “NY belongs to us!”?
No, because there is no need to say it. EVERYBODY knows NY is US.
The Korean player held a sign because he was trying to make a point. A political point.
6:49 am August 18, 2012
The rape of Nanking wrote:
All I have to say is whatever Japanese say study your history first!!!!
If you have no clue, here is my recommendation, Go find out what is “the rape of Nanking”
6:47 am August 18, 2012
J.H wrote:
He held sign which is Korean language and It says Dokdo is our land.
The banner is just a ceremony for Korean to Korean.
It didn’t say anything about Janpanese nor Korean, Banner just say Dokdo is our land, and it is truth, there is no political issue about that.
So, I think that he should receive the medal by now.
First, he has punished enough already.
Second, he didn’t plan any of this.
Third, what the sign said was just ‘FACT’ & one of Korean theme for cheering any national sports event against Japan.
6:46 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous 6:40am wrote:
Read THE WHOLE COMMENT BEFORE WRITING SUCH THING!
SOME COMMENTS MADE BEFORE BY KOREANS SAID that If Park’s action didn’t abide by the IOC rule, he did wrong. Seriously, don’t talk if you didn’t read the whole thing… And making comments like “It’s hopeless for these people” are insulting Koreans so STOP THAT! If someone wrote “gods are punishing Japan for their evil actions,,, It’s hopeless for these people” after the Tsunami hit Japan, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL??? wouldn’t you be hurt by such comments? Seriously, GROW UP MAN!!!
6:45 am August 18, 2012
christina wrote:
japan! listen we are tired to here you compline. be happy what si wrong with you. grow up don,t act like baby ok
6:44 am August 18, 2012
KATHY LEE wrote:
@@@Kathy Lee wrote:
.I didn’t bother her. She is the one who Volunterred that she’ll answer.
If she can’t, that’s up to her.
And stop using cursing word, you only proved that you cannot make a statement without insulting others.
HOW MANY JAPANESE WILL HOLD BANNER THAT” WHATEVER ISLAND IS OUR” IN JAPANESE IN WINTER OLYMPIC IN KOREA?
I NEED NUMBERS!!!!
THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!!!!
6:41 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
yes.. APOLOGIZE! Japan… to the world..
6:40 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
It seems that Hate never ends while Love can easily end. That’s why it is harder to love than hate…
6:40 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
It’s true the people here are dumb. You guys cannot be reasoned.
You keep repeating the same “but but but but… Japan!” and can’t even comprehend no matter what even after numerous explanation why IOC is punishing the SK soccer player.
It’s hopeless for these people.
6:40 am August 18, 2012
KATHY LEE wrote:
@ Kathy Lee wrote:
.How many S. Korean here would agree that in this case, the Japanese, or Chinese, or whoever, should not be punished?
When someone asked “how many” the answer should be a number.
You’re avoiding to answer the question.
I AM NOT AVOIDING BUT, IF YOU REALLY WANT KNOW ASK WSJ TO MAKE POLL OF THIS SILLY QUESTION.
I DON’T KMOW, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY WILL DO THAT IN WINTER OLYMPIC IN KOREA?
DO YOU HAVE ANSWER FOR THIS?
AND I DON’T KNOW HOW MANY KOREAN CAN READ JAPANESE OR CHINESE?
OBVIOUSLY, NOW I KNOW THAT MOST OF JAPANESE CAN READ KOREAN!!!!
BUT I CANNOT READ JAPANESE!!!
SILLY QUESTION TO GET ANSWER!!!!
I ONLY CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND I DON’T CARE BECAUSE I CANNOT READ JAPANESE, AND I AM NOT ONE OF YOU.
6:39 am August 18, 2012
@ANONYMOUS 6:30AM wrote:
IT SEEMS THAT ANOTHER ANONYMOUS BEAT ME TO IT. HOW DO YOU FEEL NOW? DO YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT SOMEONE SAYING THAT TO YOU?
6:38 am August 18, 2012
Banker wrote:
F’king Japs and their redneck A-holes are disgusting
6:37 am August 18, 2012
@ANONYMOUS 6:30AM wrote:
IF YOU ARE A JAPANESE AND SOMEONE SAID “WOW, THE JAPANESE HERE ARE F’ING DUMB” WOULDN’T YOU GET HURT BY SUCH WORD?
APOLOGIZE!
6:36 am August 18, 2012
michele wrote:
this is shame on japan, very sorry nation. just stey where you at
6:36 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Wow, the Japaneses here are f’ing dumb. Even don’t know what they’ve done to USA, Korea, China.. Hope China get the 尖閣!!
6:35 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I am sure that she was SO bothered & fed up with your question that she answered and you kept on saying this and that…LEARN TO MOVE ON… don’t be like the other guy who kept on saying… “NO ONE DARED TO ANSWER MY QUESTION” And how do you know if I used a cursing word? I didn’t write “FU*K” on it. Yo, it could’ve been like the word “Farting” instead. Even if I wrote “Fu*king,” it wouldn’t be an insult to YOU but to YOUR question. But if you were offended, I apologize.
BTW Kathy, were you bothered by this guy who kept on commenting on your comments after you answered him? If you weren’t, you are an ANGEL!
6:32 am August 18, 2012
K.M wrote:
Sorry … Correct.
KFA has sent the following E-Mail to JFA.
But then, KFA has said …
“That is not an apology e-mail.”
“I sent a mail by instruction of the FIFA.”
What do you think ?
6:32 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I am sure that she was SO bothered & fed up with your question that she answered and you kept on saying this and that…LEARN TO MOVE ON… don’t be like the other guy who kept on saying… “NO ONE DARED TO ANSWER MY QUESTION” And how do you know if I used a cursing word? I didn’t write “FUCK” on it. Yo, it could’ve been like the word “Farting” instead. Even if I wrote “Fucking,” it wouldn’t be an insult to YOU but to YOUR question. But if you were offended, I apologize.
BTW Kathy, were you bothered by this guy who kept on commenting on your comments after you answered him? If you weren’t, you are an ANGEL!
6:30 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Wow, the Koreans here are f’ing dumb.
6:29 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
At issue here is that he broke the rules of the Olympic Games.
I think he should be punished.
* Proposed for the territorial issue
Japan has decided to litigation to International Court of Justice.
If South Korea participated in the trial, this issue will be resolved by discussion.
it’s OK?
6:28 am August 18, 2012
sun siegrist wrote:
be a fair justices. japan should be a sham. ba treat as your own kind to park. thank you.
6:21 am August 18, 2012
@@@Kathy Lee wrote:
I didn’t bother her. She is the one who Volunterred that she’ll answer.
If she can’t, that’s up to her.
And stop using cursing word, you only proved that you cannot make a statement without insulting others.
6:16 am August 18, 2012
Banker wrote:
Japan = Nazi Germany, enough said
6:15 am August 18, 2012
Sun Rising Flag = Nazi.. wrote:
Did you even study your history?! Shame on you.. How dare you use this symbol.. Japan used the sun rising flag when you attacked the US, Korea, China.. and many other countries..!!
6:13 am August 18, 2012
@@Kathy Lee wrote:
STOP BOTHERING KATHY WITH YOUR F*ING QUESTION!! Your question don’t even make difference to anything. JUST SAY YOUR STATEMENT!! So annoying to have your question keep on popping up on this site. If you are so curious with the number, YOU can buy ticket to Japan, China, Korea or even Africa and DO A SURVEY!!!!!!!!!!!
6:13 am August 18, 2012
K.M wrote:
KFA has sent the following E-Mail to JFA.
But then, KFA has said …
“That is not an apology e-mail.”
“I sent an e-mail from the instruction to FIFA.”
What do you think everyone is?
—-
Unsporting celebrating activities after Olympic football match.
Dear President,
I hope You are fine back at home after your long journey to London.
First of all, as President of the Korea football association, I would like to cordially convey my regrets and words for the incident that occurred during the Olympic world football festival in UK.
As We are all aware, the player who performed the above unsporting celebration activities right after the Olympic 3rd and 4th placing match on 10 Aug. never acted intentionally and there was absolutely no political purpose and furthermore, I certainly believe that it was just happened impulsively,because he was enraptured from the winning of the said match and because they made history by becoming the first to be awarded bronze medal of the Olympic football games.
Nevertheless, I believe that it should not happened again and I will dfinitely give my strong message to every single korea national team players through diverse ways such as giving instructions to coaches and providing education opportunities to players who will be taking part in friendly and/or official matches and competitions.
Taking into account the good relationship recently established between KFA and JFA so far, your kind understanding and generosity would be highly appreciated.
Lastly, I hope FIFA U-20 women’s world cup to be held successfully in Japan and Korea women’s player have surprise world football fans that Asian football is the future of the world.
Yours sincerely,
—-
6:12 am August 18, 2012
OMG wrote:
It’s a simple fact: Park held a sign a fan passed to him in the spur of the moment. People are clearly overreacting. No need to bring out the history between Japan and Korea. Park worked hard with his team for that medal and he deserves it.
6:10 am August 18, 2012
PEACEKEEPING CANADIAN wrote:
CANADIAN PRETENDER, here’s a gift for you:
It seems like you didn’t answer my question about the date for Invasion of Canada… FYI, it occurred in 1775. It was in our highschool curriculum in Grade 10…not that you would know or anything…
6:09 am August 18, 2012
@ Kathy Lee wrote:
How many S. Korean here would agree that in this case, the Japanese, or Chinese, or whoever, should not be punished?
When someone asked “how many” the answer should be a number.
You’re avoiding to answer the question.
6:08 am August 18, 2012
ShameonJanpanese wrote:
Jalanese should have appolozied for ehst they have done before for the Asian and whole world. He did right thing but stupid Japanese do not know where their land is. That is why they keep attacking other country for their long history.
6:03 am August 18, 2012
Peacekeeping Canadian wrote:
Thanks Anonymous 6:00am… LOL~~ I am gonna stay calm, forgive that other Canadian and move on with my life as a NEUTRAL PEACEKEEPING CANADIAN!!! “OH CANADA~ OUR HOME AND NATIVE LAND!!!!!!!”
6:02 am August 18, 2012
LISTEN JAPAN! wrote:
THE GOVERNMENT OF JAPAN DOES NOT WANT ITS PEOPLE TO FOCUS ON INTERNAL/DOMESTIC ISSUES.. JAPANESE PEOPLE SHOULD RAISE THEIR VOICES AGAINST THEIR GOVERNMENT FOR THEIR ECONOMIC, POLITICAL AND SOCIAL FAILURES!!!
6:00 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Peacekeeper Canadian, stay clam….it seems like the other Canadian is trying to turn you into an ogre!!! Stay as Peacekeeper!!
5:59 am August 18, 2012
KATHY LEE wrote:
4:53 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
.This is my question.
>>I’d love to see a Japanese player carrying a sign from fan “Takeshima is ours” in Japanese, a Chinese carrying a sigh from fan “Suyan Islet is ours” and so on in Winter Olympic when S. Korea host it. I’d like to see the S. Korean to hold their words that it’s OK, and not complain about it.
How many S. Korean here would agree that in this case, the Japanese, or Chinese, or whoever, should not be punished?
I FORGOT.
THIS ISSUE WAS BROUGHT UP BY IOC NOT FORM KOREAN, SO THIS QUESTION SHOULD ADDRESS TO IOC NOT KOREAN.
KOREAN DIDN’T DO ANYTHIING JUST PLAYED WELL AND WIN JAPAN, EVENTHOUGH JAPANESE GOAL KEEPER RUN AS FIELD PLAYER.
5:55 am August 18, 2012
@ANONYMOUS wrote:
BY the WAY, I ALREADY apologized for the insult; whatever insult it was… Seriously, you are some Real Sensitive girl….
5:53 am August 18, 2012
@Anonymous wrote:
I don’t know who you are to judge me and my nationality but it took you like forever to reply back with Stephen Harper’s name to prove that YOU are Canadian?? Just because DIDN’T AGREE with you doesn’t mean that you can ASSUME that I AM A KOREAN??!!!! Buddy, if I said, “BASED ON YOUR GRAMMAR AND PHASEOLOGY that YOU are a Japanese or a Korean, would you be HAPPY??? And with your point made about Toronto, I understood what you were trying to do but FROM YOUR POINT, I Realized something else so I already said thank-you for that. STOP acting all SMART about it and JUST RELAX BUDDY… I DON’T CARE WHETHER YOU ARE ANTI-KOREAN OR PRO-JAPANESE WHITE BLACK OR GREEN-COLORED MAN!!! And if you want, I will add you to my Facebook. What’s your name? I will show you how WHITE I AM!!!!
5:31 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
@@@AnotherCanadian
Apologies for the insult!
First of all, you’re obviously NOT Canadian or at the very least you are Korean Canadian based on your grammar and phaseology. Nor is the person who titled his comment “US Citizen” American. No American would say “Dokdo is in fact KOREA territory”, they would say “Dokdo is in fact KOREAN” territory, so it is obvious to see the misuses of adjectives in your writings. Sorry your offended by my comments, i hope both your countries can solve this problem. However, my opinion is no medal for Park…sorry, that’s how I feel. If South Korea ends up getting Dokdo then great for them. As far as Park’s celebration, in my estimation it was political.You misunderstood my point about Toronto, I wasn’t disputing the claim of the land I was drawing an analogy as to what constitutes “political”. Our Prime Minister is Stephen Harper, IF there was an election going on and I was a Canadian athlete in the Olympics and held up a friendly sign “Go harper” then, as seemingly innocent a thing is that, is political by Olympic definition. Understand? Also in your subsequent post you use the term “Jap”, that indeed as the other poster mentioned is a racial slur; a deragatory way to say “japanese”. So, although I admire that you are looking for peace, since it is quite obvious from your grammar and lack of knowledge about deragatory terms that any Canadian would know, why do you feel the need to hide your nationality?
5:29 am August 18, 2012
julie chung wrote:
give him the medal.
5:27 am August 18, 2012
ioc is just being irresponsible now wrote:
what they have done and said is pretty much an excuse to get out of this mud, and shift all the responsibility to FIFA. FIFA and IOC have specific rules written about this matter but they are not the same. they have different specifications. if it really is up to FIFA’s report now, their rule actually wouldn’t be so harsh on Park.
if it was all up to IOC rule, it could have been harder. but the problem with that is, that IOC had been pointed out that they weren’t always so hard and strict about all their rules for the athletes with religious poses and the whole uniform matter. and since they got pointed that they are not applying rules equally strict to every category that they have written, they simply shifted this responsibility to FIFA, who is only associated with soccer. But FIFA has different details of these restrictions and rules. so how is FIFA’s rule going to overrule IOC’s on a game that was held in olympics?
the whole situation is a joke.
5:24 am August 18, 2012
I feel sorry for my fellow Canadian pretender wrote:
My buddy… who I thought was my fellow Canadian,
The invasion of Canada happened in 1775… It was in our Highschool curriculum in Grade 10 if you were in Canada at the time….
5:22 am August 18, 2012
I feel bad for my fellow Canadian pretender.... wrote:
Canadian pretender… who i thought as my fellow Canadian buddy….
The Invasion of Canada happened in 1775. It was in our High school Curriculum in Grade 10 if you even were in Canada at that time….
5:19 am August 18, 2012
@Canadianfromothercanadian wrote:
My buddy from Canada!!!! Where’d you gone to?? Why haven’t you answered the question to pass if you are real Canadian or not? No Canadian pride??? I want to cry!!!! I thought my buddy was from Canada but he LIED TO ME!!!!!!!! Taking freaking long to answer the question…..i bet he’s researching online to find the date….
5:18 am August 18, 2012
Maude Gauthier wrote:
Park, Jong-woo, he didn’t do anything wrong.
Why IOC and Japanese are panicking for this performance?
What makes them so afraid?
I think that some people doesn’t like to see truth.
For example : Sun Rise Flag is same symbol as Nazzi Flag.
5:18 am August 18, 2012
KATHY LEE wrote:
4:53 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
.This is my question.
>>I’d love to see a Japanese player carrying a sign from fan “Takeshima is ours” in Japanese, a Chinese carrying a sigh from fan “Suyan Islet is ours” and so on in Winter Olympic when S. Korea host it. I’d like to see the S. Korean to hold their words that it’s OK, and not complain about it.
How many S. Korean here would agree that in this case, the Japanese, or Chinese, or whoever, should not be punished?
WHAT IS MEANING OF OURS?
YOU MEAN THAT JAPANESE SAY THAT TO ALL OF THE WORLD?
O.K. Takeshima IS NO NATIONS ISLAND!!!!
THAT IS YOUR POINT!!!!!.
WHAT HE HELD IN THIS OLYMPIC WAS KOREAN LAGUAGE AND OURS MEAN KOREAN, SO IT IS NOT POLITICAL AT ALL, KOREAN SAID TO KOREAN THAT DOKOD IS OURS.
O.K.
IF YOU CANNOT SEE THIS YOU HAVE PROBLEM.
BECAUSE YOU JUST SAY THAT Takeshima IS NOT JAPANES’S ANYMORE.
5:16 am August 18, 2012
@@@@@Canadianfromothercanadian wrote:
I didn’t assume that the person who disagree with me is Japanese – I didn’t say “You are Japanese aren’t you?” and I didn’t ONLY question if my fellow Canadian buddy was Japanese BUT ALSO if he had a wife who is Japanese or something. My intention to ask such question is because my Canadian buddy was acting so sensitive and saying offending me for no reason at all!! I merely said in my last last comment:You like politics don’t you? well I don’t because it causes uproar like this one. Canadians are suppose to be NEUTRAL and be PEACEKEEPERS!! Buddy, why make offence at me first by making statements like “Well then you are not too smart?” I was hurt by your comment…I just wrote my opinion and hoped that this “hate” between KOR and JAP would end… Why you so into their business? And don’t even make such ridiculous claim like US claiming Toronto!!! Toronto is ours!!! Americans tried to have it in 1812 but couldn’t!!! Wait… I think I now begin to understand a little of what Korean people are feeling about that island… It’s like Toronto!!! We know that Toronto is ours but Americans are saying “no, it’s ours!! let’s go to international court” …..Wow!~~~I finally get it. I sympathize for Korean people…NEVERTHELESS…. I AM A CANADIAN EH? I AM GONNA REMAIN NEUTRAL AND BECOME A PEACEKEEPER!!! Japan Love Korea!! Korea love Japan!!! Everyone let’s stop HATING!!!!
So if you bothered by my comment made by to other Canadian, then I apologize for that. Anyways, it seems like you wanna join in the conversation buddy from another English speaking country~ Where you from?
5:11 am August 18, 2012
US Citizen wrote:
What’s wrong with the sign/poster again? This shouldn’t be an issue from the begining. Some people just have nothing better to do. Give him the medal and apology as well. People of all nations~~~ DOKDO is in fact Korea territory!! That’s it! Period!!!
5:10 am August 18, 2012
my question wrote:
See, no one answered.
I’ve waited long enough.
5:05 am August 18, 2012
@@@@Canadianfromothercanadian wrote:
I’m not a Canadian, just another outsider from another English speaking country.
So stop assume anyone disagree with you is Japanese, that’s insane.
5:04 am August 18, 2012
@@@Canadianfromothercanadian wrote:
Wow…. you are a picky one aren’t you? what racial slurs are you talking about? Is it “JAP” in “KOR vs JAP”??? OMG…. isn’t that also written in like athlete’s uniform?? and if I was using racial slurs and it offended any JAPANESE people out there, then I am sorry about that. But wait… are u sure YOU ARE REALLY A CANADIAN YOURSELF???ARE YOU JAPANESE pretending to be CANADIAN??????!!!! or do you have a wife who is Japanese? Why are you sooo sensitive? SERIOUSLY…. IF you are a real Canadian, then answer this in like a minute: Other than in 1812, when did Canada got invaded by the Continental Army during the American Revolution?
As for other people reading this, I will repost my last comment and you can see that I had no intention of using such racial slurs…You like politics don’t you? well I don’t because it causes uproar like this one. Canadians are suppose to be NEUTRAL and be PEACEKEEPERS!! Buddy, why make offence at me first by making statements like “Well then you are not too smart?” I was hurt by your comment…I just wrote my opinion and hoped that this “hate” between KOR and JAP would end… Why you so into their business? And don’t even make such ridiculous claim like US claiming Toronto!!! Toronto is ours!!! Americans tried to have it in 1812 but couldn’t!!! Wait… I think I now begin to understand a little of what Korean people are feeling about that island… It’s like Toronto!!! We know that Toronto is ours but Americans are saying “no, it’s ours!! let’s go to international court” …..Wow!~~~I finally get it. I sympathize for Korean people…NEVERTHELESS…. I AM A CANADIAN EH? I AM GONNA REMAIN NEUTRAL AND BECOME A PEACEKEEPER!!! Japan Love Korea!! Korea love Japan!!! Everyone let’s stop HATING!!!!
4:58 am August 18, 2012
@ Janet wrote:
IOC only has right to judge what happened in Olympic games. Do it somewhere else, then they won’t say anything.
4:56 am August 18, 2012
Janet wrote:
It is non-sense! who did give an authority to IOC to judge the traditional ceremony whether it is political or not? IOC should pay more attention to widespread match fixing rather than a certain nation’s player.
4:55 am August 18, 2012
KATHY LEE wrote:
@4:53 am August 18, 2012
To anonymous 4:47am wrote:
.Someone DARED to answer your question. Read from the beginning. Sorry to disappoint~
YOU DON’T REMEMBER YOUR QUESTION HUH????
4:53 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
This is my question.
>>I’d love to see a Japanese player carrying a sign from fan “Takeshima is ours” in Japanese, a Chinese carrying a sigh from fan “Suyan Islet is ours” and so on in Winter Olympic when S. Korea host it. I’d like to see the S. Korean to hold their words that it’s OK, and not complain about it.
How many S. Korean here would agree that in this case, the Japanese, or Chinese, or whoever, should not be punished?
4:53 am August 18, 2012
To anonymous 4:47am wrote:
Someone DARED to answer your question. Read from the beginning. Sorry to disappoint~
4:52 am August 18, 2012
@@Canadianfromothercanadian wrote:
watch your language, you’re using racial slurs. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, you does not know English well enough.
Are you really a Canadian?
4:51 am August 18, 2012
KATHY LEE wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
.US is formed by immigrants from all over the world with European Americans, Asian Americans, African Americans and so on. We care about international affair, and that’s why WSJ open these sites.
And still no S. Korean dare to answer my question. How nice.
WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION??
4:49 am August 18, 2012
@Canadianfromothercanadian wrote:
You like politics don’t you? well I don’t because it causes uproar like this one. Canadians are suppose to be NEUTRAL and be PEACEKEEPERS!! Buddy, why make offence at me first by making statements like “Well then you are not too smart?” I was hurt by your comment…I just wrote my opinion and hoped that this “hate” between KOR and JAP would end… Why you so into their business? And don’t even make such ridiculous claim like US claiming Toronto!!! Toronto is ours!!! Americans tried to have it in 1812 but couldn’t!!! Wait… I think I now begin to understand a little of what Korean people are feeling about that island… It’s like Toronto!!! We know that Toronto is ours but Americans are saying “no, it’s ours!! let’s go to international court” …..Wow!~~~I finally get it. I sympathize for Korean people…NEVERTHELESS…. I AM A CANADIAN EH? I AM GONNA REMAIN NEUTRAL AND BECOME A PEACEKEEPER!!! Japan Love Korea!! Korea love Japan!!! Everyone let’s stop HATING!!!!
4:47 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
US is formed by immigrants from all over the world with European Americans, Asian Americans, African Americans and so on. We care about international affair, and that’s why WSJ open these sites.
And still no S. Korean dare to answer my question. How nice.
4:45 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Korean government refused to go to international court, so that’s not even true.
4:42 am August 18, 2012
Boycott Japanese wrote:
This is ashame to FIFA and IOC that they’re allowing Japanese players wear uniform that has rising sun flag symbol printed on, and hurting most of the asian countries reputation.
But as it is in the picture, I strongly support the rights of Korea that they may call their own territory by their own. Because there’s nothing wrong with it. We must ban Japan try to stilling other country’s land. That is not just in any sense of laguages or laws. Therefore the IOC must return the Broze medal to the Korean player!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4:39 am August 18, 2012
Eash side has its own fact wrote:
Each side has its own fact. Not only between Korea and Japan, there are many different facts all over the world even between US and Canada. First of all, both Koreans and Japanese should understand and accept this way of thinking. Mature people should reach this way of thinking.
Second, if you want to deny your opponent’s fact, go to court. Otherwise, you both must not complain about the world where different facts coexist.
Third, understand that propagandizing your fact is a political action regardless of whether it is true or not. If there are people who do not think your fact is true, mentioning the fact in public spaces is regarded as a political action.
Fourth, my advice to both Koreans and Japanese is “Do not use abuseful language in arguments.” Using abuseful language makes you look foolish and gives bad impressions to third parties. Even if your fact is true, your logic will be doubted if you are regarded as an uneducated person.
Finally, the reason Park’s action is regarded as a problem is that he propagandized the fact of Korean side. Neither IOC nor FIFA is interested in as to whether the fact is true or not. The sun-rising uniform is another different matter. If Koreans think the uniform is a big issue, ask IOC to investigate it.
4:35 am August 18, 2012
wow! wrote:
i thought we have freedom of speech here, and some one some how gets rid of certain comments that had no cursing or name calling what so ever. just shows how stupid and meaningless it is to even write here.
4:32 am August 18, 2012
@OtherCanadian wrote:
Well then you are not too smart, eh?. Deeming an act “political’ is irrespective of whether an International Court decides it belongs to South Korea. The fact that Japan disputes the claim is all that is needed to make it “political”. It’s not about right or wrong in the eyes of the Olympic Committee, it is about a certain standard of behavior that Olympic athletes swear to before the games start. If a the United States claimed Toronto was theirs and, despite whether this was a ridiculous claim or not, if a Canadian athlete held yp a sign “Toronto is ours” that would STILL be political. Get it?
4:26 am August 18, 2012
@SooKim wrote:
Why most Japanse wouldn’t put their names and write comments anonymously? Haha!
I’m not even Japanese but my guess is that unlike other Olympic athletes or people they don’t want a blitz of anti-Japanese sentiment on Facebook sites or social media. Can you blame them? What other country’s netizens do that? Which Mr. Kim I believe answers your question.
4:26 am August 18, 2012
From another Canadian wrote:
THE END!!!!!!!!
4:24 am August 18, 2012
What is Olympic Spirit? wrote:
I have never seen this kind of dirty Olympic.
Medal equals bribe money.
4:24 am August 18, 2012
From another Canadian wrote:
Canadian Eh? Hello fellow Canadian!
As another “objective “observer,” my opinion is that KOR and Jap just gonna decide on who that small island belongs to and if it turned out that it belongs to Korea, then Park’s sign is no longer political and should be given a medal. But until that island issue is resolved, one can’t say for sure that Park’s sign is political. Until then, deeming Park’s action as “Political” is too cruel and not deeming Park’s action would deem IOC unfair by Anti-Park fans so…. conclusion is…. THERE IS NO CONCLUSION. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!!! People are wasting so much time in this- including ME hahahaha – i should go and do something useful after this…anyways, this issue probably wouldn’t end for like 30~ 50 years or maybe… it wouldn’t end until Jesus comes down to Earth LOL~~
4:21 am August 18, 2012
UKBill wrote:
I think what’s going to happen is that FIFA will come down on this pretty hard. No way Park will get a medal, and in fact, if the Korean team was parading the Dokdo sign around on top of the flag then I think things will get ugly. think of the alternative, if they don’t enact severe punishments then that is setting a precedent for all countries to get political…and that won’t happen. Just my opinion!
4:13 am August 18, 2012
From a Canadian wrote:
S.K., just my point of view, but in terms of the politics, I don’t know it well enough and that is something for your 2 countries to debate in the future and I hope you eventually resolve those differences. As an “objective observer” (you may laugh as everyone seems to have some bias)..but as somebody who is looking at just the “Park event”, to me it was clearly political and it seems that if that part can’t be admitted then there isn’t too much hope for any agreement on anything. Bringing up historical injustices doesn’t really address this issue. You may sympathize with Park, you may like him and respect him, but in the context of the Olympics his action must be deemed “political” regardless of how he felt or how overcome he was with happiness. So, my vote, even though he is a great player, no medal.
4:10 am August 18, 2012
Soo Kim wrote:
Why most Japanse wouldn’t put their names and write comments anonymously? Haha!
4:07 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
You can conclude with whatever you want but in the previous comments made by some Korean that if holding the sign had to do with politics and Park didn’t abide by the rule, Park’s action is wrong.
As with having the right to voice your opinion, if i hurt your feelings then SORRY. But what are you doing in Asia section – under Korea Realtime? Are you sure you are American? Lying is BADDDDDD. In this website, it doesn’t matter if you say you are an African, American, Korean, Japanese or an ALIEN because by the things that the person writes, one can tell.
4:04 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
And still no one answers, for all Japanese and Korean here, if you wants to fight about your history, fight somewhere else. Don’t do it here.
As for the one who use other language to curse and pretends to be others, you’re destroying your own nation’s reputation. No one here is naive enough to be deceived by you. So behave yourself.
The poll is under “politic” in WSJ, Mr. Park violates Olympic Chapter, and should be punished.
4:01 am August 18, 2012
@M wrote:
I strongly agree with you. Let’s see if these people can talk to each other like this face to face.
4:00 am August 18, 2012
KATHY LEE wrote:
HAHA Japanese ppl need to ACCEPT THE FACT that they’ve LOST the GAME. Stop being immature and dumb like u always are.
LOSERS!!!
3:59 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Withhold Korea’s medal and ban Korea from any games eternally
right answer
3:59 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
過去の歴史を反省しながら人類の為に貢献しても足りない今
日本の政府は嘘の歴史を国民達に教え続けている。今度のこの事は韓国のみならず世界に対して日本の政府が持っている本音を表出したもの。あらゆる汚い事は罪の意識も持たずやる日本が韓国の選手のメダルに対していちいち口をハサムな！彼はolympicの精神に基づきすばらしい競技を見せてくれたし、同然賞をもらうべき！
貴方達の選手が着ていたuniformの模様決して忘れない。犯罪者達！恥を知りなさい！
3:58 am August 18, 2012
M wrote:
CLOSE THIS SURVEY. CLOSE THIS SURVEY.
IT SHOWS THE UGLY SIDE OF THE HUMAN BEINGS AND LOWEST OF THE INTEGRITY.
CLOSE IT ………
3:53 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
This is WSJ, American based newspaper, I have more right to voice my opinion in my own country’s site.
3:51 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
And if no one answers, then I’ll conclude that Mr. Park holding a sign in Korean stating “Dokdo is ours” from a fan, is wrong, per the S. Korean, because they dare not defend their own statement.
3:49 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
ANONYMOUS!
It’s not that no Korean want to listen to it it’s because you have no part in this. Like what IOC!!!! said, MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!!!
3:49 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Sorry, I’m not Japanese, just someone who likes sports but hates politic so answer my question.
I don’t care who owns that island and I don’t care who wins that game. I’m American, whose team won the most medals this year.
>>I’d love to see a Japanese player carrying a sign from fan “Takeshima is ours” in Japanese, a Chinese carrying a sigh from fan “Suyan Islet is ours” and so on in Winter Olympic when S. Korea host it. I’d like to see the S. Korean to hold their words that it’s OK, and not complain about it.
How many S. Korean here would agree that in this case, the Japanese, or Chinese, or whoever, should not be punished?
3:47 am August 18, 2012
@ and no one answered yet? wrote:
can’t you SEE???
If no one answered to your question that means no one CARES!!!
DO SOMETHING ELSE!
GO TO WASHROOM AND POOH OR SOMETHING!
3:46 am August 18, 2012
@ and no one answered yet? wrote:
You Japanese?
Stop minding someone else’s business and stop asking crap!
NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR QUESTION!
3:45 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Koreans don’t understand because you’re idiot.
There are so many people here trying to explain the fact but no Korean wants to listen to it.
3:44 am August 18, 2012
IOC!!!!! wrote:
THIS IS NOT ABOUT JAP VS KOR… IT’S KOR VS IOC!!!!
JAPAN MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS
KOREA DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT
IOC STOP BEING CHEAP ASS TALKING ABOUT POLITIC CRAP
3:43 am August 18, 2012
And no one answer yet? wrote:
Just curious wrote:
.
>>I’d love to see a Japanese player carrying a sign from fan “Takeshima is ours” in Japanese, a Chinese carrying a sigh from fan “Suyan Islet is ours” and so on in Winter Olympic when S. Korea host it. I’d like to see the S. Korean to hold their words that it’s OK, and not complain about it.
How many S. Korean here would agree that in this case, the Japanese, or Chinese, or whoever, should not be punished?
No S. Korean dare to stand for their own argument? Poor Mr. Park.
3:42 am August 18, 2012
IOC!!!!! wrote:
WAS PARK DOPING? WAS PARK HAVING SEX ON THE SOCCER FIELD? I mean, he only had his shirt off!!! IOC GIVE PARK HIS MEDAL OR A GHOST WILL HAUNT YOU TILL THE END OF TIME!!!!!
3:42 am August 18, 2012
Kisun chang wrote:
He said right. Dok-do island is korea’s territory. Shame on Japanese people!!!
3:41 am August 18, 2012
Tim wrote:
Well…. That’s why I hate politics.
Politics destroys everything and only makes more and more hatred.
The comment area here is already completely ruined by hate and anger of both Korean and Japanese.
3:40 am August 18, 2012
IOC!!!!! wrote:
Park deserves medal. What’s he done wrong? He just stated a FACT! and it wasn’t even written in ENGLISH…
3:38 am August 18, 2012
Julie wrote:
I don’t understand why his action is considered as a big issue. He had a sign which was saying the truth. There have been some nations who started wars to take over other countries property. Those nations already have done enough bad things to this world.
3:36 am August 18, 2012
@KATIE: read this. I put all my comments together for you convenience^^ wrote:
Katie, you are right that answering questions logically is the best way to consider what is right or wrong. But if you ask a question or make statement with emotion, the reader can’t help but to react to it. With my first answer to your question, if you feel that it wasn’t logical and didn’t answer your question, that is your problem. I feel that I addressed the core issue and whether I did or not is my problem. With the second question, if you felt that my answer was pathetic, then I succeeded in getting through to you that your question was pathetic – That’s what I wanted you to realize and that is the reason why I DIDN’T feel the need to answer your question logically. (Ask a logical question next time. BTW, I appreciate your effort in trying to teach me what logic is. But I didn’t need it. It seems that you don’t know the full definition of logic or you never studied Philosophy; and if you did, I recommend you to learn it again – Know the difference between what logic is and the theory of rationality.) Next time when you write questions, try to avoid mixing your prediction about future into your questions…unless you can read the future. And avoid making your questions sound extreme. For example, instead of asking “Why do Korean claim…” you can word it as “Why do some Koreans claim” because I am sure that not every Koreans living in this world all think in the same way about Park’s performance. And with the law that you mentioned about Koreans who have favourable comments on Japan are taken into jail? Try it yourself in Korea and if you get jailed, then I will believe you. You seem adept at English language yourself but with all due respect, I advise YOU to ask your native English teacher to teach you how to write a good neutral question to begin with. It seems that you want to become a teacher or something telling me that my question is not appropriate to the question but you aren’t my teacher to decide that for me. While you ask your English teacher about writing a good neutral question, ask her how to become a good teacher. Good luck to you and ALL the best of luck! *And you don’t need to comment on this in the future because I am already sick of wasting my time to talk to you – and I am sure you don’t want to waste your time on this as well. But if you feel the need to BS on my comment to get your anger out go ahead because I won’t see it to reply back. Sorry. It was nice though having the chance to talk to such a …. person like you. Whether emotional answers are convincing or not, just for a farewell present, I will repost my last comment starting with the statement “So now:” So now, I want to tell you something and i want to do it WITH EMOTION. As a person, when looking at Park, whether he is Japanese, Korean, African or American, I feel sorry for him. As an athlete myself, I know how one feels after winning a game, especially if it’s a real important one with medal at stake. After winning, you can’t help but become super excited and you can’t think as logical as before. I believe that it was this moment when Park took the political sign from a fan saying “Dokdo is our land.” I am not saying that “political message can be permitted as long as they may say it’s out of overjoy” but that as a fellow human being, I can’t help but sympathize for him because due to this incident, years and years of his hard effort; all the sweat and tears that fell down, became nothing. Another point that I would like to address is that you generalized Koreans and said that “I hope there is a Korean who can do , not raving against Japanese off the deep end?” But instead of demanding and trying to find that one korean who doesn’t rave against Japanese off the deep end you should question what caused such a scar in Korean people’s hearts that is making them emotional when it comes to Dokdo or Japanese in general? (And the thing to note here is that some young people nowadays don’t even care about the past anymore; marrying Japanese, having a Japanese friend as a best friend etc…) By asking such question, Japanese can understand Koreans and help the pain to heal which still resides in the hearts of many Koreans. With your second question, I can see that you tried to make a parallel by putting Korea in Japan’s shoes but such parallel doesn’t work because Koreans didn’t colonize Vietnam whereas Japan colonized Korea for 35 years. (Korea only participated in the Vietnam War.) If Korean SOLDIERS did wrong during the Vietnam WAR, then these soldiers should be punished. Likewise, if it’s possible, it would be appropriate that all the Japanese people living in Korea at the time who did wrong; not only the Soldiers and governing officials but all Japanese citizens who did wrong to Koreans should be punished as well according to their crime. And I believe that when Korean people are saying things about Japanese flag, they are referring to the OLD Japanese flag that Japan had when they conquered Korea. That old Jap. flag is already gone and Japan already have a new one so why use the old? I don’t know what the reason is behind it but they should not forget that to some people, it can bring back painful memories; like a girl getting reminded of being raped – something that can’t be forgotten no matter how hard she tries.
Forgot to write this: It seems that you love logic so much…. as your best pal, if I could give an advice in life: don’t try to live your life with logic alone. While you love, while you talk to your lover and while you have sex, will you do it all with logic? Have some emotion in your heart! If you never was an athlete, try to become one so you can have a little sympathy for Park as a fellow human being. If you never had a family member who are still suffering from the time when Japan colonized Korea, try to get to know them first and know their pain before talking about Korea this and Korea that… I think the core issue here regardless of your question is that you don’t like the attitude of Koreans in general – through your questions that could be felt. Even though I am an American, due to way you word your comments and questions, I feel myself turning into Anti-Japanese person, which I don’t even want to be; having a Japanese friend as my best friend. So stop spreading comments that can cause hate. Thanks.
3:34 am August 18, 2012
enough has been said! wrote:
please .. it is just same arguments going over and over, recycled.
and this comment areas is not even staying at arguing stage, it is now filled with name calling and cursing.
this page should be closed already, and stop making both side only hate each other more.
IOC and FIFA would not really care so much of all thse comments here, since it is filled with bunch of hate comments and immature cursing going on. please stop attacking now and start waiting.
whatever logical or reasonable things you feel like it needs to be heard by either FIFA or IOC, just contact them!
3:32 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
And I only see S. Korean disguise themselves, using other language, to avoid taking any responsibility for themselves.
Your viewpoint is not important if you cannot speak up for yourself.
3:30 am August 18, 2012
KATHY LEE wrote:
HAHAJapanese ppl need to ACCEPT THE FACT that they’ve LOST the GAME. Stop being immature and dumb like u always are.
BECAUSE THIS IS FACT LOSERS!!!!
3:30 am August 18, 2012
yoon eun young wrote:
Please he
3:29 am August 18, 2012
心を痛めている日本人です wrote:
韓国半島統治時代に日本が犯した悪行に心を痛めています。朝鮮人慰安婦問題は、ICJに提訴して事実であることを世界に知らしめるべきです。そうしなさい。
3:28 am August 18, 2012
@ Kathy Lee wrote:
Stop copy and paste, you only need to prove your point once, don’t waste other people’s time.
3:28 am August 18, 2012
KATHY LEE wrote:
HAHA Japanese ppl need to ACCEPT THE FACT that they’ve LOST the GAME. Stop being immature and dumb like u always are.
3:27 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Because if he is not punished, next time at Olympics, I’ll see all the politic signs everywhere, and everyone will use him as an example to prove how they are not “intentional”, how this is not an issue, how IOC is overreacted, to prove their point.
The Olympic Chapter is there for a reason.
3:27 am August 18, 2012
KATHY LEE wrote:
Japanese ppl need to ACCEPT THE FACT that they’ve LOST the GAME. Stop being immature and dumb like u always are.
3:25 am August 18, 2012
USA Rocks wrote:
“This player was a pt. of the team that won. He was integral to the team. He deserves his medal. Because he was so caught up in his emotions, he held up the sign after the game. I think we can all relate to the fact that when we are so caught up in our emotions, we do things we may not have done.” — I agree with WSJRead
I actually saw this game and think that the player deserves his medal- I mean he was part of the team. And yea, we do sometimes not-the-smartest-thing because we are cught up in our emoitons. What’s up with everyone hating everyone in these comments? This issue isn’t that big of a deal…. Just let him get his bronze medal and let’s be done w/ it pplz!
3:24 am August 18, 2012
@ WSJ Read wrote:
At the 1968 Summer Olympics in Mexico City, two American track and field athletes, Tommie Smith and John Carlos, who finished first and third in the 200 meters, performed the Black Power salute on the victory stand. The second place finisher, Peter Norman of Australia, wore an Olympic Project for Human Rights badge in support of Smith and Carlos. In response to the protest, IOC President Avery Brundage told the United States Olympic Committee (USOC) to either send the two athletes home or withdraw the track and field team. The USOC opted for the former.
And you called them racist? That’s an insult.
3:20 am August 18, 2012
anon wrote:
@boycott Koreans– “Buying Korean is not different from buying Nazi German in the 1930′s and 40′s. If Koreans do not have blood on their hands” … wtf….
I believe I learned in my world history class, that JAPAN ANNEXED KOREA AND TOOK AWAY ITS LIBERTY. Who are YOU to talk about “blood on hands”???
3:20 am August 18, 2012
Just curious wrote:
>>I’d love to see a Japanese player carrying a sign from fan “Takeshima is ours” in Japanese, a Chinese carrying a sigh from fan “Suyan Islet is ours” and so on in Winter Olympic when S. Korea host it. I’d like to see the S. Korean to hold their words that it’s OK, and not complain about it.
How many S. Korean here would agree that in this case, the Japanese, or Chinese, or whoever, should not be punished?
3:18 am August 18, 2012
WSJRead wrote:
This player was a PART OF THE KOREAN TEAM that won. He was integral to the team. He deserves his medal. Because he was so caught up in his emotions, he held up the sign after the game. I think we can all relate to the fact that when we are so caught up in our emotions, we do things we may not have done.
But this has been taken too far!! Compared to other olympic players who were suspended, etc. (because they were racists, and clearly violated IOC rules), this player, I believe, truly deserves his medal.
3:18 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
It’s not a problem between Japan and Korea. It’s a problem about the Olympic Charter. Do not mix different issues.
3:16 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
first i would like to say that Park hold “Dogdo” sign!! how is that not political?! and Japanese Gynnastics played hard and fair with their team! the S Korean need to stop fighting over things like this! it’s getting old and childish and if they’re going to take their time to make this issue such a big deal, they’re wasting their time! The Korean always attacks the Japanese for everything they do to make the Japanese look bad when they’re the ones making themselves look bad!
the Korean players always play like a man but lose like a loser! if they don’t win the medal of gymnastic, they will make it clear that they didn’t like the loss. even with the fencing, they fought to be pushed up to get the silver when they clearly lost.
I got tired, but your argument speaks for the Japanese as well. Good job.
3:15 am August 18, 2012
KATHY LEE wrote:
.Japanese ppl need to ACCEPT THE FACT that they’ve LOST the GAME. Stop being immature and dumb like u always are.
3:11 am August 18, 2012
@ please wrote:
I agree only with your first 3 sentences, they are neutral. But you’re bringin all the argument against Japanese after that, which kills your objectivity.
All arguments about Japan-Korea history are unnecesary. Don’t do it here, go somewhere else.
3:10 am August 18, 2012
anonymous wrote:
first i would like to say that the Japanese wore “the rising sun” as their country’s flag!! how is that not political?! and Park jongwoo played hard and fair with his team against the Japanese! the japanese need to stop fighting over things like this! it’s getting old and childish and if they’re going to take their time to make this issue such a big deal, they’re wasting their time! The japanese always attacks the Koreans for everything they do to make the Koreans look bad when they’re the ones making themselves look bad!
the japanese players always play like a man but lose like a loser! if they don’t win, they will make it clear that they didn’t like the loss. even with the men’s gymnastics. they got 4th and so they fought to be pushed up to get the silver when they clearly lost. when yuna kim got the gold medal at the winter olympics in 2010, the japanese made her look bad and they tried everything to take that away from her!
it just appalls me that the japanese always have to go out of their way to make other coutries “look” bad. if the japanese don’t win something, they will do anything and everything to take something away from someone else! the japanese need to start playing the game fair! Koreans aren’t weak and we won’t put up with the way the japanese treat other countries and especially us the koreans!!
3:07 am August 18, 2012
@@ Katie wrote:
Sports is emotional, but Sportsmanship is not.
All atheletes become emotional, but the ones with good Sportmanship stop their own emotional behavior using their will power. That is the difference
3:07 am August 18, 2012
Please wrote:
Please close this site. This goes a way beyond it is necessary. Everybody is arguing instead of giving their opinions. It only cause more hatred between Korean and Japanese. Korean government at least doesn’t teach false history as Japanese do. Arguing in words with Japanese not going to lead anywhere until they learn the real truth of history. Japanese, you cannot cover the sky with your hands. No matter whether you erase, distort, change your history, it won’t change the truth. With normal human mentality, It is almost impossible to accept what your ancestors did to other nations. More than NAZIs, subhuman
3:04 am August 18, 2012
@Katie from you best pal Katie^^ wrote:
Forgot to write this:
It seems that you love logic so much…. as your best pal, if I could give an advice in life: don’t try to live your life with logic alone. While you love, while you talk to your lover and while you have sex, will you do it all with logic? Have some emotion in your heart! If you never was an athlete, try to become one so you can have a little sympathy for Park as a fellow human being. If you never had a family member who are still suffering from the time when Japan colonized Korea, try to get to know them first and know their pain before talking about Korea this and Korea that… I think the core issue here regardless of your question is that you don’t like the attitude of Koreans in general – through your questions that could be felt. Even though I am an American, due to way you word your comments and questions, I feel myself turning into Anti-Japanese person, which I don’t even want to be; having a Japanese friend as my best friend. So stop spreading comments that can cause hate. Thanks.
3:02 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
IOC has to punish Park to enforce Olympic Chapter.
If that is not done, I’d love to see a Japanese player carrying a sign from fan “Takeshima is ours” in Japanese, a Chinese carrying a sigh from fan “Suyan Islet is ours” and so on in Winter Olympic when S. Korea host it. I’d like to see the S. Korean to hold their words that it’s OK, and not complain about it. Otherwise, whatever their excuse for Mr. Park is not justified.
3:02 am August 18, 2012
KATHY LEE wrote:
He held sign which is Korean language and It says Dokdo is our land.
That banner is for Korean to Korean.
It didn’t say anything about Janpanese nor Korean, Banner just say Dokdo is our land, and it is truth, there is no political issue about that.
Koreans live in that island, koreans visit as koreans wish no document or approval from government.
Regardless what Janpanese say, it is Korean’s land.
American live in America, Japanese live in Japan, Chinese live in China, and Korens live in Dokdo, who’s land is Dokdo?
If you cannot figure it out think yourself as stupid.
We are so proud that Dokdo is our land so Koreans say to ourself that Dokdo is our land.
What is wrong about that?
And Koreans share this inside and outside of country.
I claim that Japan’s Tsushima Island is Korean’s.
How about that!!!!!.
2:57 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I agree to what Park did was inappropriate, even though I’m a Korean.
BUT, he shoud receive the medal by now.
First, he has punished enough already.
Second, he didn’t plan any of this.
Third, what the sign said was just ‘FACT’ & one of Korean theme for cheering any national sports event against Japan.
2:54 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Park is intentional. He reads Korean, knows what the sign says, and decides to carry it.
…what, he is actually illerate? Sent that information to IOC then.
2:54 am August 18, 2012
Mythought wrote:
That’s absolutely his medal. IOC gotta be very careful on this matter. Instead, IOC gotta must investigate about the rising sun flag uniform wore by Japanese players and their fans. It’s imperial military symbol that war criminals used during WW2.
2:51 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Park cannot read Korean? He is illterate? He chooses to hold the sign konwing what it said, for a long enough time to prove him guilty.
In addition, it’s against Olympic Chapter no matter it is intentional or not.
2:48 am August 18, 2012
@Katie from you best pal Katie^^ wrote:
Katie, you are right that answering questions logically is the best way to consider what is right or wrong. But if you ask a question or make statement with emotion, the reader can’t help but to react to it.
With my first answer to your question, if you feel that it wasn’t logical and didn’t answer your question, that is your problem. I feel that I addressed the core issue and whether I did or not is my problem.
With the second question, if you felt that my answer was pathetic, then I succeeded in getting through to you that your question was pathetic – That’s what I wanted you to realize and that is the reason why I need feel the need to answer your question logically. (Ask a logical question next time. BTW, I appreciate your effort in trying to teach me what logic is. But I didn’t need it. It seems that you don’t know the full definition of logic or you never studied Philosophy; and if you did, I recommend you to learn it again – Know the difference between what logic is and the theory of rationality.)
Next time when you write questions, try to avoid mixing your prediction about future into your questions…unless you can read the future. And avoid making your questions sound extreme. For example, instead of asking “Why do Korean claim…” you can word it as “Why do some Koreans claim” because I am sure that not every Koreans living in this world all think in the same way about Park’s performance.
And with the law that you mentioned about Koreans who have favourable comments on Japan are taken into jail? Try it yourself in Korea and if you get jailed, then I will believe you.
You seem adept at English language yourself but with all due respect, I advise YOU to ask your native English teacher to teach you how to write a good neutral question to begin with. It seems that you want to become a teacher or something telling me that my question is not appropriate to the question but you aren’t my teacher to decide that for me. While you ask your English teacher about writing a good neutral question, ask her how to become a good teacher. Good luck to you and ALL the best of luck!
*And you don’t need to comment on this in the future because I am already sick of wasting my time to talk to you – and I am sure you don’t want to waste your time on this as well. But if you feel the need to BS on my comment to get your anger out go ahead because I won’t see it to reply back. Sorry. It was nice though having the chance to talk to such a …. person like you.
Whether emotional answers are convincing or not, just for a farewell present, I will repost my last comment starting with the statement “So now:”
So now, I want to tell you something and i want to do it WITH EMOTION. As a person, when looking at Park, whether he is Japanese, Korean, African or American, I feel sorry for him. As an athlete myself, I know how one feels after winning a game, especially if it’s a real important one with medal at stake. After winning, you can’t help but become super excited and you can’t think as logical as before. I believe that it was this moment when Park took the political sign from a fan saying “Dokdo is our land.” I am not saying that “political message can be permitted as long as they may say it’s out of overjoy” but that as a fellow human being, I can’t help but sympathize for him because due to this incident, years and years of his hard effort; all the sweat and tears that fell down, became nothing. Another point that I would like to address is that you generalized Koreans and said that “I hope there is a Korean who can do , not raving against Japanese off the deep end?” But instead of demanding and trying to find that one korean who doesn’t rave against Japanese off the deep end you should question what caused such a scar in Korean people’s hearts that is making them emotional when it comes to Dokdo or Japanese in general? (And the thing to note here is that some young people nowadays don’t even care about the past anymore; marrying Japanese, having a Japanese friend as a best friend etc…) By asking such question, Japanese can understand Koreans and help the pain to heal which still resides in the hearts of many Koreans. With your second question, I can see that you tried to make a parallel by putting Korea in Japan’s shoes but such parallel doesn’t work because Koreans didn’t colonize Vietnam whereas Japan colonized Korea for 35 years. (Korea only participated in the Vietnam War.) If Korean SOLDIERS did wrong during the Vietnam WAR, then these soldiers should be punished. Likewise, if it’s possible, it would be appropriate that all the Japanese people living in Korea at the time who did wrong; not only the Soldiers and governing officials but all Japanese citizens who did wrong to Koreans should be punished as well according to their crime. And I believe that when Korean people are saying things about Japanese flag, they are referring to the OLD Japanese flag that Japan had when they conquered Korea. That old Jap. flag is already gone and Japan already have a new one so why use the old? I don’t know what the reason is behind it but they should not forget that to some people, it can bring back painful memories; like a girl getting reminded of being raped – something that can’t be forgotten no matter how hard she tries.
2:47 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Park didn’t have intention to do it. He didn’t realized it’s political acts.
It’s not making excuse that rising sun flag uniform for park’s behavior
It’s just so funny that Japanese people make it small or nothing on their problems and make it exaggerated about koreans’
2:46 am August 18, 2012
let's just stop arguing about wrote:
past an island now.. IOC had already refereed this matter to FIFA. FIFA is not UN or soem organization that needs to do any kind of historical studies. just wait for what they report.
2:36 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
He ran around with a politic sign, which is a violation of Olympic Chapter. It’s politic because the location of this poll is under politic in WSJ.
Don’t you see it? WSJ does not belong to Japan, they has no control of it.
When you click you mouse and find your way here, you admit you know what the international opinion is on this issue.
2:33 am August 18, 2012
anonymous wrote:
He didn’t do anything wrong. He deserves the medal!!!
2:32 am August 18, 2012
green wrote:
Dear Japanese,
Your endless greed will eventually make your islands sink. Stop trying to steal what is not yours. Learn from the past.
2:31 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I’m not Japanese, if you have a question of their uniform, bring that to IOC, and don’t use that as an excuse for Park’s behavior
He is responsible for his behavior, be a grown up.
2:29 am August 18, 2012
Smith wrote:
STOP HATING!
and stop trying to take SOMEBODY’s stuffs.
so tired. seek about you guys.
wish the islands can move to somewhere seriously.nomore!!
2:28 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I’m sick of all the double standards from the Japanese people.
If they wanted to really respect the Olympic spirit, and let it not be issues of jealousy nor national pride, they should realize how shameful (and embarrassing) it is when they used rising sun flag as their uniforms. It’s the same as Germans using the Nazi swastika in their uniforms!
Be honest with yourselves; Japanese people just can’t stand Koreans doing better than them in every field.
Talking about the Olympic spirit? Ha! You Japanese are such hypocrites!
2:24 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Go to Japanese embassy and complain, don’t do that here. I’m not Japanese, and I’m tired to hear your arguments.
2:22 am August 18, 2012
Christy Cho wrote:
I would like to ask Japan to see “yourself” seriously and what you did in the past to all Asian countries. If you look at yourself seriuosly, you won’t dare to say that DokDo is yours as DokDo is for sure beongs to Korean nation. Live for truth and teach your children only truth for your future.
2:17 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
And why does that has anything to do with Olympci?
Say that somewhere else, or stop attending international games.
If you love your country that much, a medal means nothing to you.
…..What? the medal is more important? But you can’t say that or you’re get punished by your counrty?
You have no free speech living in a “free” country?
2:15 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
He didn’t do anything wrong so i don’t see why anyone will withhold his medal. He earned that medal by working so hard.
On top of that, what he said is TRUE! I guess some people get scared of knowing the truth.
2:14 am August 18, 2012
whoever does not want to wrote:
look at two side’s arguing can just leave this page, but really…it is pointless to argue anything here.
anything that needs to be provided as information should be going to either ioc or fifa at this point.
2:14 am August 18, 2012
monkey wrote:
Japanese ppl need to ACCEPT THE FACT that they’ve LOST the GAME. Stop being immature and dumb like u always are.
2:11 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
No matter what, DokDo belongs to Korea, Korean nation. It was part Korea and it is and it will be forever.
2:05 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Fight your history somewhere else, don’t start here.
2:04 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I see two many racial slurs from S. Korean’s post here… Can’t you post anything with appropriate language?
This is WSJ, US-based! Leave here if you can’t follow any rule.
2:02 am August 18, 2012
Fairness and Justice wrote:
I’d like to kindly ask Japanese, the world-most shameless war criminals, to stop overreacting to this happening.
I think now it’s a gooooood time for you guys to accept the TRUTH that KOREA DEFEATED YOU in this olympic soccer game and the SACRED TRUTH that DOK-DO IS KOREAN TERRITORY!
Take at easy and stop distorting the truth!
1:50 am August 18, 2012
@takeshima wrote:
Takeshita! Why guilty complex? No answer for that. It in no worth to reply. You must be curious enough what the hell is that said? And understand? You r freaking smart to cheat your own history. It is no surpring to see this as always Japan cover up their own history. Takashima! Be a real human being, not an animal before a good Japanese citizen.
1:45 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
It looks like Koreans are so stupid that they cannot understand what the matter is. The more they criticize Japan or IOC or FIFA, the more they prove Park tainted Olympic spirits by bringing political issues to the biggest sports event. I’m fed up with Korean’s self-pity, greedy, and blaming-Japan-forever attitude.
1:34 am August 18, 2012
Takeshima wrote:
If Dokdo is Korean territory, why would an olympic athlete need to reaffirm by an ostentatious act? Guilt complex?
1:29 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Shame on Japanese.
Japanese cannot say a word toward Russia even they bring their military ship into Japan territory.
Only thing Japanese can is, trying to take bronze medal away from Korean soccer player.
That’s spirit of Smurai.
1:25 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Japanese broke the spirit of Olympic by wearing rising sun flag , Olympic is not WWII (Japanese =rising sun flag , nazi = swastika )
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1:24 am August 18, 2012
From a Kiwi wrote:
No medal for Park–a clear violation of IOC rules. Period!!!
1:22 am August 18, 2012
Shame on Japan! wrote:
Because Japan lost the soccer game they are jealous about Korea’s win and making an issue about Korean player who was simply excited from winning. Japan thinks they are Superior nation in the world that they could not accept the lost!
1:18 am August 18, 2012
FOR THE WORLD wrote:
If a South Korean act is allowed, the Olympic Games will be a stage of political performance.
Can you imagine?
A Zionism praises Israel.
The people from Palestine cry for the Judea exclusion.
Iraq takes refuge from Iran.
Iran takes refuge from Iraq.
Tibetans appeal against the cruelty of invasion by China.
The people from East Turkestan appeal against the cruelty of invasion by China.
It becomes a place of such chaos.
We should give severe punishment to South Korea.
Because it was a systematic and planned crime.
1:12 am August 18, 2012
Prometheus wrote:
FIFA must not permit the political performance of the Korean football player.
Korean do not have a sense of guilt for telling a lie .
The incidence of commit perjury in the Korean court is 671 magnifications in Japan. This is a fact.
Korean tells a lie to breathe. And Korean makes transparent excuses.
Korean said a happenstance. However it is a lie .
Park(朴) and his teammate planned a political performance from a beginning.
It is never a happenstance.
This act violates Olympic Charter clearly.
This is because political implication is put to this message board.
And all the members of the Korean team accept his political performance.
Must not give a bronze medal to Park and his teammate.
The FIFA has to make a Korean football team disqualification for this premeditated act.
I hope expect Justice of the FIFA.
1:07 am August 18, 2012
@New York from another American Observer wrote:
That’s right, if mexico disputed new York and an American held up a sign “Go New York” then yes! That is a clear violation of IOC rules and breaks the oath sworn by each athlete before the Olympics started. If an American athlete held up a sign that said “Go Mitt Romney” or “Go troops” (in Afghanistan) than that too is a violation. All of these actions would display poor sportsmansip!! What’s so hard to understand?
What does rape of Nanking have to do with the Olympics, an international sporting event with a presupposed spirit of good will by all nations? Park is SK, he held up the sign, not a Japanese national…he did…he’s responsible. Part of the spirit of the Olympics is to come together after past world hardships, to celebrate peace & unity. SK doesn’t seem to understand this simple concept!! We want you to get your “justice” but do it the right way.
12:59 am August 18, 2012
JJ wrote:
Shameless Japanese monkeys, they are the blood suckers!
12:57 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
“Dok Do is Korean territory.
So what is the problem?”
You Koreans really can’t understand this grave situation…
You’ll see FIFA and the IOC’s decision soon.
Not only Park will be punished but also Korean soccer team, KFA and possibly KOC too.
12:44 am August 18, 2012
New york wrote:
Dok Do is Korean territory.
So what is the problem?
If USA player held up a sign “Go New York!”, that player does not have “true sportsmanship”?
As fas as Korean is dishonest nation, and Japan is honest one, I am just sad for you to believe and utter just a word. Have you ever heard of “the rape of Nanking”
12:07 am August 18, 2012
An American Observer wrote:
We will have to wait for the decision of FIFA and the IOC. But they should come down hard not only on Mr. Park but on the entire South Korean team. The videos of the incident show clearly that no team member tried to stop Mr Park. In fact, after he held up the sign he placed it on the South Korean flag which the whole team was carrying around the field. No one moved to remove it. The sign resting on the flag was clearly visible as they continued carrying it around the field. Therefore, this is an action approved by the whole team. They are jointly responsible and should be jointly punished. If they are not held accountable for violating the ban on political statements at the Olympics, it will only encourage similar actions by the South Koreans and others at future Olympic Games..
12:05 am August 18, 2012
S.Korean? Who? wrote:
S. Koreans male soccer team should not be allowed to play in any international fields. They don’t know the word “sportsmanship”. It is such a dejavu of 2002 Korea worldcup “fixed” games vs. Spain and Italy. You can see how low their sportsmanshisp is by the way they use stupid imitaion of opponent team to show disrespect after making a goal. They cannot celebrate without creating a insult. Also, threre was a time when their fan put up a sign of “celebration” against the devastating earthquake happened in North-East Japan during a game in 2011. Who does that? That’s how Korean people and its nation are. Why can’t they just enjoy sports purely? When one says a thing, they come back with million irrelevant statements and try to mix matters with politics. Who talking about WWII and confort women here? I don’t care if Park get medals or not, I just dislike how cunning and full of hate S.Koreans are especialy when it comes to sports.
12:05 am August 18, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Katie! Answere to your question, who started Vietnamese war? South Vietnam? No. It was communist, north vietnam. South korea was allies with American to defend freedom and democracy but Japan was invader during WWII and they still do now. Get it katie?
12:03 am August 18, 2012
Mr. P. wrote:
The use of sun-rising flags by japanese supporters must be banned.
If Mr. Park, Korean men’s soccer player is questioned for grabbing thrown Korean written sign from fan in joy of winning, Japan team(esp gymnestics) who took Rising sun flag themed official uniform and their soccer players and fans used Rising sun flag as a cheering tool should be banned and punished.
Rising sun flag to Asians is Nazi swastika flag to Jews and European.
In London Olympic japanese pgymnastics wore an official uniform themed from Rising sun flag. This is EXTREMY POLITICAL matter against Olympic Spirit and also INSULTs other Asian countries for the horrible past they had to suffer during world war II. But this japanese gymnastics, soccer players and fans got no warning and restrictions at all. Japan team should be banned next Olympic and Rising sun flag or sign should never be allowed to be shown ever again in any olympic sites.
The Rising Sun Flag (旭日旗, Kyokujitsu-ki?) is the military flag of Japan.[1] It was used as the war flag of the Imperial Japanese Army and the ensign of the Imperial Japanese Navy until the end of World War II. The naval ensign and a modified version of the war flag continue to be in use by the Japanese Self-Defense Force, the design is also incorporated into many commercial products and advertisements. However, as the flag was heavily used by the Japanese in the conquest and the occupation of East Asia, it is seen as offensive in countries which were victims of Japanese colonialism, largely because of the war crimes perpetrated by the Japanese military.
11:54 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
South korea was one part of Japan and thats it? Nazzi invaded and killed so many people during WWII So it is ok because part of France was nazzi during wwii? Go back to elementary school and learn more common sense!
11:47 pm August 17, 2012
lee in uk wrote:
Korea: The world most dishonest nation
Japan: The world most honest nation
The world is learning this from crazy comments like yours.
This world has cancer named “korea”
11:46 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
WIthhold Park’s medal and ban him and Korean team for some games
11:46 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Japan keeps causing territory problems with their neighbor. Japan wants any portion of others like they wanted during WWII don’t forget jap hit Hawaii . History repeat!
11:36 pm August 17, 2012
Harry wrote:
I’m sure it wasn’t political action because it was written with Korean language. It was a message of consolation for Korean who have been given deep scars from Japan governor. I believe IOC is not any political party. If IOC is going to decide negative option, indeed it must be political action. Give him his medal !!
11:34 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Your talking about prostitution. Yes. It is illegal every where. Who said they are all korean girls. Making sex videos in Japan is widely accepte as a normal in japan and jap produced all kind of bizrred sex video and export to world. You cant even talk about this ok?
11:25 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
But South Korea was one part of Japan in WWII. That’s it.
11:23 pm August 17, 2012
Embrace Korea wrote:
Korea, a tiny country has suffered enough by the Japanese. One little statement in Korean during the celebration does NOT warrant Park from receiving a well earned medal. Missing the medal ceremony is plenty enough punishment. Koreans are passionate as displayed during the games. If this was any other big nation, this would not even have made it to the news.
For all you “anti-korea” folks, own up to your past, show TRUE remorse for what your country has done to ours!!!
11:22 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Dear American fellow! Don’t forget what jap did against world during WWII. Jap never change. Here is why? Japan still has as king who committed world war 2. History of Japan showed plenty of evidence that they invaded others so many times. They will do it again like animal. Shame on Japan.
11:13 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Now South Korea are exporting prostitute girls, and many Korean girls are arrested as prostitutes in many foreign countries including the US, Japan, Australia. Most prostitute girls say that they are Japanese to their clients. Many countries are annoyed and Japan is damaged now the most. You should face the current situation which South Korea is making, not more than 60 years ago.
11:13 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Japan apologied so many times? Who said that? You must be patriotic Japanese. Did Japan ever compensate to victims of Japanese during WWII? Do you know that there are still lot of sex slavery women survived in korea and china? Korean workers by Mitsubishi during that time got compensate by Japanese legal court for like $1.00 for a months? Shame on you Japananes! If you still support jap. Period!
11:10 pm August 17, 2012
Shame,shame,shame wrote:
Shame on you Japanese!!!!!
You have nothing to say but sorry.
Have you guys know how to say sorry when you have done wrong.
Shame, shame,shame on you.
11:04 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Don’t judge till you understand WWII history. Nazzi and italy were Japan’s allies. Who was invader in wwIi? Have you heard sex slavery by Japan during WWII? Japan kidnapped and used women from korea, china and others for their soldiers during WWII, but Japan never admitted their evil history. For more detail, learn history of ugly Japan.
11:00 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Japan apologized many times!!!! And Japan pay huge mount of money to South Korea. You are a racketeer!!! You are not facing the truth. SHAME ON YOU.
10:53 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Japan committed crime during WwII, they never gave apologies, shame on you
10:42 pm August 17, 2012
Neutral Viewpoint wrote:
Nuetrally speaking, it seems that South Korea is now invader.
10:40 pm August 17, 2012
Moni wrote:
give park his medal. there’s been an overreaction to the incident
10:19 pm August 17, 2012
Sportsmanship wrote:
Interestingly, the huge number of comments on this article nicely demonstrates why political statements need to be barred from the Olympics.
10:18 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Remember that South Korea was one part of Japan and it was not a winner country in WWII. South Korea is different from Russia and China. If South Korea would say that it would be the winner, would you recognize that South Korea is one part of China or Russia?
10:03 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I don’t think that argument is based on the facts. In Japan’s surrender during WWII, Japan just abandoned the territory in Chinese Mainlands. Islands like Takeshima aren’t including the Mainlands. And moreover, San Francisco Treaty doesn’t state which country Takeshima belongs to. It is natural to understand that Takeshima is returned to Japan. South Korea occupied Takeshima illgaly, even though the United States ordered not to do so.
Anyway, International Justice will give the answer in the International Court.
9:52 pm August 17, 2012
please do not spread false rumors wrote:
there already is a picture that 1 fan was giving the card to park and the couching staff was seen stopping him soon after. there was even a Japanese couching staff there who witnessed that the korean couching staff trying to stop him, and he got the card from a fan.
9:50 pm August 17, 2012
@Anonymous wrote:
before japan ever claimed it to be theirs in 1905, korean emperor gojong already declared it to be korean in 1900 with no question raised what so ever by any country. in 1905 when japan declared it, korean palace was surrounded by japanese soldiers and the goverenment was deprived of their right for army and talking to other countries. if some one kidnaps your baby, and file paper work to the government while the other partner is pointing gun at the baby’s parents, that paper work will go through at the time without other people noticing that the parents object to this. but this does not make this baby the kidnapper’s
the treaty of sanfransico does not say this island belongs to japan. it does not even mention this island.
japan like to think the luck letter is related to this doc. but the u.s. government had already admitted that this had nothing to do with the allied powers, and united nations’ decision,
it was a secret letter made by only u.s., which was already illegal to begin with, since they have agreed to make this decision with allied countries. thus, this letter could not hold any legal power.
once again, the treaty of peace does not say this island is Japan’s. while it is clearly stating that ulleng do needs to be returned to korea. And in 1900 korea has already clarified this island belong to ullengdo as it’s part. if it was clearly stating that the island to be remained on japan, there will be no reason for international society to be confused about this land or even call it conflicted area.
when you look at the only map that was drawn by england closing this treaty of peace with america at its last stage, the map has out line clarifying where this island belongs to. and dokdo is actually within the line for korean territory. even when korean war was going on UN has drawn the line on korea territory to protect them, they have included this island to be korean.
also, the basic spirit of treaty of sanfransisco was to return any island and land that was illegally taken over to be returned to it’s original country. both korea and japan are way older countries than past 100 years.
so where did it belong to before 1950s? it is way too close to be not found from either countries. it did belong to some one. and there are just clear evidences from both countries found, that this was identified as korean island.
9:34 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I don’t think so. That theory is robber’s story. International Justice should decide whether Japan or Korea is entitled to the Island.
9:25 pm August 17, 2012
icj matter wrote:
it is generally known that the side who already has the island under their control, does not feel the need to go to the court. that is the same reason why Japan is not going to icj for the island that they are having problem with China. it’s because they already have that one under their control. it has nothing to do with who has more right to it or more evidences. fyi, the island that japan is having trouble with china also started having this problem because of the WW2. the reason why koreans appear to be more emotional about this matter is because, while this island is desirable to japan for it’s resources, and economic value, to korea it holds more value of sentiment, and symbol of their regained independence, what their ancestors had bled for.
it’s like this… their’s gold ring that two people are claiming.
one sees that the value of the ring is gold.
but to the other, that ring was a family heirloom her mother left, or it was a gift from love of her life who died from an illness before they got to have wedding.
of course, the later person will react a lot more emotional over this item.
9:08 pm August 17, 2012
Korean observer wrote:
I gree. South Korea should fight against Japan in the Court.
9:05 pm August 17, 2012
@Anonymous wrote:
“For those of you asking why Koreans are being over sensitive when it comes to Japanese related matters. It is because we know what they did to our people.”
People have heard this excuse over and over again! So, according to your position, SK poor behavior in international settings should be excused because of WWII atrocities? Grow up!
9:00 pm August 17, 2012
an Outsider wrote:
Here’s something that appears clear to outsiders looking at the the Japanese-Korean conflict. SKs speak with emotion, but rarely provide and logical, consistent arguments. Posters on here often use words like “pathetic” and “isn’t it obvious”, but then proceed to either contradict themselves with hypocritical arguments or revert back to historical injustices as an all encompassing excuse for poor behavior in current international venues. Which leads westerners like Pete, myself and others to wonder: Does SK want a solution to any of these problems or are they going to use Japan as their go to card everytime they need an excuse. We want to root for you SK, but man up, take responsibility, and take a good look at your behavior because honestly, nobody outside of your countrymen are supporting your position!
8:51 pm August 17, 2012
Mark wrote:
Good points Pete…Come on Korea, the West is looking too.
8:36 pm August 17, 2012
Pete wrote:
So in response to S Korea’s Dokdo shenanigans, Japan has stepped up and put in a formal proposal to have the Takeshima/Dokdo settled once and for all by the International Court of Justice in the Hague.
Japan has offered twice before (1954 and 1962), but S.K. declined both times. If S.K. really believes the evidence is in their favor, here’s their chance to put their money where their mouth is and make their case in the place where it matters the most.
Will S.K finally settle this matter? Or will they continue to leave it unresolved, just like their preference to not accepts Japan’s WWII apologies, monetary compensation, and previously agreed upon treaties. Would they rather have these cards still in their hand, to play whenever they need to bolster nationalist or anti-Japanese support, either for political gains or to distract from other political social problems? Time will soon tell…
8:03 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
He should get his medal back but Japan should get Takeshima back, which is rightfully hers.
Koreans are ingrates!
7:29 pm August 17, 2012
Olympic Spirit wrote:
Anti-Japanese policy of Korea is an incurable disease. Anti-Japanese brainwashing education is going on there.
Japan annexed Korea LEGALLY in 1910 by REQUEST from Korea which was in fear of Russia coming south. During annexation, Japan set slaves free, and as a result of sanitation management and agricultural advice, the population in Korea increased from 13million in1910 to 25million in1942. Average life span increased explosively from 24 to 56 years. 6000 schools were built, people were educated, therefore the literacy rate went up from less than 10% to 65% till1936. Railroads,hospitals, bridges, dam, electric power and so on.
In 1965, everything was finished by Treaty on Basic Relations between Japan and the Republic of Korea.
This is off topic, sorry, but I couldn’t stand Koreans lies.
7:17 pm August 17, 2012
Incurable disease wrote:
Anti-Japanese policy of Korea is an incurable disease. Anti-Japanese brainwashing education is still going on there.
Japan annexed Korea LEGALLY in 1910 by REQUEST from Korea which was in fear of Russia coming south. During annexation, Japan set slaves free, and as a result of sanitation management and agricultural advice, the population in Korea increased from 13million in1910 to 25million in1942. Average life span increased explosively from 24 to 56 years. 6000 schools were built, people were educated, therefore the literacy rate went up from less than 10% to 65% till1936. Railroads,hospitals, bridges, dam, electric power and so on.
In 1965, everything was finished by Treaty on Basic Relations between Japan and the Republic of Korea.
I know this is off topic, sorry, but I couldn’t stand Koreans lies.
7:13 pm August 17, 2012
Nana wrote:
It is natural for Koreans to take a provocative attitude against JAPAN.
Looking back upon the past, South Koreans have repeated the similar attitude to Japanese people.
Only the last year –
On 25 Jan. 2011, Ki Sung-Yueng made the monkey face and made a fool of Japanese people in the 2011 AFC Asian Cup semi-final match.
On 27 Sep. 2011, Some Korean supporters made a banner which said “We Celebrate The Huge Earthquake in Japan” in the match between Korean Team(Jeonbuk Hyundai Motors) and Japanese Team(Cerezo Osaka) of AFC Champions League 2011.
Even if IOC punishes him this time, their sportsmanship will never change.
5:18 pm August 17, 2012
Football chief apologizes for handling of 'Dokdo' celebration aftermath wrote:
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2012/08/17/27/0301000000AEN20120817007900315F.HTML
Read yourself, and find out how pathetic the S. Korean is.
The KFA person who sent out the letter is in trouble from making an apology to both IOC and Japan
5:14 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I might be too naive, but I wish I could enjoy seeing top athletes striving for their excellence in Olympics games without seeing ugly political issues one day.
5:12 pm August 17, 2012
To Koreans wrote:
Don’t learn your country’s history from Korean textbook. Unfortunately Korean history textbook is full of lies, misunderstanding, and fabrication. Surprisingly even Chinese history textbook is much accurate than yours.
5:07 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Japanese soccer committee was not the one who reported to the IOC, so stop your …but but but it’s all Japanese argument.
5:02 pm August 17, 2012
No Sportsmanship wrote:
Don’t expect sportsmanship from South Koreans. Watch unbelievable rough plays by Korean basketball players against Japanese in a game of the 2012 London Olympics Qualification (Asian Zone). Especially, around 0:00:42.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBnhd4ngwEo
5:00 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
For those of you asking why Koreans are being over sensitive when it comes to Japanese related matters. It is because we know what they did to our people. You may say but it is all over now. Thing is they are still insisting our island belong to them. Korea and Japan, we are neighbors. We don’t like to hate them. Nevermind Comfort women who were taken to be sex slaves for Japanes soilders. Nevermind people being killed for their medical experiment, and nevermind how they chopped off heads of so many innocent civilians . Nevermind all of that and we are ready to forgive and forget. Though unthinkable and no other countries were such cruel to their enemys ,I will say anything can happen during the war. But now war is over. Yet they still fabricate history and keep on insisting part of our land belongs to them. We Koreans dont want to have to tell the world Dokdo is our island. It irritates us very much having to fight with Japan for something so clear. If you don’t want to give Park his medal because you think what he did was political action. Please focus on the fact that he did not have to do what he did in the first place if Japan did not insist on something as absurd as this. I have many Japanese friends and they are really nice people. They tell me they don’t understand their government either. We would all be in peace if they stop claiming our land. It is just not as simple as Park does not deserve his medal because he did whatever. I wonder if Japanese soccer committee would still have reported this to FIFA or IOC if they won the game.
4:13 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The reason why Koreans pick a fight with Japanese everywhere and thus cause a trouble around the world is that they are educated based on intentionally and conveniently-fabricated postwar history which causes an anti-Japanese sentiment.
Sensible Koreans should be aware that your free speech is suppressed by the Korean government and your voting behavior is controlled by the anti-Japanese sentiment.
I’m awfully sorry, as a neighbor, that Korea has become a laughingstock of the world by making more and more outrageous claims like Takeshima, wartime prostitutes, and the senseless claims of the originarity of everything.
3:51 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
He does not deserve a medal.
3:50 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Give him his medal and be done with it!!!!!!!
3:49 pm August 17, 2012
nomoekoreans wrote:
Shame
3:48 pm August 17, 2012
nokoreans wrote:
Shame
3:07 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
KFA sent Japan apologetic letter sent BY E-MAIL.
OFFICIAL LETTER SEND BY E-MAIL?
BY E-MAIL? BY E-MAIL? BY E-MAIL?
Obviously, Korean does not have any etiquette to apologize.
2:15 pm August 17, 2012
Anon wrote:
Why KFA send apologetic letter to Japan? It’s Olympic problem so they should send it to IOC.
2:11 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
KFA sends Japan apologetic letter
http://koreajoongangdaily.joinsmsn.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2958035
1:40 pm August 17, 2012
K.M wrote:
Please look at this!
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8r7tyEYfj1qe377do1_500.jpg
1:32 pm August 17, 2012
@ Jessie wrote:
You sounds delusional. Please find help immediately.
1:31 pm August 17, 2012
Jessie wrote:
I can say you didnt pick my point well in my first writing. Through this issue, many Koreans and Japaneses are upset. So devil multipulate it to produce sins in their heart. So people need to control their mind well. This is my point.
1:24 pm August 17, 2012
@Jessie wrote:
I said “most of Japanese soccer fans”, I didn’t say “all the Japanese”
Btw, you can check Japanese soccer discussion forums at anytime.
You will find how we felt after the bronze medal match.
1:19 pm August 17, 2012
@ Jessie wrote:
No one claims they know everything, and jeaousy has nothing to do with what it is happening. IOC does not
begin investigation because of Japan, but because of a S. Korean’s misbehavior.
Japan has no control of IOC’s behavior. There will be no issue if Japan is not jealous? When IOC find out what happened, there will still be an investigation.
You’re just trying to blame on someone, and you pick Japan because you can’t get over from the history.
If you cannot judge an issue without getting emotional, you have no good judgment.
1:10 pm August 17, 2012
Jessie wrote:
I agree with you in terms of ” you know nothing” . Yes, I cannot know all, but how do you know all Japanese heart? You are just one of the people. How do you represent all Japanese heart? Although you and your some friends are Not jealous, who knows. You are not God. So you didn’t make each person heart. If I were you, I will say,” I am not jealous, or most of us are not jeolous, not We.” you are still emotional I think.
1:10 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Haha the Koreans always want the Japanese to be jealous of Korea.
1:06 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
It just goes to show SK’s massive inferior complex. They think everyone’s jealous of the Koreans while completely missing the point why everyone is complaining about their behavior in the Olympics.
12:59 pm August 17, 2012
@Jessie wrote:
Oh, dear…
The God has come up…
It suggests South Korea ends up relying on the God… Truly pathetic. They are becoming like old Japanese right-wings…
It is like Japanese right-wings during the WWII who said Japan was protected by the God because no other countries could have invaded Japanese territory (actually the US would have occupied it after the end of the war)…
12:56 pm August 17, 2012
@Jessie wrote:
You are wrong.
Most of Japanese soccer fans were disappointed in how baldy our(Japanese) team played in the bronze medal match.
Most of us recognized that Korea played better than Japan.
We were sad but we were not jealous at all.
God knows everything but you know nothing.
12:47 pm August 17, 2012
Jessie wrote:
God knows everything. It is obvious that Japan is Jealous to S.Korea because S.Korea won the soccer battle against Japan. I believe making bad emotion between Japan and S.Korea are controlled by devil. People need to wake up spritually and just keep watching what the result will come out from FIFA finally. Devil multipulate the bad feeling among you guys to commit sins in your heart. The final result is also under God’s control since God has all authoritis in the world. Regardless you believe it or not, it is true. Devil always want to fall us down against God. Wake up friends!
12:16 pm August 17, 2012
Katie wrote:
Well, I hope smart Japanese and pro-Japanese people will soon stop posting their massages.
I clearly found Koreans are LESS SMART THAN SAMSUNG’S SMART PHONES.
All they can is repeat the same things without logic like a bad-quality robot …
So, it is nonsense to discuss any matters with Koreans.
They don’t have intelligence but emotion. They have no way to think! They can just feel something.
It’s like animals not human beings.
So every issue presentation will be end to nonsense because of Korean lack of intelligence.
12:07 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
On the other hand, there is no choice for them.
If you don’t behave the way he did, you may not be banned from international games, but you’ll be banned from their domestic games, for “not supporting the nation”.
S. Korea has almost the lowest rating you can see from a supposed “free country” regarding free speech.
12:03 pm August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The real problem is not Mr. Park’s one-time behavior, but the fact that most S. Korean thinks the same way Mr. Park does, and does not understand why it is not appropriate.
When the Korean Soccer Association email the IOC and Japan (why) stating that he regret what happened, that it was unsporting, he was condamned by the S. Korean people.
This whole nation does not understand what sportsmanshp is.
11:57 am August 17, 2012
@KOC wrote:
Oh my, the 2018 Olympics there? should be a completely classless affair full of corruption, bring it on, the whole world will have a front row seat into the fiasco. Use politics…raise Dokdo signs…it’ll be a perfect display and the world will see who SK really is!!
11:53 am August 17, 2012
@Referee wrote:
Ciao moron! You’re a racist piece of dog crap, thanks for leaving idiot!
11:52 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
>2018 Winter Olympics in PyeongChang (in South Korea) is a big chance for South Korea to propagandize their fact that DOKDO is theirs. KOC (Korean Olympic Committee) is planning to change even the design of the Olympic flag from the 5 rings to 5 letters, namely, ‘D’,’O’, ‘K’, ‘D’ and ‘O’. The last ‘O’ is replaced with Taegeuk
Oh god, these guys are morons. How can you not understand a simple rule???
No politics in Olympics!
Stay classy South Korea. Stay classy…
11:49 am August 17, 2012
Korean Olympic Committee wrote:
2018 Winter Olympics in PyeongChang (in South Korea) is a big chance for South Korea to propagandize their fact that DOKDO is theirs. KOC (Korean Olympic Committee) is planning to change even the design of the Olympic flag from the 5 rings to 5 letters, namely, ‘D’,'O’, ‘K’, ‘D’ and ‘O’. The last ‘O’ is replaced with Taegeuk (a red and blue circle in the center of the flag of South Korea). South Korea says there is no problem in propagandizing their fact in the Olympics because it is just a fact. 2018 Winter Olympics in PyeongChang must be wonderful for South Korean but for no other countries.
http://i49.tinypic.com/1z6t8uw.png
11:47 am August 17, 2012
@Referee wrote:
Ugly stuff fella…whatever nationality you are, your bigotry is offensive. I’m a Westerner and you sir are an idiot!
11:44 am August 17, 2012
FromCanadian wrote:
It is true Hirohito…I’m Canadian and I don’t agree with your behavior! The world is watching, show some respect for your country and carry yourself with pride.
11:44 am August 17, 2012
@ Referee wrote:
Red card for you, however.
11:42 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
>The Japanese are obviously like little girls that complain about any litttle insignificant thing
More like the Koreans are acting like little girls.
You gotta be pretty desperate to start accusing Japan for their uniforms lol
11:35 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
What a manner. S Korean disguises as others and using cursing word. Reminds me of that video from a S. Korean telling the Japanese victims to die in earthquake.
Remember, the world is watching your behavior. You just prove yourself again.
11:32 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Try again, because I’m not Japanese anyway.
11:28 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Hirohito’s period of time, the Japanese spelling is slightly different, however. Whoever you are, you are not him.
11:27 am August 17, 2012
@ Hirohito wrote:
And you don’t even have a gut to admit anything. Shame on you.
11:22 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Here comes the…..but, but, but, it’s all Japanese! argument again.
Can you learn?
11:21 am August 17, 2012
@ Hirohito wrote:
I’m sorry. You must be S. Korean. Your behavior of disguising yourself like someone else so you don’t need to take any responsibility proves you to be S. Korean.
Case closed.
11:20 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
In 1905, Japanese government claimed territorial right of Takeshima, then officially belonged to Japanese territory.
No country disagreed at that time.
After WWII, Korea requested United Nations to exclude Takeshima from Japanese territory.
United Nations denied because Takeshima had never claimed territorial right and never belonged by Korea.
In the Treaty of Peace, it clearly stated that Takeshima belongs to Japan.
The Treaty of Peace with Japan (commonly known as the Treaty of San Francisco or San Francisco Peace Treaty), between Japan and part of the Allied Powers, was officially signed by 48 nations on September 8, 1951, at the War Memorial Opera House in San Francisco, United States. It came into force on April 28, 1952.
However, on January 18, 1952, (during after sighed that treaty in september 1951, and it came into effect on April 28, 1952)
the South Korean President Rhee sent Korean Coast Guard to the islets and has occupied the area without any legal consent with Japan nor UN. Also Korean Government sent two Korean citizens to the isllets – an octopus fisherman and his wife – as permanent residents on the islets. A small Korean police detachment, administrative personnel, and lighthouse staff are stationed on the islets.
Koreans are ignoring The Treaty of Peace with Japan and United Nations.
They are just thieves that could not understand what Treaty is!
By the way, Did you know that Korean soccer coach gave a political poster to player?
Great team work!
ttp://www.olympic.org/Documents/olympic_charter_en.pdf
In Olympic Charter page 91 says;
“No kind of demonstration or political, religious or racial propaganda is permitted in
any Olympic sites, venues or other areas.”
ttp://s1-02.twitpicproxy.com/photos/large/637231997.jpg?key=12001800
That is so against to the Olympic Charter.
Getting away of Korean military service?
Fantastic Patriotism!
If you want to change topic to Raising sun flag ?
ttp://livedoor.blogimg.jp/ko_jo/imgs/7/0/7045409c.jpg
ttp://livedoor.blogimg.jp/ko_jo/imgs/a/9/a96c4813.jpg
Is he a player in the field?
and Japanese?
Raising Sun flag is still used by Japanse self-defense Force.
It is not prohibited using raising sun flag at all!
11:19 am August 17, 2012
@Hirohito wrote:
You sir have the facts wrong! Hirohito wasn’t the evil one running the Japanese military war machine although he bears some responsibility…he was actually the sensible one and more of a figurehead than somebody who had real power. Certain right wing military factions, the military elite in the Japanese military machine were the true mercenaries and hardliners responsible for so much misery.
11:18 am August 17, 2012
@ Ron wrote:
IOC already heard about the uniform complain and they stated there is no problem with it.
It is not worth investigation.
And, of course, you’ll hear the cry from S Korean that it is so unfair.
The Rising Sun Flag is offensive toward many Asian, include China, who does not like Japan at all, but they did not join the argument abour the uniform from S. Korean. Don’t that tell you something.
11:16 am August 17, 2012
Osaka48 wrote:
As @@JK mentioned, the morally weak ROK team didn’t mention anything about the Japan “rising sun” flag until after the “incident.” The IOC didn’t make any issue out of Japan’s flag in ANY Olympic event…indeed it is NOT AN ISSUE at all and any Korean “issue” over this is based on racism and ongoing Korean teaching of HATRED in their country. There is no such ongoing, structured teaching of hatred against Korea in Japan. Korea should ask itself if their ONGOING HATE campaign to Korean school children is productive. What can be gained by this state-approved program?
11:14 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
And a Japanese has a computer that only can write English???
WOW, btw, do you have a brain?
11:12 am August 17, 2012
Ron@Anonymous wrote:
My personal opinion is that it really doesn’t matter…if the Japanese gymnasts didn’t have on those uniforms, SKs would be complaining about something else, However, the uniforms are interestingly similar to the Rising Sun flag. I do, however, not believe they were a representation of Japanese Imperialism and I do believe that Park’s holding of the sign was a deliberate political and Pro-Korean/anti-Japanese statement.If SKs want to be taken seriously by the int’l community, they should at least admit this…the excuses are painfully inadequate and childish.
11:11 am August 17, 2012
@ Hirohito wrote:
You can’t even write Japanese with Kanji and Hirakana?
Who are you really?
11:06 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Think this way. If you try to design a uniform, using ‘sunrise’ as a theme, what would you do?
Even you have never seen the ‘Rising Sun Flag’, the sun on many pictures is a red dot with rays…What else can you do?
The problem is, if you happens to be a Japanese, then you’re “intentionally” trying to offend S. Korean. If you happens to be non-Japanese….or no, You MUST be lying about it.
11:02 am August 17, 2012
@@JK wrote:
Another interesting fact, is that the S. Korean did not complain about the uniform until IOC questioned about Park’s sign.
Interesting.
Any explaination from S. Korean?
11:00 am August 17, 2012
@Common Sense. Try it. wrote:
The clear thing is, JAPANESE WON’T HOLD A SIGN LIKE THAT IN THOSE SITUATION, NEVER. Don’t make fool of us.
10:58 am August 17, 2012
@JK wrote:
I checked out the gymnastic uniforms and I checked out the rising sun flag and I will say, it is interesting. I’m not convinced that it is the same as the lines in the flag are straight and those in the uniform aren’t…however, there is a similarity. I tried to count the lines…as the flag has 16 rays, but I couldn’t get a complete view of a whole outfit to accurately count. So, as an outsider…lets just say that right now it’s an interesting possibility…BUT the Park event in my mind has no question rerlated to it.
10:56 am August 17, 2012
Justice human wrote:
London Olympics: South Korean footballers displayed a flag with a political message
The International Olympic Committee has asked South Korea officials for “an explanation” after one of their players displayed a flag with a political message “Dokdo is our territory” during the match against Japan in the Olympic football games.
Several hours before the match, the president Lee Myung-bak visited islets which are disputed territory between the two countries. The visit prompted Japan to recall its ambassador from Seoul.
The match in Cardiff was seen as potentially raising diplomatic tensions and, in the event, a South Korea flag with a slogan supporting sovereignty of the islands was reportedly displayed on the field.
Fifa had already said it will investigate the incident and now the IOC has also intervened. A statement from the organisation said: “we have opened an inquiry and have asked the [South Korean Olympic committee] for an explanation.”
Fifa said it was “made aware of this incident” and its disciplinary panel chairman will study pictures from the stadium. The governing body’s statutes prohibit political statements at matches.
10:55 am August 17, 2012
Justice human wrote:
London Olympics: South Korean footballers displayed a flag with a political message
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFuAkNrN7c&feature=autoplay&list=UUYuQmSu3yPjkKxLj96zn-wg&playnext=1
The International Olympic Committee has asked South Korea officials for “an explanation” after one of their players displayed a flag with a political message “Dokdo is our territory” during the match against Japan in the Olympic football games.
Several hours before the match, the president Lee Myung-bak visited islets which are disputed territory between the two countries. The visit prompted Japan to recall its ambassador from Seoul.
The match in Cardiff was seen as potentially raising diplomatic tensions and, in the event, a South Korea flag with a slogan supporting sovereignty of the islands was reportedly displayed on the field.
Fifa had already said it will investigate the incident and now the IOC has also intervened. A statement from the organisation said: “we have opened an inquiry and have asked the [South Korean Olympic committee] for an explanation.”
Fifa said it was “made aware of this incident” and its disciplinary panel chairman will study pictures from the stadium. The governing body’s statutes prohibit political statements at matches.
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http://www.olympic.org/Documents/olympic_charter_en.pdf
10:51 am August 17, 2012
@Expatriculate wrote:
There is updated information that the whole event was planned by the Korean soccer association.
If that is true, his teammate should be punshied as well.
They have the opportunity to join him for the 2-year service
10:49 am August 17, 2012
@SKs wrote:
Give it up, nobody sees the event from your point of view except for South koreans. Isn’t that obvious? Are there ANY comments on here by ‘westerners” supporting the south Korean point of view? No doubt you think we are likely “Japanese disguising ourselves as westerners”, but I think that speaks more to your mind states than reality. We want to cheer for you really, but you’re making it hard. Show good sportsmanship or don’t come to International sporting events!! from an Aussie!
10:47 am August 17, 2012
Expatriculate wrote:
Dok-do doesn’t matter, the medal doesn’t matter.
But if this kid loves his country so much, he really shouldn’t be exempted from military service. Let him serve his country for the 2 years every other young Korean man (except his teammates, unfortunately) has to.
10:46 am August 17, 2012
@ JY Kim wrote:
“The online English edition of the Asahi Shimbun quoted officials as saying the new uniforms “symbolize the dynamism of the rising sun and the beauty of the brilliance at dawn.”
You see, it’s “rising sun and the beauty of the brillance at dawn” as a nature event, not a captialized “the Rising Sun Flag” as the related flag. The desinger never once mentioned the flag.
So you’re saying that Japan cannot design anything with the sun? even if that’s in their national flag as well?
And, all of these has nothing to do with Park’s behavior. Have IOC investigate them all.
Apparently, you don’t understand English….I feel so sad for you.
10:44 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Don’t you know that the world has moved on from WWII? that your current behavior is more important than the history before your birth? that using past history and demanding special treatment is useless?
The world is watching you.
10:43 am August 17, 2012
JY Kim wrote:
Go and see with your eyes what kind of uniforms the Japanese gymnasts wore: http://japandailypress.com/courting-controversy-olympic-uniform-resembled-rising-sun-flag-149097
The designer did mention that the uniforms symbolized the rising sun.
10:40 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Man, you Koreans are absolutely shameless aren’t you?
10:37 am August 17, 2012
@JYC wrote:
Nobody agrees with you. I’m not Japanese and I don’t nor does the IOC! grow up!
10:35 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Ungrateful Koreans
10:34 am August 17, 2012
@JY wrote:
A, If it turns out that the gymnasts were wearing uniforms that represented thre rising sun, then yeah, penalize them too.
B. The fans have a different standard than athletes who take an oath to not politicize the Olympics, so that’s not relative nor have I seen any proof that Japanese fans were holding up these flags (pictures please).
C. Park picked up the sign and ran around with it. He’s guilty , no argument! If an Australian held up a positive sign supporting a political candidate back home, then that’s political too. or if a japanese athlete held up a Takeshima sign that would not be ok too.
10:33 am August 17, 2012
@ JY KIM wrote:
And your intelligence can not help you judge what “political’ is unless IOC states in the policy that “a sign about ‘Dokdo’ written in Korean” is not allowed in Olympic?
And IOC can only ban something that is described that specific? Are you going to pay for publishing it?
Even then, unless it is written in Korean, you’re going to argue that you cannot understand English, so it is “unintenitonal”, right?
10:32 am August 17, 2012
Galaxy Tab for DOKDO wrote:
Is Samsung, a Korean company and a sponsor of the Olympics, planning to release a special version of Galaxy Tab for the Olympics?
Samsung GALAXY Tab 2, London 2012 Summer Olympics version (GALAXY Tab 2 for DOKDO):
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10:29 am August 17, 2012
@ Ron wrote:
‘I didn’t see any Japanese holding the Rising Sun flag, but I did see S. koreans holding up signs praising the ’11 tsunami’
Because you’re normal. Not paranoid delusional like some others, who become panic every morning when they see the sunrise because it reminds them about the Rising Sun Flag.
10:29 am August 17, 2012
JY Kim wrote:
Let’s assume that a sign prepared by a student among the audience, written in Korean and carried by Jong-Woo Park AFTER the soccer match was so intentional and influential enough to be political. How about the Imperial Flag themed uniforms that the Japanese gymnasts wore DURING the ENTIRE play or the Imperial Flag that the Japanese audience was waving in the stadium? The sign about “Dok-do” written in Korean was never banned from the Olympics, but the Japanese Imperial Flag that reminds many Asians of the cruel war crimes committed by the Japanese WAS BANNED at the previous Olympics. THINK before you add any comment or participate in the poll.
10:25 am August 17, 2012
@JS from Ron wrote:
I didn’t see any Japanese holding the Rising Sun flag, but I did see S. koreans holding up signs praising the ’11 tsunami. I also saw articles about S. Korean fans raiding Swiss soccer players facebook accounts and posting humiliating remarks about his family. Talk about bad sportsmanship mate!
10:24 am August 17, 2012
@ JS wrote:
>Park’s spontaneous act holding the picket containing Dokdo, as a Korean territory symbol, should be regarded as an athlete rejoicing in his team’s victory
And per international standard, this sentence is valid only if a Japanese player holds a sign stating ‘Takeshima is ours’ is judged as an athlete rejoicing in his team’s victory as well.
10:21 am August 17, 2012
JS wrote:
@Ron M.
Please Guide the IOC to Grant Park Jong-Woo the Bronze Medal
I would like to request the FIFA to make a reasonable decision on behalf of Park Jong-Woo, a Korean soccer player. His team won the bronze medal in the 2012 Olympics. However, due to the IOC’s uninformed interpretation of Park’s celebratory act, his medal is deferred. Unlike the Japanese accusation, Park’s spontaneous act holding the picket containing Dokdo, as a Korean territory symbol, should be regarded as an athlete rejoicing in his team’s victory. Korea was freed from Japan on August 15, 1945. Since the Olympic Games took place in August, around the same time as Korea’s freedom from Japan, Park felt proud that he had won his freedom all over again. Accordingly, his action does not convey any political message, but rather feelings of elation. It was not a political statement, because his holding the picket was obviously not planned in advance, and it was written in Korean for Korean people! Ironically, contrary to Japan’s own accusation about Park’s celebration, they are the ones who manipulated this incident to politicize the Olympic Games to draw people’s attention for their political purpose. Another method of politicizing the Olympic Games is explicitly revealed in the Japanese gymnasts’ uniforms, which incorporate the design of the Rising Sun Flag. More importantly, this Rising Sun flag was displayed throughout the Olympic Games, even though the Japanese were warned not to display the flag in the 2008 Beijing Olympics. According to Deputy Chancellor Middleton from the University of Missouri at Columbia, “Using the [Rising Sun] flag would be as offensive to some as a Nazi swastika to Jewish people or a rebel flag to blacks” accordingly, the Japanese have consistently politicized the Olympics. Thus, I feel that holding back Park’s medal is an act in support of Japan’s independent political practice. Similarly, if the FIFA as well as the IOC approaches Park’s celebration as the Japanese do, then the FIFA itself indirectly supports Japan’s political practice. I am confident that this is an oversight on FIFA’s part, and that FIFA did not intend to uphold Japan’s despicable political practices. Therefore, I respectfully request the FIFA to guide the IOC to stop supporting the Japanese political practices by conferring on Park Jong-Woo his rightfully earned Olympic medal. This way, the pure joy and excitement of sportsmanship can be kept in the Olympic Games. Please refer to the links for the related articles below for further information. Thank you for your time regarding this matter.
Protest against the Use of the Rising Sun Flag in Any Sports Game
As Okamura reported in Reuters, any use of the Rising Sun flag or its symbol would be recognized as a political offense Japan was warned against its use during the Beijing Olympic Games in 2008. Responding to the warning, Norio Saito, a Beijing Embassy official, acknowledged the message, and the Japanese embassy publically discouraged Japanese tourists from showing these items because they carry with them the agony of WWII, just as Nazi symbols remind us. Unfortunately, the Japanese disregarded this warning in the 2012 Olympics. As the designer Hiroko Koshino stated in the Asahi, Japan newspaper, Japanese gymnasts’ uniforms were deliberately designed from the Rising Sun flag to promote the political message of Japanese imperialism. Also, in spite of the previous warning, Japanese sports fans again displayed the Rising Sun flag throughout the Olympics, including during soccer games. Shockingly, there was no adequate judgment or punishment for it. On the contrary, the UEFA recently punished the German Football Association for their fans displaying offensive “neo-Nazi” flag. Deputy Chancellor Middleton from University of Missouri at Columbia noted in his article in Columbus Daily Tribune, “Using the [Rising Sun] flag would be as offensive to some as a Nazi swastika to Jewish people or a rebel flag to blacks.” If the rising sun flag delivers a political statement that is as offensive as a Nazi flag, then as the German Football Associate was punished, so too should the Japanese soccer team and association. Thus, I strongly request the FIFA to ensure that the IOC takes action to fairly judge and to follow up with a fair consequence to the Japanese soccer team. Furthermore, please make sure that the Rising Sun Flag, in whole or in part, should never be allowed to be displayed in any sports game again. Please refer to the links for the related articles below for further information. Thank you for your time regarding this matter.
Japan Fans Warned Not to Fly Naval Flag
10:18 am August 17, 2012
@Hitler from Ron wrote:
Whew, glad this isn’t political!! Because for a second there…the whole Park holding up the Dokdo sign and it being an “innocent” spur of the moment act was starting to convince me. I guess it is and was political right?
10:15 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
And we never learned the history right until now.
Hitler is a S. Korean.
WOW.
10:11 am August 17, 2012
Ron M. wrote:
You know anonymous I am NOT Japanese…(I’m Australian) and I agree with you mate. The whole argument for Park seems to always come back to …but, but, but…the Japanese. Is that all you SKs can say? I’d love to hear a logical agument instead of a bunch of nonsense like “Parks picking up the sign wasn’t political” then proceed to explain in the subsequent 3 paragraphs the politics between S.K. and Japan. God, are you guys that dense? SKs you contradict yourself time and time again, please provide some rational arguments so the rest of us can follow your argument!!
10:09 am August 17, 2012
@ pineapple wrote:
Please stop judging others based on what you would act if it happens to you.
10:06 am August 17, 2012
pineapple wrote:
They are just upset that they lost the soccer match.. sore losers!
10:04 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I’ll vote for revoke the right for S Korea to host Winter Olympic, and not allowing them to host in the future, until they prove that they not only can understand it, but can actually follow it.
10:01 am August 17, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
No-medal for not only Park but also all players of Korean soccer team!
More important than anything else, Korea soccer team MUST NOT ATTEND the Olympic event FOREVER,
because noone of Korean team could understand the Olympic spirits and rules.
If someone understood the Olympic sprits, someone of Korean soccer team must have stopped Park’s performance.
10:00 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
All I’m reading here from Koreans are “but but but but.. the Japanese!”.
Also, this.
http://shinjihi.tumblr.com/post/29414883499
It’s no news tho. In a interview they openly admitted they had a plan for it.
9:58 am August 17, 2012
@CommonSense from Ron wrote:
What an incoherent string of thoughts. What are you saying? Don’t answer that…God, learn to write!
9:57 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The so-called ‘history’ drama was a laugh because of the effort on how it tried to exclude all the Chinese influence from the drama.
But Korea (and most of the Asia) was under Chinese influence at the time, as a historical fact.
9:55 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
>Common Sense. Try it.
Right back at ya.
9:54 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The controversy was between S. Korea and IOC (and the world who supports Olympic oath), not between S. Korea and Japan.
If you can’t see it, you’re deceiving yourself.
I’m not Japanese, I’m American.
9:52 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The Korean post about the Korean player helped a Japanese player after the game, and stated that he has good Sportsmanship.
However, a player has good sportsmanship only when he follows ALL guideline, including the Olympic oath, not picking and choosing whatever he wants to follow.
That argument itself, prove how poor the S. Korean’s judgment is. They think they can deceive the world, but they are doing a very poor job.
9:49 am August 17, 2012
Common Sense. Try it. wrote:
W o W.
ok honestly i agree he should not have held that up because of the controversy/anger/riot it could bring.
but this is seriously an overreaction. To strip him of the medal he won? not even by himself, as a TEAM.
FIRST OF ALL the Japanese people should encourage their own soccer team. The saddest thing was watching the Japanese players spread out, sitting down in disappointment, no one making an effort to cheer everyone up. Then they get all this ‘come back in economy class’ hate. They know. They don’t need you telling them how disappointing it was to lose in this game. This was a game, not some war. Calm down.
Secondly, if Japan had won and held a sign saying that the land is theirs, would there be this much controversy? No, definitely not. and you all know it. Sure Koreans might be angry, and argue against it, but it’s not like the IOC would actually strip a player of his medal. Be honest with yourself aka try to look past your denial.
So would everyone calm down and just give it to him? trying to fight against it makes you look desperate and pitiful. Have some dignity and stop fighting over this. It’s not even like giving him the medal would mean giving the land to Korea…
*to the anon who mentioned Korean historical drama- OF COURSE THE DRAMA IS NOT 100% ACCURATE it’s called a DRAMA for a reason and not a DOCUMENTARY. EVERYONE KNOWS it’s stretched to add suspense/thrill/emotion to the drama. only an IDIOT would claim it’s accurate or think people will believe every part of it is accurate.
for the rest: IF YOU DON’T KNOW YOU DON’T FREAKING KNOW. stop complaining ‘oh our history is accurate~~. their’s is all fake~~’ if you don’t even freaking know yourself. seriously.
9:44 am August 17, 2012
Olympic Spirit wrote:
Anti-Japanese policy is an incurable desease in Korea. Anti-Japanese brainwashing education is still going on there.
In 1910, Japan annexed Korea LEGALLY by REQUEST FROM KOREA which was in fear of Russia’s coming south.
In 36 years annexation, Japan set slaves free in Korea. As a result of sanitation management and agricultural advice, the population in Korea increased from 13million in1910 to 25million in1942. Average life span increased explosively from 24 to 56 years. 6000 schools were built, people were educated, therefore the literacy rate went up from less than 10% to 65% till 1936. Railroads,hospitals, bridges, dam, electric power and more.
And everything was finished in 1965 by Treaty on Basic Relations between Japan and the Republic of Korea.
This is the true story. I know this is off topic, sorry, but I couldn’t stand Koreans lies.
9:37 am August 17, 2012
Ron M., I'm Australian wrote:
South Korean nationals, after the soccer game against the Swiss, got into the swiss players Facebook and posted horrible things about his family all because of a soccer game. Thousands of posts, a netizen blitz! The Swiss player reacts on Twitter and makes prejudicial remarks against S. Koreans and is then kicked out of the Olympics (as he should have been, as athletes should be above that). However, what other country does that? Who else antagonizes people over national sporting events more than S. Koreans? .Raids other international athletes social media? S. Korea has done this time and time again with judges and athletes. Nobody displays worse sportsmanship than SK and they want us to listen to their rants about Japan??They scream about anything that is remotely anti-Korean and at the same time make it a habit to defame, humiliate, and chastise other athletes from other countries. Shame on you and you owe the int’l community an apology. The world is watching…we’re fed up and disgusted…if you can’t behave like civilized people, don’t come to the Olympics!Stay home! Cry and rant about the Japanese and how unfair judges are in your own country!
9:33 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
WOW, if the board was prepared by the KFA, the whole S. Korean team should be punished.
And aren’t KFA officially stating it’s come from a “fan”, KFA should be banned from international games for lying.
9:25 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
If you know this, you may change your mind.
http://shinjihi.tumblr.com/post/29414883499
The board was prepared by the KFA(Korea Football Association) men.
9:14 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
No one has yet answered my question.
If the Japanese uniform was such a problem, why complain about it 2 weeks later?
Why not right there, right then when they were performing gymnastics on stage?
9:09 am August 17, 2012
@나쁜 놈들 wrote:
So obvious that the uniform issue is only brought up as a childish attempt to counter argue. If the uniform is that evocative of the Rising Sun Flag, why haven’t Korea complained earlier? The South Korean team have competed against Japanese wearing that outfit, saw them win medals in it, being broadcast with it, and completed 9 days of gymnastics competition. Yet, there wasn’t any accusation.
Park got caught out, and suddenly it becomes controversial? Get the f out of here.
Give me an URL of Korean forum thread that was heatedly bashing the design prior to Aug 13. Give me an article condemning this ‘atrocity’ that was published prior to the football game.
You guys are like unrepentant little brat fabricating a story and going “but look at what Mikey did!” just to get you off the hook. GROW UP
9:06 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I agreed that Japanese history text book is distorted, especially around WWII.
But Korean history text book is plain fantasy, especially before WWII. Just watch the TV drama, which they claimed it’s “history” makes me laugh.
The sadist thing is that they actually believe it, and no one is taking any initiate to make more research. The real research, such as digging up documentation that was written in the same era (including foreign ones), not the “history” being written several hundreds later to satify an enlarged ego, or the research that is being done by supposed ‘Professor’ who claims the world itself is originated from Korea.
The Korean wrote on many posts that we do not know Japanese or Korean history.
They don’t either.
8:57 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
> Nazi Germany murdered, raped, and tortured Jews and others in various concentration camps. I believe Korea has never done such an act,
Ummmm, the massacre in Vietnam? Didn’t you SK government teachl you about that?
8:30 am August 17, 2012
Ashra wrote:
IOC requested all-round gymnastic gold medalist, Kohei Okumura to donate his uniform
for Olympic Museum in Lausanne, Switzerland.
Source is http://www.sanspo.com/london2012/news/20120809/gym12080905240001-n2.html
(Sorry in Japanese language. Korean better confirm IOC immediately.)
I think no one need to discuss with Japan’s gymnastic uniform.
8:24 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The design of “Taegeukgi” came from China, however, although Korean denies it. It is well-documented in Chinese history, but of course, no Korean will admit that.
8:22 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Give Park his medal. There’s been an overreaction to the incident. 72%
That’s the reality quit whining. This wasn’t pre-planned. He just grabbed one of the sign some korean fan gave him after the game was over and just ran with it. At best, it was a friendly jab just like how the Americans always bring up pearl harbor whenever they beat Japanese in a sports game. Back in world baseball classic and recently in women’s soccer final lol
Someone already posted a video of Park trying to cheer up the Japanese player after the game was over. Clearly, he has nothing against the Japanese. Quit getting ass hurt over a stupid game. This wasn’t something Park has preplanned to send a political message. It wasn’t the smartest move but Japanese are clearly overreacting.
Also quit generalizing Korean people like they all think the same. The ones with the victim mentality are democratic supporter and they are in the minority. They are communist supporter and hate everyone including all the Koreans that don’t support them. They own the internet just like how the Japanese rightist Otaku nerds own the Japanese net but in real life and come the election day they always lose to the conservative party.
Most koreans and saneuri party supporter don’t give a shit about Japanese nor post in the internet. I’m one of the few that post regularly in the internet and I always get outnumbered by democRATS 1 to 20 in any type of argument. This is reality so instead of stereotyping the entire nation over some trivial incident I suggest you guys worry about your own irrational rightist group in yahoo.co.jp and 2ch. It’s pot calling kettle black. They sound like bunch of cavemen that have never been outside of their house. They come up with some of the dumbest conspiracy theories ever. They go hand in hand with the Korean democrats. It takes two to tango remember that.
8:12 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
In Japanese, “Rising Sun Flag” is “Kyokuzitu-ki (旭日旗）”, and sunrise is “Hi-ga-noboru(日が昇る)”. Koshino Hiroko, designer of the uniforms, said “Hi-ga-noboru”. If you can read Japanese, you can understand there is no nuance of Rising Sun Flag from her message.
http://www.asahi.com/sports/update/0511/TKY201205110578.html
8:02 am August 17, 2012
Katie@ Katie ^^ wrote:
Thank you for your reply to my request!
First of all, I believe answering logically is the best way to consider what is right or wrong. On the other hand, claiming emotionally depends on people who have different cultural backgrounds. That’s why international debates or essay writing (such as tested in TOEFL test etc..) respects its logic. Emotional answers are not convincing if listeners have no mutual backgrounds with speakers
Therefore, I don’t comment on your statement staring from “So now”. That is your individual impression. I cannot quibble with your thought. I would like to respect freethought.(Both Korean governments do not seem to look up to the value. South Koreans who have favorable comments on Japan are taken into jail under the law of 일제강점하 반민족행위 진상규명에 관한 특별법)
Anyway, I would like to tell you about your LOGICAL answers to my questions.
You said on my first quesion:” Because IOC’s rule of not associating politics in the game, Park did wrong to hold up the sign which had relation to politics as he did not keep to the rule.”
I’m afraind but you don’t answer my question with the same as others.
Could you read my questions again? Why do Koreans claim the IOC members should be lenient to Park’s performance even though there is possibility of making a precedent that allows athletes to reveal their political messages? Your answer is not appropriate to the question.
The second is more pathetic…
“Will Koreans abolish Taegeukgi? Who knows? They might or they might not. Will Vietnamese ask Koreans not to use Taegeukgi in the first place? They might or they might not.”
I will teach you what is a logical answer. Logical answers should be a clear claim, based on the consistent reasonings that most readers or listeners think rational or reasonable.
You seems adept at English language. But you don’t know logic. With all due respect, I advise you to ask your native English teacher to teach you what is logic. Good Luck!
7:51 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
“The online English edition of the Asahi Shimbun quoted officials as saying the new uniforms “symbolize the dynamism of the rising sun and the beauty of the brilliance at dawn.”
You see, it’s “rising sun and the beauty of the brillance at dawn” as a nature event, not a captialized “the Rising Sun Flag” as the related flag. The desinger never once mentioned the flag.
So you’re saying that Japan cannot design anything with the sun? even if that’s in their national flag as well?
And, all of these has nothing to do with Park’s behavior. Have IOC investigate them all.
7:38 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Endless Tu quoque. Peace.
7:27 am August 17, 2012
ednakano wrote:
The board prepared by Korea football associateionstaff and given by them.
It means thos political demonstration planed by KFA.
All medal should be taken out form Korean team or/and Korean team suspend next olympic.
7:16 am August 17, 2012
@ Katie ^^ wrote:
KATIE, I don’t know what your intentions were to ask such questions in the first place. If you wanted logical not emotional answer to your question in the first place, you shouldn’t have asked your question in a provoking way using phrase such as “There seems to be NO BRAVE KOREANS…” Due to your way in which you asked your question (with emotion), koreans who read your questions can not help but be emotional when answering your question. As with your questions, they are worded in a way to target Koreans negatively but I will answer your questions the way you want it to be answered “logically”
1. Because IOC’s rule of not associating politics in the game, Park did wrong to hold up the sign which had relation to politics as he did not keep to the rule.
2. Will Koreans abolish Taegeukgi? Who knows? They might or they might not. Will Vietnamese ask Koreans not to use Taegeukgi in the first place? They might or they might not.
So now, I want to tell you something and i want to do it WITH EMOTION.
As a person, when looking at Park, whether he is Japanese, Korean, African or American, I feel sorry for him. As an athlete myself, I know how one feels after winning a game, especially if it’s a real important one with medal at stake. After winning, you can’t help but become super excited and you can’t think as logical as before. I believe that it was this moment when Park took the political sign from a fan saying “Dokdo is our land.” I am not saying that “political message can be permitted as long as they may say it’s out of overjoy” but that as a fellow human being, I can’t help but sympathize for him because due to this incident, years and years of his hard effort; all the sweat and tears that fell down, became nothing.
Another point that I would like to address is that you generalized Koreans and said that “I hope there is a Korean who can do , not raving against Japanese off the deep end?” But instead of demanding and trying to find that one korean who doesn’t rave against Japanese off the deep end you should question what caused such a scar in Korean people’s hearts that is making them emotional when it comes to Dokdo or Japanese in general? (And the thing to note here is that some young people nowadays don’t even care about the past anymore; marrying Japanese, having a Japanese friend as a best friend etc…) By asking such question, Japanese can understand Koreans and help the pain to heal which still resides in the hearts of many Koreans.
With your second question, I can see that you tried to make a parallel by putting Korea in Japan’s shoes but such parallel doesn’t work because Koreans didn’t colonize Vietnam whereas Japan colonized Korea for 35 years. (Korea only participated in the Vietnam War.) If Korean SOLDIERS did wrong during the Vietnam WAR, then these soldiers should be punished. Likewise, if it’s possible, it would be appropriate that all the Japanese people living in Korea at the time who did wrong; not only the Soldiers and governing officials but all Japanese citizens who did wrong to Koreans should be punished as well according to their crime. And I believe that when Korean people are saying things about Japanese flag, they are referring to the OLD Japanese flag that Japan had when they conquered Korea. That old Jap. flag is already gone and Japan already have a new one so why use the old? I don’t know what the reason is behind it but they should not forget that to some people, it can bring back painful memories; like a girl getting reminded of being raped – something that can’t be forgotten no matter how hard she tries.
7:01 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The time is now ripe to finally settle the territorial dispute and conclude a peace treaty between Japan and South Korea. Both should go to the International Court of Justice.
6:55 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The Rising Sun Flag nor The Chinese book have nothing to do with Park.
You guys should talk about those in other places.
6:31 am August 17, 2012
ugh wrote:
Geez, just give him the medal. Japanese had the Rising Sun Flag, I don’t see anyone getting banned because of that. I’m not surprised with this heated controversy, but I’m more disgusted with some ignorant Americans who have wrote really insensitive comments regarding Koreans, Japanese, and other groups like the Chinese as “overreacting” and being overly nationalistic. If you didn’t take history in college (or never learned about what happened) I highly recommend Iris Chang’s the Rape of Nanking for reading. Please don’t bad-mouth Asians if you don’t even know what happened. It makes us Americans (I’m only bashing on Americans because I myself am American and it embarrasses me) only look stupid and uneducated.
6:23 am August 17, 2012
나쁜 놈들 wrote:
Controversy is flaring after it was belatedly learned that Japanese athletes at the London Olympics appeared in competition – and even on the medal stand – wearing uniforms that resembled the rising sun flag, a symbol of the country’s imperialist past.
Some observers are raising questions of fairness, noting that the International Olympic Committee took no action on the Japanese uniforms at a time when Park Jong-woo, a member of South Korea’s Olympic football team, faces the possibility of losing a medal after holding up a placard reading “Dokdo is Our land” following his team’s victory over Japan in the bronze medal match.
Japanese gymnasts won one gold and silver each in men’s individual events at the London games, and a silver in the team event. Their uniforms were developed by the noted Japanese designer Hiroko Koshino. The online English edition of the Asahi Shimbun quoted officials as saying the new uniforms “symbolize the dynamism of the rising sun and the beauty of the brilliance at dawn.”
The “rising sun” image, which shows 16 rays of sunlight radiating around a red sun, first appeared in the 1870s, at a time when the country was rapidly moving toward militarism. It was later used as the flag of the Japanese army and navy. A variant showing eight rays rather than sixteen was used as a symbol for the military in general during the Pacific War in the 1940s. The country also referred to this as the “flag of greater East Asia,” having started the war with the stated goal of forming a “Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.”
The United Nations forces banned use of the flag after Japan’s 1945 defeat, but the country established a sixteen-ray version as a banner when launching its Maritime Self-Defense Force in 1952, at the time of the Korean War. The eight-ray version has been used as a flag for the Ground Self-Defense Force.
Within Japan, the rising sun flag is widely understood to symbolize imperialism. During the Beijing Olympics in 2008, the Japan Government recommended that tourists not bring it with them when they visited the city. A Reuters article from the time quoted an embassy official as saying, “We explain in a safety guideline for Japanese tourists coming to see the Olympics that the old military flag may cause trouble.”
6:16 am August 17, 2012
I'm Korean wrote:
ANd here is the explanation about the flag.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_Sun_Flag
6:15 am August 17, 2012
I'm Korean wrote:
Here is the article that Japanese uniform.
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/sports/topics/AJ201205120041
6:14 am August 17, 2012
I'm Korean wrote:
I don’t know why this comment is not posted. I’m posting again.
Here is the link explaning about the flag and Japanese uniform motivated by that flag.
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/sports/topics/AJ201205120041
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_Sun_Flag
6:11 am August 17, 2012
I'm Korean wrote:
Here is the link that Japanese uniform motif is that rising sun flag.
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/sports/topics/AJ201205120041
ANd here is the wikipedia explaining that flag.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_Sun_Flag
6:08 am August 17, 2012
I'm Korean @ 2 cents. wrote:
You are using that word “maybe” …. But as Hawaii is not Japan’s, Dokdo is not Japan’s. Your thinking looks very rational BUT it’s not the truth…. WE Koreans have a lot of proofs about it. There are also Japanese Scholars who admit that Dokdo is Korean territory. BUt just like you, there are so many people that thinking like if Japan keep saying that that is theirs, is there any reason? and they don’t think any more. they don’t look for it through the history. That’s what Japan wants. THen if Korean’s are not doing anythig about it, what could happen? Japanese (government) are using their power and money to make it sense to the world. We, Korea, just developing country didn’t have a power like that. ANd I’m so embarrsed but it’s true that we don’t have very sophisticated diplomatic abilities since we were heading to get out of the poverty. But I believe that from now on, Korea will be changed in this area too. As a new generation, I saw the amaizng possiblities in Korea. The reason I comment here is that I cannot stand anymore of Japan’s ridiculous dispute. And I hope more people can noticed about Dokdo and our history.
And I was thinking that you 2 cents are very rational. but I don’t agree that if the criminal is dead, the case is over. What about Justice then?
5:50 am August 17, 2012
I'm Korean wrote:
Yes, he broke the rule. THat ‘s why he couldn’t be in the medal ceremony. I know and agree with that.
5:49 am August 17, 2012
pola wrote:
Takeshima (Dokdo) is Japan’s territory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpW6B-qDWcc
5:49 am August 17, 2012
2 cents wrote:
The war is over of course!! BUt I told you that JApan is trying to steal our territory!!
Is it possible, that just as your countrymen feel strongly that Dokdo is yours, that the japanese feel equally that it is theirs? So, maybe they don’t think they are “stealing” it, maybe they think it belongs to them. Is that possible?
And if the people is dead who make a crime, is it over?
Unfortunatley yes!
5:49 am August 17, 2012
Katie wrote:
Part of my last comment: “Japan has been facing the reality and regained the trust by international society” will be feared to receive knit-picking criticism by Koreans. I would like to present the objective evidence by the third party: http://www.globescan.com/images/images/pressreleases/bbc2012_country_ratings/2012_bbc_country%20rating%20final%20080512.pdf
This document was compiled by BBC World Service, on which Japan has thankfully the most positive votes.
This shows how Japan has been taking active parts as a token of its repentance to contribute world peace and help overcome global issues in the international society.
5:48 am August 17, 2012
@I'm Korean wrote:
Park is not blamed by that he don’t have the sportsmanship.
I believe that he is a gereat soccor player with great sportmanship.
But, now he is blamed because he broke the Olympic Charter and there is no excuse about it.
5:47 am August 17, 2012
I'm Korean wrote:
This is the photo their Rising sun flag was showing in the Olympic match.
http://i.imgur.com/ALCQ1.jpg
And this is the JApanese site about the flag which is showing their design motive is from that flag
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/sports/topics/AJ201205120041
ANd this is the wikipedia site about that flag.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_Sun_Flag
5:33 am August 17, 2012
I'm Korean wrote:
this is the link you can see that Japanese flag was prohibited in Beiijing Olympic and this is the Japanese site.
http://www.japanprobe.com/2008/08/08/japan-fans-warned-about-rising-sun-flag/
5:24 am August 17, 2012
I'm Korean wrote:
Here is the youtube which Park is helping Japanese soccer player after the olympic match.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6khvpZMqws
He made mistake to waving the sign but he is not the guy who doesn’t know what ‘s the sportsmanship.
5:20 am August 17, 2012
Katie wrote:
Unfortunately, I am sure there is no Koreans who can answer my above two question logically, not emotionally.
I have had a strong idea that Koreans are smart because they overcome the 1998 severe economic situation since they failed and needed help from the IMF. But that is just my unreasonable stereotype.
Japan has been facing the reality and regained the trust by international society, except by China and two Koreas. Through the comments from Koreans, I have come home to the fact: Koreans cannot go ahead with the future. They always dig up the past whenever they feel inconvenient on Japanese matters without checking the past deals and treaty with Japan or what they did in the Vietnam War. I am afraid this controversy will spread messages which tell Koreans easily breach, neglect or pretend to forget promises if they face their uncomfortable situations.
I hope the new leader to come after President Lee’s resignation will rehabilitate such terrible Korean culture, society and practices.
5:18 am August 17, 2012
Rodney King wrote:
Can we all just get along?
5:17 am August 17, 2012
I'm Korean wrote:
The war is over of course!! BUt I told you that JApan is trying to steal our territory!! Imaging that they are asking that Hawaii is theirs! what would you feel? And if the people is dead who make a crime, is it over? The victim who don’t get any apology is still alive!!! I told you that I’m noa aiming the ordinary Japanese citizens. And even Park is not aiming the ordinary citizen. He was the guy who was helping the sad Japanese soccer player to stand up after the game.
5:16 am August 17, 2012
@@@Last Comment! wrote:
If someone brought the Rising Sun flag to the Olympics, I agree…throw them out. What I don’t see , however, or maybe I don’t know enough about the subject, is that Japanese people were waving them around or condoning that action. if so, show me a photo…and if they were, kick them out! If the gymnasts uniforms were modelled after the Rising Sun, and I’m not convinced they are simply because I don’t know enough about it, then there should be punishments as well. But that still doesn’t excuse SK from taking responsibility for the Dokdo sign.Right?
5:12 am August 17, 2012
korekorea wrote:
A Swiss football athlete was expelled from this Olympic game due to twitter privately about Korean football team.
This Korean guy demonstrating political issue in the Olympic studium also should be expelled.
political stance is not allowed in Olympic games.Korea is a joke. please read the unlikely expat…
5:11 am August 17, 2012
@Im Korean wrote:
I saw the site and pics…agreed, absolutely horrible stuff. I think japanese people agree! But those Japanese imperialist are long dead, they don’t exist anymore! If there is sentiment for that kind of imperialism in the Japanese government then by all means, fight it! However, modern Japanese, and especially ordinary citizens, had nothing to do with it. Americans had POWs in Japan tortured and killed, but I don’t hold modern Japanese people accountable for that! The people that committed that crime are gone…the war’s over!
5:08 am August 17, 2012
@@ last comment wrote:
It looks like childish…. But you know what? That flag was very noisy before. If you can ask to Chinese or east south asian friends, they will also have same emotional feelings about that flag. And actually, that flag was denied to be brought to Beiijing OLympic as the same reason. I want to ask you that if NAzzi flag are in the stadium, do you feel okay? If there is only one nation which is deeply wound and that nation is asking not to bring those war like flag to the sports stadium, is it childish to you? Did you visit the site I linked? When we saw that flag, we remind all of those scenes. Is it Childish?
5:02 am August 17, 2012
@Im Korean wrote:
” I think right now is the time we have to raise our voice to Japan regardless Park’s ceremony(which is punished even in Korea also). Since a lot of people here don’t understand Korean’s emotional behaviors”
Sir, we understand Korea’s emotional behavior, we just don’t agree with it!o offense, i completely get the pain & suffering part and the historical context and all of it, I just do NOT agree with the modern Korean reaction on how to best deal with it!! But thanks for sending that clip…and I will watch it!
5:01 am August 17, 2012
Katie@fourth"@Katie" wrote:
Koreans ask Japanese to learn history many times all the time.
But I would like you and other people to remind the fact: No Koreans commented on atrocities done by Korean army during the Vietnam War, which I have already been suggested. They do not face up to the fact that their fathers and grandfathers raped and killed Vietnamese people and abandoned so many orphans born though Korean solders raping. I think it is truly cowardly acts. It is because Koreans strongly voice and blame Japanese for their past misconducts while neglecting their own cruel acts on account of quiet and future-oriented Vietnamese people and society. I hope people around the world will recognize such Koreans’ hypocritical and cowardly nature.
4:58 am August 17, 2012
@Last Comment wrote:
I think you are talking to me. I’m an American and I agree with you is my point. Nobody mentioned the rising sun uniforms until SK was accused, not by the Japanese, but by the IOC of violating it’s code of ethics regarding politicizing events (the Park event)! Instead of owning responsibility for that violation they made a bunch of childish excuses up to dismiss it as a political event. Then SKs turned to their enemy, Japan, in a sort of immature finger pointing kind of way to say “We’re not bad, it’s Japan”. it’s their only response to any problem they have. It’s immature, irresponsible, and many outside of your country recognize that. If the Japanese did not have those gymnastic uniforms on the SKs would simply find something else to be disatisfied with: oh someone in the stands had a Japanese text book supporting war crimes in Korea, or he bowed disrespectfully towards Korea when he won his gold, or…you get the idea…a childish response. We too in the west are asking Korea to grow up!
4:58 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Corian die!∮∮
4:48 am August 17, 2012
To 2 Cents from I'm Korean. wrote:
Glad to hear that you have certain interests like finding it on Wikipedia. But their apology part is wrong. If we have to discuss about this thing, we should open the new forum here again.
Anyway, you are trying to understand our feelings like thinking 9/11. I agree that Korea has to protest to those supporting Japanese Imperialism and their sided government.
You said that we should consider right place, right time. I think right now is the time we have to raise our voice to Japan regardless Park’s ceremony(which is punished even in Korea also). Since a lot of people here don’t understand Korean’s emotional behaviors.
Maybe in here, there are so many people who starts to be interested in Japan and Korea’s historic problem.
If you’re interested in that, visit below, This is Korean website. I have to inform you that You’ll see very horrible pictures there taken during Japanese invasion time. They were really really savage. You could find the answer why Korean’s are still so emotional. I’m very sorry for linking this. But they did it to us. and STILL JAPAN WANT DOKDO BY DISTORTING THE TRUTH. PLS VISIT HERE!
http://m.cafe.daum.net/trot2000/Hn1z/787?docid=15DVY&q=&
I don’t want to make you guys upset. Actually, Koreans are upset. But I hope you guys are thinking and saying something which is so painful and vicious to somebody, you guys have to know the basic truth. Then you can judge, Then you can be rational. Park was against the rule but LISTEN, JAPAN ! DOKDO IS OURS.
4:46 am August 17, 2012
Katie@third"@Katie" wrote:
I am deeply sorry but I cannot understand your English…
i would like to quote your comment:
“If it was such a problem then why didn’t anyone mention it before the soccer?”
“terrific point! It seems clear here that S.K. has a knee jerk defense..if it wasn’t the uniforms they would be making a lot out of the “way” the Japanese bowed, There is no win in this situation.”
Tell me what’s your point…
4:45 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
This issue is completely unrelated to territorial dispute, The one of the South Korean players apparently violated the Olympic Charter 5-50, it’s really that simple.
And then, This is not the first time that South Korean Player bring political issues in sports, he should be given strict punishment.
4:41 am August 17, 2012
Katie@second"@Katie" wrote:
Thank you for replying to my questions.
I read the Reuters’ article you introduce in your entry.
Unfortunately your comment does not answer my questions, either.
But I will be a volunteer to reply to your suggestion.
I guess you want to point out the Japanese government had already admitted the Rising Sun flag is like Nazi’s Hakenkreuz. But you need to read this news article carefully.
The only comment by Japanese diplomatic officer comes up: “We explain in a safety guideline for Japanese tourists coming to see the Olympics that the old military flag may cause trouble,” The other entries are written by Reuters’ editor Mr Steve Ginsburg. It means his comments, not Japanese official’s one. The Japanese officer just says “We explain in a safety guideline that the old military flag may cause trouble”. I guess it is because the 2008 Olympics venue was in China, where there are so many war victims. It would be understandable that they are afraid Japanese visitors waving the Rising Sun would be assaulted by groups of Chinese war-victim descendents. I think most Japanese share the idea that the Rising Sun flag will remind Koreans and Chinese of sad memories of the past war. However looking back to the last gymnastic events in the London, no athletes including Chinese did not criticize the design of Japanese gym uniforms. At the same time, even if Japanese audience had been waving the Rising Sun in the soccer stadium during the match between South Korea and Japan, Koreans also were waving Taegeukgi, even though there may be Vietnamese, and clearly there was a political message board which said “Dokdo is our territory”. That’s fair and not to blame.
Judging from those factors, your suggestion is just “an unjustified complaint” Be logical not emotional. And answer my question before harassing me.
4:27 am August 17, 2012
Your Japanese Lover wrote:
Words are Cheap, apologies dont cut it. Japan needs to do more if they are really sorry. They can start by not worshiping Imperial Japan and the Rising Sun Flag. Then, give all the territories they stole during WW2. Then I think we are open up for dialogue.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women
4:22 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
If Japanese player did same thing like Park, running around with “Takeshima is our land” banner, Do Korean say “Give him a medal.” ? Never. They should protest very hard until the medal is cancelled. Japanese waiting for IOC’s decision patiently. I worry about Koreans nationalism especially in recent years.
4:19 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
http://pc.gban.jp/img/45461.jpg
http://pc.gban.jp/img/45462.jpg
These photos were taken in Korea just days ago.
Watch the guys’ back. The paper says ” I am Japanese KIng.”
Korean don’t want to use the word Emperor.
Anyway, he was sitting in front of Korean national flag.
He was kicked from behind.
Such a event occurs every day in Korea.
Like this event, the Korean players showed off the notice at the stadium.
4:12 am August 17, 2012
Actually wrote:
I’m not Katie, but you didn’t answer ANY of them.
SK atrocities in Vietnam are well documented. Where’s the outrage? Why aren’t SKs apologizing profusely and recompensating these people? Sounds a bit hypocritical wouldn’t you say?
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/754022/Villagers-recall-S-Korean-atrocities-in-Viet-War.html?pg=all
4:10 am August 17, 2012
@Katie OMG wrote:
terrific point, S.K. atrocities in Vietnam are well documented. Where’s the outrage? Why isn’t SK apologizing profusely or recompensating????? My country has a shameful record in Vietnam, but at least most of us own up to it!
http://muse.jhu.edu/login?auth=0&type=summary&url=/journals/positions/v009/9.3kim.html
or
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/754022/Villagers-recall-S-Korean-atrocities-in-Viet-War.html?pg=all
4:05 am August 17, 2012
@Katie, Katie, Katie wrote:
I don’t know who’s being EMOTIONAL here and not LOGICAL. If you want to debate in global community, go learn Japanese history. I’ve answered all your questions, you just do not get them. Sorry about that.
4:01 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Definitely after his action in the Olympics, the relationship between Japan and Korea becomes so bad. His action triggered
4:00 am August 17, 2012
Katie@first"@Katie" wrote:
Thank you for your response to my questions.
Well, I’m afraid, but I am not sure you do not understand meaning of LOGICALLY not EMOTIONALLY.
And you did not answer my questions at all.
My first question is: Koreans are very lenient to Park’s action but once it is accepted by the IOC, it makes an example of the organization being lenient to show up all the messages that other sides think political, religious, or discriminatory.
But you replied redundantly to my question saying Japanese gym uniforms look like the Rising Sun Flag and condemning atrocities by Japanese army in the last world war.
You don’t get my point.
Your answer for the 2nd question from me is also pathetic.
You mentioned “Please let me remind you that Vietnam war is NOT between Korean and Vietnamese.” and repeated Japan invaded Korean peninsula later on.
My point is: you and other Koreans are innocent of any war criminals. But actually your fathers or grandfathers cooperated with the U.S. army and raped, killed Vietnamese, devastated their land and had babies with young Vietnamese girls but gave them up during the Vietnam War. Now you all do not face up to these facts and make one-side endless complaints to Japanese. Then I have been asking you “Don’t you think it is unfair and contradictory?”
I hope you will avoid replying in tricky manners and get straight to my question. You need to know what is LOGIC. What you said is just emotional. Such manner is only shared in your homogenous society. You cannot communicate globally in your emotional way.
3:59 am August 17, 2012
Boycott Koreans wrote:
I really cannot boycott Koreans, because then I would get stuck with crappy Japanese products…
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444840104577551972061864692.html
3:56 am August 17, 2012
@OMG wrote:
why are you so angry? Japanese athletes didn’t hold up the flag in the photo , the person holding it is clearly not Japanese. S.K. fans held up signs cheering for the tsunami. Where’s your sense of injustice for that? @Y. Ginach, absolutely not! If the Japanese held up a sign Takeshima is ours written in Japanese , then same punishment for them. If American athletes, and I’m American, held up a sign “Go troops” (in reference to Afghanistan), even though it is in positive support, that too is political and should be justifiably punished. Why can’t you see that? Your bias clouds your perception.
3:53 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
http://japandailypress.com/courting-controversy-olympic-uniform-resembled-rising-sun-flag-149097
3:53 am August 17, 2012
Japan Lover wrote:
Words are Cheap, apologies dont cut it. Japan needs to do more if they are really sorry. They can start by not worshiping Imperial Japan and the Rising Sun Flag. Then, give all the territories they stole during WW2. Then I think we are open up for dialogue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women
3:50 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
the United Nations forces banned use of rising sun flag, which is symbolic of Imperial Japan, after Japan’s 1945 defeat.
3:48 am August 17, 2012
Y. Ginach wrote:
I’d like to respond to “Boycott Koreans.” Equating the purchasing of Korean products with Nazi Germany’s products is simply wrong and offensive. Nazi Germany murdered, raped, and tortured Jews and others in various concentration camps. I believe Korea has never done such an act, but rather suffered under Japanese colonial rule during which time the Japanese Military abducted and raped Korean, Filipino, and Swedish women in “comfort stations.”
3:44 am August 17, 2012
@Katie wrote:
OMG…can’t believe after reading the news on what the rising sun flag symbolizes you are ashamed of it or even be apologetic on showing this flag in Korean-Japanese game just because IOC didn’t ban it? Go read your history first. It tells something about your morality.
3:41 am August 17, 2012
Y. Ginach wrote:
If the Japanese team won and Park held up that sign, then this wouldn’t be an issue. That Park looks so innocently happy holding up that sign in the picture. He could’ve been holding up a “I love mom” sign — let the guy have his medal.
They should have a rematch with the winner take possession of the island.
3:29 am August 17, 2012
Answerthis wrote:
Why is Dokdo Japanese territory? I’ve read so many comments on Park’s poster being political but not a single person answering why they claim Dokto as theirs. Something’s strange.
3:22 am August 17, 2012
SupportPark wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6khvpZMqws
What a great sportsmanship Park demonstrated aftermath of the game comforting Japanese player. Park doesn’t have any hatred towards Japanese nor has political issue per se.
2:53 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Without doubt, Park’s conduct was political. It was just after President Lee’s visit to Takeshia. It was unfair act. South Korean soccer players must learn the Olympic Rules.
2:32 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The issue is not S. Korea vs. Japan, but S. Korea vs. IOC. It will not resolve even if Japan makes an official statement saying whatever S. Korea wants to hear.
The more the S. Korean tries to use the history of S. Korea being a victim of Japan in the past, the more the world feels S. Korean is unwilling to take responsibility for themselves.
Poor sportsmanship.
By the way, the arguement that “it’s in Korean, no one can read it, so it does not matter’ argument is foolish.
How about if someone curse you in another language, with a smile? It’s not English, you don’t understand, so you’re not insulted? Really?
And with internet everywhere, all you need to do is check on-line, and there will be people translating the word immediately! It’s Korean, and there are non-Korean people who understands the language, and the world knows immediately what you’re saying. There is no excuse.
1:57 am August 17, 2012
2 cents@Fishstick wrote:
Gotta stick up for South korea on this one…see I can be objective. It’s not a swastiika…it’s a Buddhist symbol that looks remarkably like one but was invented long before the late 1930s. The “arms’ go the opposite way.
1:46 am August 17, 2012
@ @2 Cents wrote:
Ok, point well taken, but there’s a time and a place for that and the Olympics is not it.
As far as the Korean women you mentioned, hmmm….I’m no expert but I did look this up on Wikipedia (I know, I know…not a definitive source) but there were lists and lists of official apologies by ambassadors and prime Ministers of Japan. OK, so you have passion for this matter. Go for it! I think morally people agree with the issues, the question has always been the “way” S.K. s have gone about it and to “whom” the anger is directed. Same in America, many are angry at Muslims for 9/11, but most rational Americans know that Muslims in general aren’t too blame, extremists are. Go demonstrate peacefully, respectfully, but with determination…direct your protests specifically at those thast support Japanese Imperialism in the Japanese government, then outsiders will support your protest and dignify your claims.
1:44 am August 17, 2012
a viewer wrote:
I don’t see any political issue or scheme here. It just looks like a champion’s ceremony with her/his national flag which comes from the audience accidentally. How many people in this world can read the letters in the placard? Why are you overreacting? Let’s be honest. Who is more political here? I remember an overturned result of a Judo game after boos from the crowd of the richest country in Asia. Perfect answer.
1:32 am August 17, 2012
Incurable disease wrote:
Anti-Japanese policy is an incurable disease in Korea. Anti-Japanese brainwashing education is still going on, like China. Japan annexed Korea LEGALLY in 1910 by request FROM KOREA which was in fear of Russia’s coming south. During annexation, Japan set slaves free. And as a result of sanitation management and agricultural advice, the population in Korea increased from 13million in1910 to 25million in1942. Average life span expanded explosively from 24 to 56 years. 6000 schools were built, people were educated, therefore the literacy rate went up from less than 10% to 65% till1936. Railroads,hospitals, bridges, electric power and so on.
And EVERYTHING was finished in 1965 by Treaty on Basic Relations between Japan and the Republic of Korea.
This is off topic, sorry, but I couldn’t stand Koreans lies.
1:29 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Maybe they didn’t teach you in schools but Japan has apologized for the comfort women.
http://www.awf.or.jp/e2/foundation.html
http://www.awf.or.jp/e2/index.html
http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/women/fund/policy.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan
1:26 am August 17, 2012
stef wrote:
I’d like to ask Koreans, how FIFA and IOC are going to punish Park and the Korean soccer team for this incident?
it seems to me that the situation is much severer than you’re thinking.
1:18 am August 17, 2012
基建吉 wrote:
【:]】『He has a problem that we have land in Japan and Dokdo propaganda by pretending to be Japanese. Is the name internationally approved, should be advertised as Takeshima of our territory.
◎Japanese sexy ass across to the uniform carefully.
〓In Japan and South Korea after that the problem has been such as to cause serious hooligan riots.
1:15 am August 17, 2012
@ 2 cents. wrote:
I read your commets. I understand your points. That is also my wish for our country to be more cool.
But did you read my comparison about our history between Japan? You might consider that the fault is on Japan’s late fathers. But STILL they are trying to make our territory to theirs. They don’t give up. They didn’t give us apology yet. Dokdo problem is still going on. It carries our history. That’s why all Koreans cannot say this Park’s happening wihout saying our history. You might be very distracted by our anxiety since this is just the matter of rules in Olympic to you. Unfortunately, it’ s not for us, Korean.
If Japan gives up to possess our Dokdo and, give us apology deeply, then we”ll be happy and let our anxiety go. It is very hard to see those korean ladies who forced to be sex slaves by Japan. They are still alive and what they want is just an apology which is not accepted at all by Japan. They don’t admit what they did and distorting what happend. Same as that, they want to have Dokdo. Since it was allowed and And commited by other natios too ( Our contry was so weak and I assume that you know how this world is working, it’s not by justice, it’s by money usually), Japan doesn’t stop. If you are Korean, can you be calm? We are all emotional. How can’t we be? It’s so cruel to us to be calm an nice.
But,….. once again, I hope we can be like that..since our feelings is understood by only us.
I agreed that Park’s action has to be forced. It was not appropriate. I had given up to explain our history to foreigners. I asked to my Korean to be calm down. You are absoulutely right but you know what? Our Koreans are right too.
1:15 am August 17, 2012
fishstick wrote:
Haha, this one’s funny.
Korean supporter brings Swastika to the 2002 worldcup.
How’s that for irony.
http://livedoor.3.blogimg.jp/hatima/imgs/4/5/45583a9b.jpg
1:11 am August 17, 2012
fishstick wrote:
Oops, missed the link.
here.
http://livedoor.3.blogimg.jp/hatima/imgs/1/5/15911a4f.jpg
1:11 am August 17, 2012
fishstick wrote:
I don’t know about you, but this dude doesn’t look like Japanese to me.
Are people here asking to punish the Japanese soccer players for the audience’s action?
1:05 am August 17, 2012
@Anonymous wrote:
Then I agree and ther S.Ks are grasping at straws. The Park raising of the sign was a specific message and cannot be argued.
1:03 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
＞@Katie
It was WARNED by the Beijing embassy. The IOC did not ban the flag. They had nothing to do with it. Learn2read.
Also you still haven’t answered my question, why didn’t people pointed out about their uniforms when the gymnasts first appeared on stage? Why wait till 2 weeks later?
1:02 am August 17, 2012
@Katie wrote:
If it was such a problem then why didn’t anyone mention it before the soccer?
terrific point! It seems clear here that S.K. has a knee jerk defense..if it wasn’t the uniforms they would be making a lot out of the “way” the Japanese bowed, There is no win in this situation.
1:00 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
>Did the designer intend to represent “Rising Sun”…or is it just a coincidence or an abstract version of the national flag? and if she did design it to reflect the Rising Sun then this could be a problem according to IOC rules.
During the interview, I belief the answer was it is a design represent ‘sunrise’ (as what you see every morning on the sky) not ‘rising sun’, but S Korean believes what they wants to believe, so they distort her interview during translation to English (if you read the original Japanese, those are two totally different words).
12:59 am August 17, 2012
2 Cents@I'm Korean wrote:
You say: “Korean’s anger is indeed towards those that support imperialistic policies of the past”
You do know, as an outsider speaking, it sure doesn’t sound like it. Again, i’m no expert, but I’ve heard enough to know that S.K.’s seem to speak with a voice and emotion that seems to condemn “Japan”, not simply “imperialistic policies of the past”.
12:55 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I checked on the web to see what all these rising sun flag mess about, the 4-yr old drawing of the sun looks closer to the flag than the uniform!!
Please go to the kintergarden and complain to them first. Oh, and if there is a classmate who is of Korea origin in the class, it would be intentional as well (although the kid who drawn it is not Japanese American, they MUST be Japanese in their heart to do such cruel thing), right?
That’s what your argument of ‘wearing rising sun flag’. IOC already heard complain and took no action, of course.
Good job, IOC
12:55 am August 17, 2012
@Katie wrote:
If it was such a problem then why didn’t anyone mention it before the soccer?
–please educate yourself. this issue was brought well before this Olympics or even the soccer. Even by Japanese government.
.http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/08/08/us-olympics-japan-flag-idUST35118820080808
12:53 am August 17, 2012
2 Cents wrote:
@If Japanese uniforms represent the Rising Sun and are political , then penalize them as well.– you still don’t get it. it’s not IF. It DOES convey the political message.
NO! YOU don’t get it! Still! The “fact” that Dokdo is Korean has nothing to do with the Olympics, sportsmanship, and good will.S.K.’s on this thread KEEP arguing politically right or wrong, and people are trying to talk about appropriate behavior, sportsmanship, and the political spirit. You want to debate Dokdo, text books, WWII…take it up at the Japanese Embassy.
12:50 am August 17, 2012
Truth is... wrote:
South Korea exports many prostitute girls to many countries, including the US, Australia, and Japan. South Korea claims compensation for comfort women during WWII. But, the truth is that prostituion is South Korean culture. South Korea is not entitle for the claim. They should stop such barbarian deed.
12:49 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
>2 cents
The rising sun flag had been around long before WWII and it is still being used by the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force today.
The Nazi Swastika has only been used during WWII.
There’s a difference.
12:45 am August 17, 2012
@2 Cent wrote:
I am not @I’mKOrean, but I think I can answer part of your question.
“and this anger is not directed at those that support Imperialistic policies of the past, but at all japanese citizens.”–Korean’s anger is indeed towards those that support imperialistic policies of the past. I hope that is not ALL Japanese citizens. The current Japanese citizens learn twisted history and learn nothing on the atrocities of WWII and supports the idea of Japan “benefitting” countries that they dominated. Also japanese putting Dokdo as political issue of theirs is also horrofic issue to Korean as it symbolizes that Japanese still have ambition to take away other countries’ land and not regretting from WWII. I don’t know what else sounds Imperialistic than this.
12:42 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
>You must be a Japanese.
you think anyone who criticizes SK has to be Japanese don’t you?
12:41 am August 17, 2012
2 cents wrote:
@Anonymous you said: “Yes, by your stupid logic, a lot of countries will have to abandon their flag”.
I don’t think anybody has a problem with the japanese national flag, but if the gymnastics uniforms were modelled after the “Rising Sun” flag as some S.K.s claim, then that may be a problem as that flag is a symbol of imperial Japan. It would be the same here in the US if Americans designed uniforms representing the Confederate flag with all of its connotations to slavery. I think the issue is: Did the designer intend to represent “Rising Sun”…or is it just a coincidence or an abstract version of the national flag? and if she did design it to reflect the Rising Sun then this could be a problem according to IOC rules.
12:38 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
＞and who first brought the stupid logic? oh maybe you forgot.
You did when you brought up the ridiculous claim on the Japanese uniform.
If it was such a problem then why didn’t anyone mention it before the soccer?
12:38 am August 17, 2012
To you, Anonymous wrote:
You must be a Japanese. I want to ask you this. Why are you so emotional then? Koreans are the one who were invaded. That is why we cannot help but being emotional. But why you are? Are you so upset because our soccer team beat your team? If so, you must be so qualified to understand our feelings when you guys invaded our country. Is this rational to you?
12:36 am August 17, 2012
@2 Cents wrote:
If Japanese uniforms represent the Rising Sun and are political , then penalize them as well.– you still don’t get it. it’s not IF. It DOES convey the political message.
In terms of apologies, check historical sites, there have been loads of official apologies by Japanese Foreign Ministers and Prime Ministers. –apologies? oh yes? then what do they want with Dokdo?
If you innocently believe this is a simple issue of just punishing Korean soccer player you are wrong. I think you’ve must have gotten it by now.
I want to know, Japanese people leaving comments here—why do you think Dokdo is your island? please answer me. I am getting very curious.
12:32 am August 17, 2012
@Well wrote:
I don’t think Koreans should worry about Japan’s attitude after WWII, I think that S.K. has to worry about themselves and how they can best move forward into the 21st century. People are tired of the animosity. Protest yes, but do it respectfully & politically then people will respect your cause!
12:29 am August 17, 2012
@Anonymous wrote:
All I see is “wah wah wah Japan wronged us in WWII!” and completely missing the point.
.–I am sorry that your reading capability is limited.
and who first brought the stupid logic? oh maybe you forgot.
12:28 am August 17, 2012
2 cents wrote:
@I’mKorean
“But I ask you guys to think just once about what’s really happening in this country, Korea.
We, Koreans also want to forgive Japan”.
The problem is, and I’m not Japanese, nobody really believes that. Outsiders like me and others on this board observe that you have historical grievances, they may be valid, probably are, but that you are using every occasion to use as a platform to express your hatred of the Japanese, and this anger is not directed at those that support Imperialistic policies of the past, but at all japanese citizens. And honestly most people, other than S. koreans don’t like that behavior. if you don’t understand that, then there’s going to be no solution to this problem. Look at all the posts by westerners on this board or others, not one supports Korea’s position on this matter.
12:26 am August 17, 2012
simple wrote:
Dokdo statement=not political period. Rising star flag uniform= political. Take back Japanese gymnastic’s medals too!
12:24 am August 17, 2012
Well, wrote:
It’s Olympic, yeah, i know. But if you think about what Japan’s attitute has been after the world war II, there’s an answer. And compare with Germany.
He deserves the medal even though it was not appropriate
12:24 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
>k thanks alot I follow your non-faulty logic now. Ban USA flag as well! see if they do that. and please remind me…who else particiapted the stupid war? why don’t you send Nazi flag to VIetnamese since they won’t offend them, right?
Yes, by your stupid logic, a lot of countries will have to abandon their flag.
12:23 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
＞ I see alot of rational thinking Koreans leaving great comments here
This has to be a joke.
All I see is “wah wah wah Japan wronged us in WWII!” and completely missing the point.
12:18 am August 17, 2012
2 Cents wrote:
@GoodnessgraciousIt’s not a hard concept to understand! Keep politics and international sport separate. Approach the games with good will! Is that such a ridiculous concept? If Japanese uniforms represent the Rising Sun and are political , then penalize them as well. In terms of apologies, check historical sites, there have been loads of official apologies by Japanese Foreign Ministers and Prime Ministers. You want their text books changed to reflect history, take it to the Japanese Education Board and do it properly, not make sporting events a forum for politics. You want to direct anger at the Japanese, then aim it at the government and leave the citizens alone! You keep screaming politics and about the Japanese, nobody raised the Dokdo banner but a representative of the S.K. Olympic team and nobody exacts a punishment except for the IOC and FIFA! Take your argument up with those bodies and keep the Japanese out of it.
12:16 am August 17, 2012
@Anonymous wrote:
rising star flag excuse is hilarious? you go ahead wear Nazi flag uniform and see if that’s hiliarious too before Jews! I see alot of rational thinking Koreans leaving great comments here. Sorry that you certainly are not a rational thinker .
12:12 am August 17, 2012
@Anonymous wrote:
ok thanks alot I follow your non-faulty logic now. Ban USA flag as well! see if they do that. and please remind me…who else particiapted the stupid war? why don’t you send Nazi flag to VIetnamese since they won’t offend them, right?
12:08 am August 17, 2012
@Katie wrote:
1. Are we being fair here? Did you see Japanese gymnastic atheletes who “INTENTIONALLY” and unbelievingly proudly wore risinig star flag uniforms? I’t's like German athletes wearing Nazi uniform at the Olympics. What does IOC say on it? NOTHING! and let me hear from you how “Bravely’ you can comment on this. Can you and 2Cent allow Nazi uniform in Olympics and give medals to atheletes and get over the past (as 2 cent says)? You two should spend more time protesting against those Japanese whose action is more vivid and more political than Park’s. Also what does Park’s action has to do political message? First of all it’s not a political message nor even controversial issue. Japanese want to bring this to international debate as they so desparately want to steal back what they have already stolen during WWII. Especially now they know rich natural resources are under that small island. Dokdo has belonged to Korea far before WWII (Japanese also ackknledge this) and still belongs to Korea as the result of WWII, Japanese turned back all the lands they stolen. Their claiming Dokdo is just like saying they won that island as a result of the WWII. that’s nonsense. SO…Who’s political decisiont is Park affecting? no one’s! 2. Please let me remind you that Vietnam war is NOT between Korean and Vietnamese. Japanese was one of the aggressor during WWIII. We are talking about officially recognizing Rising Sun Flag which symbolized imperialism just like Nazi symble. In your logic, should all the flags of the countries that participated in Vietnam war should be then banned? Even the USA? Come on…let’s be logical here as you’ve stated.
12:04 am August 17, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Koreans get easily carried away by their emotions.
It blocks them from rational thinking.
The “rising sun” uniform excuse is just hilarious.
Grasping at straw much?
12:02 am August 17, 2012
Sandra wrote:
“displayed a political slogan”
political enough. shold be banned.
11:59 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
＞goodnessgracious
Then Korea should also ban their flag as Vietnamese will find offense to it.
See your faulty logic?
11:57 pm August 16, 2012
I'm Korean. wrote:
I assume that you guys can possibly consider Park’s act as a political action in the Olympic.
Since you(including Japanese who are brain-washed from their shame ancestors and politicians) guys didn’t get through those painful historical war and can’t even think about how much it was savage, you guys can think it without emotional thinking. I, as a Korean, want to try it and deeply understand what is the rule in Olympic and think Park’s action was not proper.
But I ask you guys to think just once about what’s really happening in this country, Korea.
We, Koreans also want to forgive Japan. We, Koreans also want to forget those memories. It’s true. When tsunami hit Japan, Koreans were helping Japan a lot. We want to overcome our history.
But think about it. If there was a thief who raped your mother and killed your uncle when he came in your house, the police came and got him out and now, you want to forget those bad memories….
but that thief keeps trying to take your money in your pocket saying that it belongs to him since he was in your house once, and that guy is getting helps from the judges and others by using his money and power, could you still just be nice and sane?
I think if Japan fully regret what they did, they should stop disputing the territorial problems. FYI who doesn’t know the truth, Japan is disputing about this kind of thing with China, and other East-South Asian countries. We all know Japan lands are sinking. Koreans are thinking it could be untolerable. But this is not the way you can get new lands. This is not the way you can distort the history. Stop making issues, Japan. Everybody else but you think it’s all shameful. You can make nice products but you can’t make history which is already happened.
About this happening, I think Park is already enough punished by excluding from the medal ceremony. That was very huge moment for us and for Park also. He already lost a lot of things. He couldn’t have the very exciting moment of his life. Isn’t that enough?
If you think it’s not enough for him, I ask you to think about what’s the enough punishment for war criminals.
Besides, I am still pesonally thinking if that statement card is considered as a political issue, IOC had to prohibit the person to bring it or put that card away from the stadium. And that enforcement has to be done for Japanese Rising Sun flags also. If IOC has mind to keep fairness, they should stop investigating this. This is JUST Enough!!
For Japanese, who stil think you guys can distort the history and get the territory from other country, I ask you to think theft is theft even you did it as a whole nation.
11:50 pm August 16, 2012
kiddingme wrote:
@Westerner: are you innoncent or what? you make me laugh. and I really hope you are not Japanese.
11:41 pm August 16, 2012
goodnessgracious wrote:
@Just My 2 Cents: I cannot seem to follow your thinking. ” the whole idea of the Olympics is to get past those grievances and recognize that we are all on this planet together” so is that why Japanese brought the rising sun flag to Olympics? oh yeah it’s just past, let’s get over with it. hey I got the flag for you- the exact one we Japanese used when we mercilessly murdered people in WWII. don’t over react, it’s just past. let’s get together and become one under the “Olympic Spirit.” We might “get past those grievances” when there is right action from Japanese which EXCULDE wavering that horrofic flag in public and allowing Japanese atheletes wear rising sun flag image uniforms, and stop claiming islands that they stole during WWII. Germans do not bring their Nazi symbols to Olymnpics. Why not? simple answer. Germans do have conscience and do acknowledge and apologized for their fault. Japan? If there is any Japanese here in the discussion, please answer me. what do you learn from your history class? Do they teach you about Naking Massacre or military sexual slave? Oh wait a minute, you still bow before the war criminals at Yasukuni!!!!!
11:36 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Typo above: published should be Punished
11:35 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Why do Koreans bringing Japan into this argument?
The point is that Park sent a political message in the Olympic which is against the rule, so he should be published whether it was intentional or not. That’s it. Japan has nothing to do with this.
11:08 pm August 16, 2012
humble wrote:
@Katie
I’m an Asian American who is half Korean and half Japanese. I was born in US but spent some of my childhood in Korea and Japan.
First of all I strongly believe that political issues shouldn’t be mixed with Olympic Games.
Thus Park Jong-woo’s performance in the Olympic Games clearly crossed the line whether it was intentional or not. End of discussion.
For the next argument.
Rising Sun Flag is not a national flag so it cannot be compared to Taegeukgi. The rising sun flag is just as same as Nazi flag known as Swastika and it was banned in the 2008 Beijing Olympics for the same reason.
Therefore Japanese spectators or athletes wearing or waving the flag should be regarded as a political movement. Japanese using Nisshoki is completely acceptable because it is their national flag.
I suggest that Koreans should be more clever in their manner of appealing.
In other words they should mature their diplomatic skills.
I understand the hurt Koreans are feeling over Japan. When I was a student in Japan I was discriminated and bullied by my classmates just because I was half Korean. People who do not understand the relationship between these two countries think that the Japanese have apologized and moved on but clearly they have not based on numerous historical facts.
Despite the relationship and the unfortunate historical background Koreans should appeal to the world not with their emotions but with facts only.
I know how nice and friendly most of the Koreans normally are.
Korean government along with Korean citizens are eager to help Japan whenever natural disaster occurs in Japan. The Koreans were the first to arrive in Japan in 2011 when Japan was hit by tsunami. They rescued numerous people along with animals and sent over food and money for those who have lost their families and houses and all.
Please don’t ruin all of that image of Korea by targeting Japanese with hatred and anger.
Japan should learn from the past and apologize in a proper manner to the victims of the war crime and stop the discrimination that is clearly going on in Japan.
Moreover they should not distort the historical facts in their textbooks. The new generation of Japan have the right to know what has been going on in the past.
Korea is a very small bet ye a powerful country. They shouldn’t be intimidated by Japan any more.
Be strong and deal with the facts only and justice will be served eventually.
11:05 pm August 16, 2012
humble wrote:
error
11:03 pm August 16, 2012
@Class2013 wrote:
p.s. I don’t think I’m overreacting. I think many are getting tired of this kind of behavior and are responding. I’m not Japanese, I have no stake in Dokdo. I hope you get your Island, go for it. I’m talking about proper Olympic and International behavior at sporting events. This is something that S.K’s are going to have to take a good look at in the mirror. If they want support, change behavior and I’m on board!
10:57 pm August 16, 2012
@Class2013 wrote:
Precisely my point! Whether Dokdo is Korean territory or not is irrelevant in an international sporting event that is based upon good will and the Olympic spirit. Secondly, who wants to talk about “past injustices”? Your countrymen bring it up time and time again. I was responding to that fact. Read through the postings. This isn’t about Dokdo or justice, it’s about good will and proper behavior!
10:45 pm August 16, 2012
Class 2013 wrote:
@Francois76
“They want the world to know about past injustices as justification for their current behavior.” ???
I do admit that many Koreans have such tendency, but you are totally out of context here. This is about raising the awareness of Dokdo Island, which is rightfully Korean territory but Japan’s making a dispute over. It has nothing to do with ‘past injustices’ or ‘justification for their current behavior” whatsoever. Sure, this soccer player overreacted and brought a political issue to a sport event, but you are no less overreacting here.
10:38 pm August 16, 2012
@ Katie wrote:
I’m an Asian American who is half Korean and half Japanese. I was born in US but spent some of my childhood in Korea and Japan.
First of all I strongly believe that political issues shouldn’t be mixed with Olympic Games.
Thus Park Jong-woo’s performance in the Olympic Games clearly crossed the line whether it was intentional or not. End of discussion.
For the next argument.
Rising Sun Flag is not a national flag so it cannot be compared to Taegeukgi. The rising sun flag is just as same as Nazi flag known as Swastika and it was banned in the 2008 Beijing Olympics for the same reason.
Therefore Japanese spectators or athletes wearing or waving the flag should be regarded as a political movement. Japanese using Nisshoki is completely acceptable because it is their national flag.
I suggest that Koreans should be more clever in their manner of appealing.
In other words they should mature their diplomatic skills.
I understand the hurt Koreans are feeling over Japan. When I was a student in Japan I was discriminated and bullied by my classmates just because I was half Korean. People who do not understand the relationship between these two countries think that the Japanese have apologized and moved on but clearly they have not based on numerous historical facts.
Despite the relationship and the unfortunate historical background Koreans should appeal to the world not with their emotions but with facts only.
I know how nice and friendly most of the Koreans normally are.
Korean government along with Korean citizens are eager to help Japan whenever natural disaster occurs in Japan. The Koreans were the first to arrive in Japan in 2011 when Japan was hit by tsunami. They rescued numerous people along with animals and sent over food and money for those who have lost their families and houses and all.
Please don’t ruin all of that image of Korea by targeting Japanese with hatred and anger.
Japan should learn from the past and apologize in a proper manner to the victims of the war crime and stop the discrimination that is clearly going on in Japan.
Moreover they should not distort the historical facts in their textbooks. The new generation of Japan have the right to know what has been going on in the past.
Korea is a very small country yet powerful. They shouldn’t be intimidated by Japan any more.
Be strong and deal with the facts only and justice will be served eventually.
10:22 pm August 16, 2012
@Westerner wrote:
“Hawaii is ours”. Please S.K., really? Americans would randomly do that? That argument makes no sense. Just own up, it was political –no medal for Park!
10:20 pm August 16, 2012
Westerner wrote:
Does anybody else notice the contradictions on here? First, S.K.s say that Park’s holding of the sign was not political (as if people just pick up random signs to state facts: “hey, I have black hair” or “Guess what? Mt. Everest is the tallest mountain in the world”), then S.K. posters explain in great detail about the Island and past Japanese actions. Posters respond to the history. Then in a kind of double hypocritical move, many S.K. posters tell people to “stay on topic, this is about Park’s medal”. You can’t have it both ways S.K.
10:05 pm August 16, 2012
Francois76 wrote:
Koreans are hurting their own cause! They want the world to know about past injustices as justification for their current behavior. Well, the world already knows this history and has agreed upon it, but does not except it as an excuse for poor behavior in modern international sporting events that are supposed to be governed by good will. So, what is it that South Koreans want from the Japanese? No matter what Japan gives them, it won’t be enough. South Korea…you love your country, right? You want others to appreciate how wonderful and culturally rich it is too, right? Well, BEHAVE, act like civilized and calm adults, and you’ll get a lot more of us Westerners to sympathize with your cause!
9:55 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Man the F up and accept the consequence.
I’m getting tired of these whiny Koreans.
9:54 pm August 16, 2012
Katie@Just My 2 Cents wrote:
Thanks!
Hey, does any Koreans answer the questions?
The point is to answer them, satisfying the two elements: LOGICALLY not EMOTIONALLY (감정적으로되는 것이 아니라, 논리적으로)
Who is the first volunteer?
9:40 pm August 16, 2012
Just My 2 Cents wrote:
@Katie…excellent point! Should the Vietnamese Olympians be stomping around demanding justice from modern S.K.’s for atrocities they committed in the 70s?? About the “taegeukgi” point….well done, but I bet you won’t get a S. korean on here to recognize the hypocrisy. Please S.K. an intelligent rational response.
9:35 pm August 16, 2012
Just My 2 Cents wrote:
@Olympic Spirit ..Then, you could list countries that had atrocities perpetrated against them in the past: Vietnam, Cambodia, China, Israel, Mexico, the Balkans (region), etc…LOTS of countries have lots of grievances…but the whole idea of the Olympics is to get past those grievances and recognize that we are all on this planet together…S.K.’s don’t seem to get it!! But their aggressive posture is hurting them now and people are starting to talk about banning their products and not allowing them to compete in future int’l sporting events.
9:32 pm August 16, 2012
Katie wrote:
There seems to be no brave Koreans who logically answer the following questions that already given the above. I hope there is a Korean who can do, not raving against Japanese off the deep end!
First: Koreans recognize their lenient attitudes toward Park’s performance makes a new trend in the Olympics or other international championships, in which athletes send political message, regardless of whether it’s intentional or not, but they can be permitted as long as they may say it’s out of overjoy, don’t you? What do you say?
Second: If Vietnamese do not allow Koreans to use Taegeukgi because it reminds them of atrocities by Koreans during the Vietnam War, Will Koreans soon abolish Taegeukgi and never use it? What is your opinion?
9:30 pm August 16, 2012
Olympic Spirit wrote:
Argentina and G.B ” Falklands belong to us ! ”
India and Pakistan ” Kashimir belongs to us ! ”
Israel and Palestinian ” Gaza belongs to us ! ”
Ireland and G.B ” Northern Ireland belongs to us ! ”
Is this allowable in Olympic?? Nonsense. Punishment should be heavy.
8:57 pm August 16, 2012
Just My 2 Cents wrote:
“Sortsmanship” seems like a foreign concept to South Koreans! Netizens sending threatening emails to judges, posting their contact info online, ’02 World Cup and mocking Ohno and the Americans, ’88 Seoul Olympics Roy Jones Jr. fight, Dokdo sign, badminton expulsion, virtually all speed-skating events…show some class Korea!!
8:48 pm August 16, 2012
Westerner wrote:
Some on here say “Japan” just doesn’t want to see S.K. celebrate…nonsense! Japan wants to see S.K.’s act like sportsmen. That’s my opinion…and no I’m not Japanese.
8:46 pm August 16, 2012
Peter wrote:
First of all, before people go crazy, I am American…not Japanese….as are many other “Westerners” on this thread (it’s easy to tell from the grammar). Here’s how it seems to me: S.K.’s keeps bringing up history…I don’t think anybody is arguing with the “historical record”. What people do NOT like is politicizing the Olympics and constantly bringing up past grievances in what is supposed to be a friendly-political -free environment.You don’t seem to see your animosity…you see it as “historical fact”…but most of us see it as inappropriately carrying on passed down animosities. If you want the West to listen, then voice your disagreements in an appropriate context with class and dignity.
8:29 pm August 16, 2012
Westerner wrote:
To the Korean people on this thread…WWII is over!! the Japanese committed atrocities against Americans in POW camps…Koreans committed atrocities against Vietnamese civilians in the 70s…and us Americans are no better committing atrocities throughout history…that was the past! Modern Japanese are nothing like the Imperial Japanese….so either go to anger management classes or don’t show up to international sporting events!
6:57 pm August 16, 2012
jpn wrote:
The rising sun flag is still used for the Japan self defense force.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Self-Defense_Forces
This flag was not made for the empire of japan. Rising sun has been a japanese symbol from ancient times.
So, if you hate this flag, then you just don’t like japan.
It may be reasonable to hate japan if you were born before WW2. But if your were born after WW2, you should be careful for biased history.
6:44 pm August 16, 2012
a Japanese Civilizade to Korea wrote:
Koreans teach xenophobia in their society. This is by and large a domestic problem. We may feel contempt for them, but still see it as an aspect of their sovereignty. However, once Koreans use the Olympics as an instrument to engage in racist and xenophobic propaganda, then it becomes an issue for the IOC. In that way, they message being written in vulgar Korean language or any other language is irrelevant. This is an attempt to spread hate through the Olympics. It makes no difference whether the subjects of the xenophobic propaganda are Korean or civilized people…
6:27 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
“Wearing rising sun themed uniform = wearing Nazi swastika themed uniform”
It’s fact. Because rising sun flag is used as an offensive emblem for countries that suffered from it since it works a sign of conquest of East Asia. Althou it is used before WW2, it is used as war criminal flag during WW2. Important thing is how it was used, not since when it was used.
Then, if Vietnamese do not allow you to use Taegeukgi because it reminds them of atrocities by Korean during the Vietnam War, you will soon abolish Taegeukgi and never use it, will you? What is you opinion?
6:23 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
“And I don’t think Park did any of that. He was overjoyed and carried around a sign that was given to him by one of the fans.”
Yeah, what he did was sort of that. But why can you be so lenient that the IOC should award a medal to him. You recognize it makes a new trend in the Olympics or other international championships , in which athletes send political message, regardless of whether it’s intentional or not, but they can be permitted as long as they may say it’s out of overjoy, don’t you? What do you say?
6:19 pm August 16, 2012
w wrote:
“Wearing rising sun themed uniform = wearing Nazi swastika themed uniform”
It’s fact. Because rising sun flag is used as an offensive emblem for countries that suffered from it since it works a sign of conquest of East Asia. Althou it is used before WW2, it is used as war criminal flag during WW2. Important thing is how it was used, not since when it was used.
6:11 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Give the guy his medal. He worked hard for it!
I agree Olympics should not be used for propaganda of any kinds.
And I don’t think Park did any of that. He was overjoyed and carried around a sign that was given to him by one of the fans. It would have been nice and quiet if he didn’t but nevertheless he did not plan it to convey his political view of any kind.
5:56 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Dear ML,
I love your comment and you are right. We are in fact losing Olympic Sprit by judging on some comment none other than Koreans understand. These young players worked hard and played well. I even saw Park Jong Woo bringing up a Japanese player after the game. Let the Sprit of true Olympic kick in and stop this non sense. It is like parents getting involved in childrens fight. Park out of joy and young blood carried a card and ran around. It was not planned and that is that. It looks like this can cause WWIII. Chill!!!
5:48 pm August 16, 2012
Boycott Koreans wrote:
As a foreigner who lived in Seoul, Korea for two years, I clearly think that Korean xenophobia and ethnocentricism extends well beyond attitudes towards Japan. That’s why, Boycott Korean products
5:32 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Stop attributing whatever Koreans feel inconvenient or unreasonable to Japan!
This case is just attributed to Park’s stupidity and Korean nationalism, nothing to do with Japan!
I advise Koreans to be MODEST, HONEST and RESPONSIBLE!!!!
5:29 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Hey I can make ridiculous claims too!
Hey South Korea! Stop promoting Pepsi. Cocacola is the sponsor of the olympics!
5:26 pm August 16, 2012
To Koreans wrote:
“Wearing rising sun themed uniform = wearing Nazi swastika themed uniform”
This is called an ‘unjustified complaint”. Do you know it?
5:25 pm August 16, 2012
thing is simple wrote:
Park broke the rule, and IOC will punish him. That’s all.
5:23 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
“enjoy radioactivity!”
This is the true Korean identity!
While people around the world thankfully supported Japanese tsunami victims, Korean posted a comment on a movie site: “All Japanese be killed in an earthquake.”
Do you still believe the stereotype: “Koreans are polite and kind”?
Koreans love to see and laugh at sorrowful victims of wars and natural disasters in the world.
It’s because koreans think they are super while others are stupid and shit. And they feel so nice when they see such devastating situation.
5:22 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
“enjoy radioactivity!”
This is the true Korean identity!
While people around the world thankfully supported Japanese tsunami victims, Korean posted a comment on YouTube: “All Japanese be killed in an earthquake.”
Do you still believe the stereotype: “Koreans are polite and kind”?
Koreans love to see and laugh at sorrowful victims of wars and natural disasters in the world.
It’s because koreans think they are super while others are stupid and shit. And they feel so nice when they see such devastating situation.
5:19 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
“OK, Japanese should boycott korean product.and enjoy radioactivity!”
This is the true Korean identity!
While people around the world thankfully supported Japanese tsunami victims, Korean posted a comment on YouTube: “All Japanese be killed in an earthquake.”
Do you still believe the stereotype: “Koreans are polite and kind”?
Koreans love to see and laugh at sorrowful victims of wars and natural disasters in the world.
It’s because koreans think they are super while others are stupid and shit. And they feel so nice when they see such devastating situation.
5:13 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
＞Wearing rising sun themed uniform = wearing Nazi swastika themed uniform
Except, you know, it looks nothing like the rising sun flag AND the rising sun flag had been around long before WW2.
Opposed to the Nazi’s Swasika which was only used during WW2.
5:10 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
“Yes I know it’s a metaphor. What I wanted to say was “new york belongs to the US” is not a political statement because it’s a fact. But “Dokdo belongs to South Korea” is clearly a political statement.”
Yeah, I agree with you!
5:07 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
“OK, Japanese should boycott korean product.and enjoy radioactivity!”
Hahaha… This is the KOREAN!
You’re the same as the Korean guy on the following You Tube link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYMqQmajp8g
He wishes Japanese tsunami victims soon die.
This is Korean identity. They love to laugh at sorrowful victims of wars and natural disasters in the world.
Koreans believe they are super. Other people are stupid and shit! So all the devastating situations make them feel happy!!
Do you still believe the stereotype: “Koreans are polite and kind”?
The real Koreans are irrational, coward, pathetic racists.
5:06 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Yes I know it’s a metaphor. What I wanted to say was “new york belongs to the US” is not a political statement because it’s a fact. But “Dokdo belongs to South Korea” is clearly a political statement.
4:58 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
“I don’t understand the examples of new york/hawaii belongs to the US. This is completely irrelevant. Who’s fighting over the territory of new york???”
Hey, don’t be foolish! It is just a metaphor.
If dokdo is yours, you don’t need to say openly “dokdo is mine”. It is the same as Americans say “New York is mine”. Needless to say, New York city belongs to Americans. So they don’t need to show a placard which says “New York is mine”.
However your stupid football buddy showed the placard which says “Dokdo is mine”. It proves that Koreans admit the right to own Liancourt Rocks is in issue – there is a doubt that the islets belong to South Korea.
His performance tells us the fact that Koreans also have a question of the right to own the islets but they want to believe the islets belong to Koreans, despite the international judgement and bilateral treaty.
4:53 pm August 16, 2012
fishstick wrote:
Are people here THAT dumb that they think it wasn’t a political move?
Either you obey the Olympics rules or GTFO.
4:47 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
OK, Japanese should boycott korean product.
and enjoy radioactivity!
4:46 pm August 16, 2012
@last Anonymous wrote:
There is a wrong statement!
“Japan publicly promised NOT to use any military forces to solve any problems to the international society as its constitution says.”
4:46 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I don’t understand the examples of new york/hawaii belongs to the US. This is completely irrelevant. Who’s fighting over the territory of new york???
4:45 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
“If Dokdo truly belongs to you, why do you need help of a third country?”
It is because Japan does not have any military options to take so as to get back the islets.
Japan publicly promised to use any military forces to solve any problems to the international society as its constitution says.
But now, pinchers from korean peninsula have illegally occupied Japanese islets. So Japanese government ask the ICJ to help solve the issue. It is like you call the police as you find a thief.
By the way, koreans say Japan is a thief. But actually any thieves call the police or file a lawsuit. Real thieves want to avoid calling the police or fling a lawsuit! That’s the worldwide common practice.
4:40 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
NewYork belongs to America.
Tokyo belongs to Japan.
Dokdo belongs to Korea.
That is true.
Japanese should learn more about history,
and do not ues Rising sun flag for support.
4:39 pm August 16, 2012
Racist japanese wrote:
@ anonymous. Do you have a Job? Let’s not waste any more time to convince idiot like you.
4:36 pm August 16, 2012
listen up, wrote:
This is insane. It is like ‘Hawaii is the US’s own.” makes such a issue. ha!
Speaking of ‘political’, for who sees it political makes it political. In my view, this is just a personal ceremony.
Thus, this is just a happening obvisouly by who wanted to make it disputed territory, and we all know who is who.
4:35 pm August 16, 2012
@haha wrote:
You make me laugh.
Stealing culture is Korean’s speciality, not Japan’s. For example, Judo, Karate, Kendo, cherry blossoms, tea ceremony, sushi, manga, animation, and so on.
Can you enumerate the things that Japan stole from Korea?
4:33 pm August 16, 2012
This is a good example! wrote:
Koreans are nationalists and racists. The following link tells us it’s true.
Korean mind is full of the idea that koreans are only great people while others in the world are stupid and shit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4biR81_6kw (This korean wishes tsunami victims soon die! Do you believe koreans have a conscience? Do you still have a stereotype: “Koreans are polite and kind”? They love to laugh at sorrowful victims of wars or natural disasters.)
4:30 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
To some of ignorant Japanese friends below,
If Dokdo truly belongs to you, why do you need help of a third country?
You are trying so hard to claim that is not yours in the first place and I feel sorry for you.
4:23 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Takeshima belongs to Japan. Korea is being like Jaian from Doraemon: “my stuff belongs to me, your stuff belongs to me too” (but Jaian is actually good at heart, unlike Korea)
If Korea wants the islands that bad, they should take the issue to the international court of justice like Japan proposed. But noooooo, they refused the proposal because they know they are going to lose since they have zero proof.
4:12 pm August 16, 2012
howdy wrote:
@liar japanese
It’s not Japanese proverb, South Koreans believe unquestioningly it is however.
It originated in Joseph Goebbels, Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany.
You should learn more about history.
4:04 pm August 16, 2012
racist korean wrote:
In Korean proverb, beat a drowning dog in the water to death. So, pretending to be pacifists, they always attack Japan because they think korea is superior to japan.
3:37 pm August 16, 2012
liar japanese wrote:
In Japanese proverb, they tell a lie a hundred times, it is truth. So, They always afraid and avoid to tell the truth,
3:34 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
BOYCOTT KOREAN PRODUCTS
>I agree with you. 韓国には、甘やかすとつけあがる国と言う印象しかないのが残念。
3:26 pm August 16, 2012
haha wrote:
Korea stole and pillaged Japan’s goods and natural resources? you kidding me? He that has no shame has no conscience. Or, you just want to shut your eyes about atrocities committed by Japan in the past? Why do not Japan, stole and pillaged Korean’s food, cultural heritage, even they killed Korean empress. Countless Korean were taken by Japanese for their war, and sacrificed for Japan’s medical experiment on a living body. you know? Nevertheless, Japan didn’t apologize sincerely once so far, about all the things they did then. you think it does make any sense? I think it never doesn’t. Why people person? because, People have the shame .And People can look back and admit their fault. Korean always have been lived with the pain then. Plz NOT talk carelessly hurt ours, and NOT distortion. The sky is not coverd by palm.
Only the truth remains the truth forever.
2:53 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Ok, Koreans. If Vietnamese war victims asked you for abolishing Taegeukgi, you would easily abandon them?
2:41 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
JAPAN WEAR THE RISING SUN FLAG (RISING SUN FLAG = NAZI)
the answer is clear : japan regards the Olympics just as an international sports to demonstrate how great they are, whithout spirits of respecting sportsmanship and the Olympics’ philosophy that sharing world peace and mutual cooperation.
2:38 pm August 16, 2012
@worl peace 4 wrote:
Hey, Stop using “the truth”!
It’s just your “belief”.
You need such sympathy from the world!
The topic is whether Park show up a political message in the Olympics.
And the answer is ‘Yes’!
Don’t play dumb!!
2:32 pm August 16, 2012
@last Anonymous wrote:
The answer is clear: Koreans regards the Olympics just as an international sports to demonstrate how great they are, without spirits of respecting sportsmanship and the Olympics’ philosophy that sharing world peace and mutual cooperation.
2:26 pm August 16, 2012
worl peace 4 ever wrote:
do you really want to know the truth?
please, watch this => http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zzzJtChA9Do
2:21 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I don’t care about how bad Japanese were, I am here to discuss sports, not politic.
Don’t use politic as excuses for not following sportsmanship.
2:18 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
do you wanna know how civilized some Japanes are? check this youtube video out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMLDC7MEAs0&feature=related
1:51 pm August 16, 2012
Worl Peace 4 Ever wrote:
Japan should sue Korea for breaching and neglecting the treaty and stealing the Liancourt Rocks as well as sponging Trillions of USD more than what ever 100 Billion Won/Yen/USD. Korea stole and pillaged Japan’s goods and natural resources after the end of the war. Korea is demanding and mooching Japanese properties saying like Japan is way they are due to all the riches stolen from entire Asia they occupied. Not only they violated human rights, raped and killed Vietnamese during the Vietnam War, they have stolen goods and natural resources. It’s time to reveal their hypocrisy and dishonesty. Koreans always mooching money that Japan made trillions of USD each year from exports of its goods. How were they able to do this? By complaining persistently of what Japanese did in the WWII, ignoring the fact that Japan has been providing financial supports ever since the end of the last war but each Korean president has concealed these facts, they are mooching and annoying Japanese people, firms and society. I would say Korea owe Japan about 100 Trillions of USD not to mention all the interest. Why can’t Japan regard Koreans as evil and sleazy hypocrites and moochers?
1:43 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
To Boycott
I would like to tell you that you misunderstood something about Korean’s feeling against Japan. It’s against some Japanese who glorifies their past and openly make false comments such as those women who were forced to became sexual slaves had volunteered for money. I would research more about the relationship of Japan and Korea if I were you.
1:38 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
As for all the posts that bringing history of Japan-Korea relationship, you’re changing the topic. Olympic does not allow politic. Fight somewhere else please.
1:37 pm August 16, 2012
tssstein wrote:
Culturally uncouth. So what else is new?
1:34 pm August 16, 2012
Worl Peace 4 Ever wrote:
Why do you think Japanese are angry? It’s because of ridiculous and shameless Korean demands like claiming Takeshima Is Korean’s. And Koreans cast unreasonable complaints that the current Japanese government bowing to war criminals in war memorial shrine in Tokyo (even despite praying for the dead in the WWII and world peace), lie in history text books and doesn’t apologies (In fact, there are much less fact-oriented entries in Korean history textbooks and Japanese governments have been given sincere apologies to neighboring countries and areas in the Asia and the Pacific since the end of the war.). They are provoking Japanese, Vietnamese and black people. Japan is a peaceful nation. Korea attacked Vietnam and raped, killed and devastated their land during the Vietnam War. (Look into “Lai Daihan” in Wikipedia) Atrocity and inhumane acts that Korea committed in Los Angeles, induced 1992 Los Angeles riots, are insurmountable and can’t even begin to list here. It’s worst of worst hypocrites; they are the evil monsters.
Korea should sue Japan for war reparation for Trillions of USD more than what ever 100 Billion Won/Yen/USD. Japan stole and pillaged, Korea’s goods and natural resources from Korea during their illegal occupation for over 40 years Japan is way they are due to all the riches stolen from entire Asia they occupied. Not only they violated human rights, raped and killed Koreans, they have stolen goods and natural resources. It’s time to get back what’s been stolen. Japan makes trillions of USD each year from exports of its goods. How were they able to do this? By using stolen goods from Korea as a capital, they built up current industry and corporations. I would say Japan owe Korea about 100 Trillions of USD not to mention all the interest. Why isn’t Korea demanding this?
1:19 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Yes I do, I’ll ask IOC to take actionif someone raise a sign states “New York belongs to USA “, because it has nothing to do with Olympics, and should not be there. But the fact is no one will do that, because they’re following their oath. No one other than S Korean. Even N. Korean, who claimed the same island, did not do it. What a wonderful experience. You prove that you are inferior than N Korean in following Sportsmanship.
The Black American athletes were penalied in the past for stating a fact about human right. That’s more important than an island, but politic is politic. The US did not make all the excuses you’re making right now.
Per S. Korean standard, it’s not politic, per international standard, it is.
If you only wants to observe S Korean standard, then quit attending all international games!
You’re annoying the world.
Hold your sign all day long in S. Korean National!
1:15 pm August 16, 2012
@Worl Peace 4 Ever wrote:
You have to criticize Americans, which occupied the Philipines, British, which had had colonies across the globe, Spaniards, which had done around South America, French, which in Africa as you do Japanese.
The United States and other nations, which led the Allied Forces in the last world war, admit the legitimacy, based on the International Laws, of Japan’s control over the Korean peninsula for 40 years and support Japan’s right to own the Liancourt Rocks. It is ILLEGAL that South Korean occupation of the Rocks is!!
Ignoring the 1965 Japan-South Korea Basic Treaty and importunately demanding unreasonable request will spread your evil nationalism and dishonesty, so much as to easily neglect bilateral and international agreements and promises.
1:05 pm August 16, 2012
whoa wrote:
Seeing many Japanese here! Not all of you guys but some comments it is clear!
1:05 pm August 16, 2012
Worl Peace 4 Ever wrote:
Why Koreans are angry? It’s because ridiculous and shameless Japanese demands like Dokdo Is. and current government bowing to war criminals in war memorial shrine in Tokyo, lie in history text books and doesn’t apologies. They are provoking not only Koreans but Chinese and USA. Koreans are peaceful nation, never in its own history attacked any other country like Japan. Atrocity and in humane acts that Japan committed are insurmountable and can’t even begin to list here. It’s worst of worst inhumane; they are the evil monsters.
Korea should sue Japan for war reparation for Trillions of USD more than what ever 100 Billion Won/Yen/USD. Japan stole and pillaged, Korea’s goods and natural resources from Korea during their illegal occupation for over 40 years Japan is way they are due to all the riches stolen from entire Asia they occupied. Not only they violated human rights, raped and killed Koreans, they have stolen goods and natural resources. It’s time to get back what’s been stolen. Japan makes trillions of USD each year from exports of its goods. How were they able to do this? By using stolen goods from Korea as a capital, they built up current industry and corporations. I would say Japan owe Korea about 100 Trillions of USD not to mention all the interest. Why isn’t Korea demanding this?
1:02 pm August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
If am American athlete did something like that, say, running around the field holding up a placard read “New York belongs to USA “, would you see anything wrong in that, assuming that he is showing political stands there? I don’t see anything wrong with park’s behavior: /
12:46 pm August 16, 2012
Worl Peace 4 Ever wrote:
This can’t be political since the Island is part of Korea. Japan is ridiculously demanding something against even their own map from the past. Kim’s only demonstrating the fact against Japan’s absurd claim. He’s merely stating the fact, no politic. After illegaly occupying Korea for 40 years, Japan has no shame.
11:47 am August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The truth is, “All Korean wants is the privilege to have no negative consequences, even they show no intention to follow the Olympics rules.”
If that’s not true, stop whining then. Be responsible and accept the penalty.
11:32 am August 16, 2012
Cap'nCanuck wrote:
Korea is absolutely xenophobic! If they are not, then the word has no modern use.
11:22 am August 16, 2012
Boycott wrote:
@wsww “All Koreans want is is a recognition that their land is indeed their land”.
I don’t think people buy this. I think outside observers (I’m American) feel that S.K. is unreasonable and that their hatred runs deeply….far beyong Dukdo In fact, the modern Japanese , who are NOT responsible for political atrocities in the past, could likely do nothing to satisfy what appears to be an angry out of control national hatred by S. koreans towards the Japanese. Isn’t it obvious that not only do the Jpanese resent Korean actions in international sporting venues, but virtually no Westerner takes Korea’s side? And we are well aware of the historical record, we just disagree with many of your countrymen’s hostile stance.
11:09 am August 16, 2012
Marsela wrote:
@wsww “I don’t expect Park to be fully aware of Olympic rules” (insert Loud buzzer sound) Wrong! All Olympic athletes have to swear an Oath to keep politics from the Olympics.
I feel that people have sidetracked into talking about all the history and japanese colonial rule,etc”
Where do you think this talk came from? Like most issues started by South Koreans, perpetuated, professed over and over again…yet fwhen these “political” issue work against S.K. then they claim how sidetracked everybody is. Have you read your countrymen’s posts? Doesn’t ther hypocrisy strike you?
Yes, koreans do tend to bring up territorial history, but that is rather good than having the true history behind the relationships between japan and korea suppressed
Isn’t it obvious that the rest of the world doesn’t agree??
10:58 am August 16, 2012
wsww wrote:
It is irrational to argue that korea is being “xenophobic and full of hatred.” All koreans want (including park) is a recognition that their land is indeed their land. Koreans do have anti feelings against the japanese, but this isn’t even related to the issue. Koreans criticize. Yes, koreans do tend to bring up territorial history, but that is rather good than having the true history behind the relationships between japan and korea suppressed. I feel that people have sidetracked into talking about all the history and japanese colonial rule,etc. Anyways, I personally think that park should gain his metal back. Should Park be exempt from future international games due to this incident? No. Why? This incident is far from politics, and I don’t expect park to be fully aware of these olympic rules.
10:56 am August 16, 2012
Marsela wrote:
If Korea can’t behave then Kick korea to the curb…boycott Korean products, buy Japanese!! They’re better anyway!
10:15 am August 16, 2012
Boycott Korean wrote:
Koreans being so xenophobic and full of hatred to other nations, we can call them a spiteful people, but given how much they spit, they can also be called very spitful.
I think the right thing to do is to boycott Korean products such as cars or electronic items. Buying Korean is not different from buying Nazi German in the 1930′s and 40′s. If Koreans do not have blood on their hands, it’s not because of choice but due to national impotence. Those who purchase Korean products, know that you are bankrolling present xenophobia and a future crime of humanity.
9:40 am August 16, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
> 日本人ですさん
> 火病については、「火病の割合が多い」→「精神異常者の国」は短絡的ですよね。
確かに言い過ぎの面はあるかもしれません。
> そして、自分の国をそんなふうに言われたら誰だって腹が立つのに、
> あえてこの場で書くのは煽ってるとしか思えません。
煽りたくて言っているようには私には読めませんでした。
なぜならmixさんにとっては韓国も自分の国の一つだからです。
半分韓国人の血を引いているからこそ、悲しい気持ちを抱えながらも
理解できない同胞に対して厳しい見方をしてしまっている、と私には感じました。
・・・まぁ本題とは関係ありませんのでこの辺にしつつ、行く末を見守りませんか。
度々失礼致しました。
9:26 am August 16, 2012
SwissGuy wrote:
Park…no medal!!!S.K. does again, no invites to int’l events!
9:17 am August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The Japanese Government has their own faults in handling past issues. One prime minister appologized, and then the next one may insist that the war was totally justified, and so on. Their Government has shown no consistent behaviors regarding WWII. These, combined with the distorted history they try to teach in school, continues to affect how their WWII victims perceive them.
BUT, it has nothing to do with Olympics, and does not justify the Korean’s violation of Olympics rules. The Korean player needs to appologize to IOC, to all participants of Olympics, not to Japan, for their own behavior, and be ready to take the penalty from IOC. No politic is no politic. Currently, most Japanese people are born after WWII, are nice people, and should not be condemned because of what happened prior to their birth. They deserve the same respect as human beings, and as good athletes at Olympics.
The Korean needs to observe international manners and to move on.
9:04 am August 16, 2012
Mark@ last Post wrote:
I sincerely doubt that even if Japan ceded Dokdo/Takashima and scratched out the names of war criminals and never visited the war memorial shrine in Tokyo, changed the history books, or apologized again and again ) that Korea would relent.(There is already documented lists of official Japanese ambassadors and Prime Ministers apologies on WikiPedia that is pages long that many people on here fail to recognize). The national sentiment of this country has been indoctrinated to hate the Japanese…they’re taught it from a young age… and that will not change…they’d just keep asking for more…and keep instigating controversy like above in international sporting settings. Just know that non-Japanese are picking up on this unreasonable stance as well…and people are getting tired of it!
8:37 am August 16, 2012
@Mark wrote:
I sympathize with you, Mark.
As you might have deeply recognized, Koreans always raise the complex issues related to the last war, even though the topic that we discuss does not matter on history.
Most of the Japanese people have been insisting Park’s performance is politicized and never respects the Olympism. However, Koreans turn the point to historical matters or territorial rights all the time.
Japanese citizens always are fed up with their cowardly acts like this.
I hope Koreans sincerely stick to what they say: “We want to build FUTURE-ORIENTED relationships with Japan”- not bring forward their damages like comfort women, territorial dispute, colonial days, whenever they may fall into inconvenient or uncomfortable situations. Those issues had already been completely solved under the 1965 Japan-South Korea Basic Treaty.
If they want more of anything – more payments or so, they should ASK THEM FOR THEIR GOVERNMENT, NOT FOR JAPAN! DON’T “BEAT A DROWNING DOG IN THE WATER TO DEATH” AS KOREAN PROVERBS GOES!
7:14 am August 16, 2012
Trey japanese Apologies to Korea for War Atrocities wrote:
How manyofficial apologies from Japan do you want?
1980s
August 24, 1982. Prime Minister Zenko Suzuki. “I am painfully aware of Japan’s responsibility for inflicting serious damages [on Asian nations] during the past war.” “We need to recognize that there are criticisms that condemn [Japan's occupation] as invasion” (Press Conference on Textbook issue).[15]
August 26, 1982. Chief Cabinet Secretary Kiichi Miyazawa. “1. The Japanese Government and the Japanese people are deeply aware of the fact that acts by our country in the past caused tremendous suffering and damage to the peoples of Asian countries, including the Republic of Korea (ROK) and China, and have followed the path of a pacifist state with remorse and determination that such acts must never be repeated. Japan has recognized, in the Japan-ROK Joint Communique, of 1965, that the ‘past relations are regrettable, and Japan feels deep remorse,’ and in the Japan-China Joint Communique, that Japan is ‘keenly conscious of the responsibility for the serious damage that Japan caused in the past to the Chinese people through war and deeply reproaches itself.’ These statements confirm Japan’s remorse and determination which I stated above and this recognition has not changed at all to this day. 2. This spirit in the Japan-ROK Joint Communique, and the Japan-China Joint Communique, naturally should also be respected in Japan’s school education and textbook authorization. Recently, however, the Republic of Korea, China, and others have been criticizing some descriptions in Japanese textbooks. From the perspective of building friendship and goodwill with neighboring countries, Japan will pay due attention to these criticisms and make corrections at the Government’s responsibility. 3. To this end, in relation to future authorization of textbooks, the Government will revise the Guideline for Textbook Authorization after discussions in the Textbook Authorization and Research Council and give due consideration to the effect mentioned above. Regarding textbooks that have already been authorized, Government will take steps quickly to the same effect. As measures until then, the Minister of Education, Sports, Science and Culture will express his views and make sure that the idea mentioned in 2. Above is duly reflected in the places of education. 4. Japan intends to continue to make efforts to promote mutual understanding and develop friendly and cooperative relations with neighboring countries and to contribute to the peace and stability of Asia and, in turn, of the world”(Statement on History Textbooks).[16]
September 6, 1984. Emperor Hirohito. “It is indeed regrettable that there was an unfortunate past between us for a period in this century and I believe that it should not be repeated again.” (Meeting with President Chun Doo Hwan.)[17]
September 7, 1984. Prime Minister Yasuhiro Nakasone. “There was a period in this century when Japan brought to bear great sufferings upon your country and its people. I would like to state here that the government and people of Japan feel a deep regret for this error.”[18]
October 23, 1985. Prime Minister Yasuhiro Nakasone. “On June 6, 1945, when the UN Charter was signed in San Francisco, Japan was still fighting a senseless war with 40 nations. Since the end of the war, Japan has profoundly regretted the unleashing of rampant ultra nationalism and militarism and the war that brought great devastation to the people of many countries around the world and to our country as well” (Speech to the United Nations).
1989. Prime Minister Takeshita Noboru. “As we have made clear previously at repeated opportunities, the Japanese government and the Japanese people are deeply conscious of the fact that the actions of our country in the past caused suffering and loss to many people in neighboring countries. Starting from our regret and resolve not to repeat such things a second time, we have followed a course as a “Peace Nation” since then. This awareness and regret should be emphasized especially in the relationship between our countries and the Korean peninsula, our nearest neighbors both geographically and historically. At this opportunity as we face a new situation in the Korean peninsula, again, to all peoples of the globe, concerning the relationship of the past, we want to express our deep regret and sorrow (Speech in the Japanese Diet).
[edit] 1990s
April 18, 1990. Minister of Foreign Affairs Taro Nakayama. “Japan is deeply sorry for the tragedy in which these (Korean) people were moved to Sakhalin not of their own free will but by the design of the Japanese government and had to remain there after the conclusion of the war” (188th National Diet Session Lower House Committee of Foreign Affairs).[19]
May 24, 1990. Emperor Akihito. “Reflecting upon the suffering that your people underwent during this unfortunate period, which was brought about by our nation, I cannot but feel the deepest remorse” (Meeting with President Roh Tae Woo).[20]
May 25, 1990. Prime Minister Toshiki Kaifu. “I would like to take the opportunity here to humbly reflect upon how the people of the Korean Peninsula went through unbearable pain and sorrow as a result of our country’s actions during a certain period in the past and to express that we are sorry” (Summit meeting with President Roh Tae Woo in Japan).[21]
January 1, 1992. Prime Minister Kiichi Miyazawa. “[Concerning the comfort women,] I apologize from the bottom of my heart and feel remorse for those people who suffered indescribable hardships” (Press conference).
January 16, 1992. Prime Minister Kiichi Miyazawa. “We the Japanese people, first and foremost, have to bear in our mind the fact that your people experienced unbearable suffering and sorrow during a certain period in the past because of our nation’s act, and never forget the feeling of remorse. I, as a prime minister, would like to once again express a heartfelt remorse and apology to the people of your nation” (Speech at dinner with President Roh Tae Woo).[22]
January 17, 1992. Prime Minister Kiichi Miyazawa. “What we should not forget about relationship between our nation and your nation is a fact that there was a certain period in the thousands of years of our company when we were the victimizer and you were the victim. I would like to once again express a heartfelt remorse and apology for the unbearable suffering and sorrow that you experienced during this period because of our nation’s act.” Recently the issue of the so-called ‘wartime comfort women’ is being brought up. I think that incidents like this are seriously heartbreaking, and I am truly sorry” (Policy speech at the occasion of the visit to the Republic of Korea).[23]
July 6, 1992. Chief Cabinet Secretary Koichi Kato. “The Government again would like to express its sincere apology and remorse to all those who have suffered indescribable hardship as so-called ‘wartime comfort women,’ irrespective of their nationality or place of birth. With profound remorse and determination that such a mistake must never be repeated, Japan will maintain its stance as a pacifist nation and will endeavor to build up new future-oriented relations with the Republic of Korea and with other countries and regions in Asia. As I listen to many people, I feel truly grieved for this issue. By listening to the opinions of people from various directions, I would like to consider sincerely in what way we can express our feelings to those who suffered such hardship” (Statement by Chief Cabinet Secretary Koichi Kato on the Issue of the so-called “Wartime Comfort Women” from the Korean Peninsula).[24]
August 4, 1993. Chief Cabinet Secretary Yōhei Kōno. “Undeniably, this was an act, with the involvement of the military authorities of the day, that severely injured the honor and dignity of many women. The Government of Japan would like to take this opportunity once again to extend its sincere apologies and remorse to all those, irrespective of place of origin, who suffered immeasurable pain and incurable physical and psychological wounds as comfort women” (Statement by the Chief Cabinet Secretary Yohei Kono on the result of the study on the issue of “comfort women”),[25]
August 11, 1993. Prime Minister Morihiro Hosokawa. “I myself believe it was a war of aggression, a war that was wrong” (First Press Conference after inauguration).[26]
August 23, 1993. Prime Minister Morihiro Hosokawa. “After 48 years from then, our nation has become one of nations that enjoy prosperity and peace. We must not forget that it is founded on the ultimate sacrifices in the last war, and a product of the achievements of the people of the previous generations. We would like to take this opportunity to clearly express our remorse for the past and a new determination to the world. Firstly at this occasion, we would like to express our deep remorse and apology for the fact that invasion and colonial rule by our nation in the past brought to bear great sufferings and sorrow upon many people” (Speech at 127th National Diet Session).[27]
September 24, 1993. Prime Minister Morihiro Hosokawa. “I used the expression war of aggression and act of aggression to express honestly my recognition which is the same as the one that the act of our nation in the past brought to bear unbearable sufferings and sorrow upon many people, and to express once again deep remorse and apology” (128th National Diet Session).[28]
August 31, 1994. Prime Minister Tomiichi Murayama. “Japan’s actions in a certain period of the past not only claimed numerous victims here in Japan but also left the peoples of neighboring Asia and elsewhere with scars that are painful even today. I am thus taking this opportunity to state my belief, based on my profound remorse for these acts of aggression, colonial rule, and the like caused such unbearable suffering and sorrow for so many people, that Japan’s future path should be one of making every effort to build world pe
6:31 am August 16, 2012
Mark @Truth wrote:
No worries…you make some good points and to tell you the “truth” i find your perspectives relatively balanced.
As to why I thought you were Korean: “keep it up and you’ll be doing Koreans a lot of favor with your misled anger”..Truth this is not phrased the way a native speaker would phrase it. We would say ” “keep it up and you’ll be doing Koreans a big favor”…not a lot…I’ve never heard a native speaker phrase this in such a way, but I have heard second language learners do it. We also don’t really use very often “misled anger” in the context you used it.
You’re also using “analogy” out of context…or at least not skillfully. i understand you’re mocking my expression, but you don’t seem to have a good grasp of when to use it appropriately.
Finally, no offense but most Westerners do not know much about the historical Japanese-Korean conflict..and very few have an opinion on it. You do however, so it’s a bit unusual.
So, that’s all…no offense..i understand most of your points.
Finally, absolutely nothing wrong with calling a war criminal a war criminal…However, I think people disagree as to an appropriate context of when to use those words and who to direct them at. The war criminals are long dead…but it seems as the anger is directed at the modern Japanese citizen. That’s the way it feels. How would you like it, as people have pointed out on here, if people directed past South Korean atrocities towards Korean citizens? Even if you aren’t one…you seem like you’d still be offended right? So, there is a place and a time for that sort of behavior and the Olympics isn’t the place. That’s all.
6:16 am August 16, 2012
Viet326 wrote:
Atrocities perpetrated by S. Korean soldiers on Vietnamese civilians during the Vietnam war are well documented. Why are Koreans demanding Japanese apologies when they perpetrated war crimes as well? I don’t get it! Not saying the Koreans don’t need to stand up for their ancestors, just saying this thread stinks of hypocrisy.See below:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/754022/Villagers-recall-S-Korean-atrocities-in-Viet-War.html?pg=all
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2679007.stm
The last link is BBC!
6:14 am August 16, 2012
The Truth wrote:
@Mark
Okay let me get this straight .according to your “analogy”, a person with bad writing skills and a political point is Korean? Gee…biased. biased.
Read my comments again. I said that I agree on the point that no sportsman should bring political issues to the Olympic games and that I will respect the outcomes from FIFA regarding the Park issue.
And since when was it wrong to call war criminals “war criminals’? This isn’t out of hatred, it’s called historical facts.
5:39 am August 16, 2012
Gretzy wrote:
@Phil agreed! I’m Canadian and I agree with you 100%. People are tired of this kind of poor sportsmanship. My grandfather used to say: Bad stuff happens to people all of the time. The way you can test if someone has character or not is how they react. I think here…the international community agrees, S.K. has not handled this well. If you don’t like it….don’t get mad…change it…so we can cheer for you instead of against you!
5:32 am August 16, 2012
Phil wrote:
Park–no medal! Here’s the issue as I see it….when S. Koreans like those above scream and holler and profess anti-Japanese rhetoric, then they have to be open to 2 possibilities: 1) it may not look good on them as a nation…people simply don’t like when past politics and animosities are introduced into international sporting events, and 2) You can’t have it both ways. Some on here say, “How dare you be so insensitive to Korea and make nasty remarks!” Well, you don’t want to hear negative remarks about your nation, then don’t direct them at others. That’s a good basic and easy rule to understand! AND…it doesn’t matter if “they” started it first!…it’s just not a valid argument.
4:45 am August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I’m having deep concern regaring S Korea host winter Olympics. Apparently, the Korean people does not understand Sportsmanship nor Olympic Spirit, and can’t be depended upon to enforce the rule.
Many people already points out that it is not a question of what the sign says, but the fact that he is showing a political sign, in his own will.
You can argue that he did not “plan” it, but if he willingly participated in the event, it’s intentional in participation. You can kill someone impulsively without a plan, but it’s still intentional. The “unintentional” will be something such as the car brake broke and hit someone accidentally.
Olympic rules, however, says No politic (no matter whether it is intentional or not)
4:15 am August 16, 2012
Mark wrote:
Hey, @Truth …ahhh, ok apologies. i assumed you were because you write badly and communicate your points ineffectively, so my assumption was that you are a second language learner. My bad! But, I also thought it because you also seem to have a political point to make:
“Maybe Korea will lose over another fight with Japan like in the WWII days but I believe that one day Korea will come out strong and the whole world would get to know the ugly side of Japan”. Truth
You’re angry over the politics…I’m dismayed over the sportsmanship!I happen to agree with the political points, I just don’t like the anger towards one nation displayed by many netizens…I find it offensive and inappropriate especially in the Olympics. Am I entitled to have that opinion? You’re certainly entitled to yours!
4:13 am August 16, 2012
Mark wrote:
@Truth …ahhh, ok apologies. i assumed you were because you write badly and communicate your points ineffectively, so my assumption was that you are a second language learner. My bad! But, I also thought it because you also seem to have a political point to make:
“Maybe Korea will lose over another fight with Japan like in the WWII days but I believe that one day Korea will come out strong and the whole world would get to know the ugly side of Japan”. Truth
You’re angry over the politics…I’m dismayed over the sportsmanship!I happen to agree with the political points, I just don’t like the anger towards one nation displayed by many netizens…I find it offensive and inappropriate especially in the Olympics. Am I entitled to have that opinion? You’re certainly entitled to yours!
4:05 am August 16, 2012
Mark wrote:
@ifyouhavenoidea
You’re changing your tune…that’s not what you said earlier…you went on about rape victims. I was on topic!
I think you have it backwards sir or madam. Korean anger and hostility towards the Japanese has sparked people to react. If you don’t want negative comments that summarize some of the attitudes on this board directed towards Koreans, then carry yourself in a dignified way…examine your own hateful attitudes towards modern-day Japanese…then, i’ll certainly listen to you. I like Korean culture..i like the food..i like the people…I do NOT like the childish behavior in sports, the hypersensitivity, the anger, the anti-Japanese sentiment…you don’t want me to make “insensitive” statements start carrying yourself with pride…represent your country with honor instead of using antagonistic rhetoric.
4:00 am August 16, 2012
The Truth wrote:
@Mark
Mark dude! keep it up and you’ll be doing Koreans a lot of favor with your misled anger.
one more. why do you assume that I’m a Korean? Do you have proof or is it just another “analogy” of yours?
3:54 am August 16, 2012
Mark wrote:
OK, point taken,,,,my argument was for the “right’ or “wrong’ factor but it seems your talking about degree of the punishment! No argument there!
3:42 am August 16, 2012
If you have no idea, stay out of it wrote:
@mark
Since you appear to be having trouble understanding people’s comments on your random thoughts, including mine, let me clarify myself.
My earlier writing was NOT about Park or about his behaviors, and honestly, it wasn’t even about Japanese and their atrocities against humanity. Instead, it was aiming at YOU and YOUR unwarranted, insensitive and completely biased opinions about the Korean people.
The poll says “How Should Park Jong-woo be Treated?” Stay on that topic, and if you can’t manage that, stay out of it.
3:22 am August 16, 2012
at mark. wrote:
IOC had already said that they will wait for FIFA’s report.
FIFA has specified rules on these matters as well.
and it does matter weather it was prepared and planned ahean intentionally or not.
that’s why people are bringing that up here.
3:02 am August 16, 2012
Mark wrote:
Candice…it does not matter whether Park’s action was planned or not. He did it! It does not matter whether the sign was written in Korean or Japanese or English…it was a political statement and Park, as an Olympic athlete, swore to keep politics and athletics separate…and he didn’t! Don’t feel sorry for Yashiro’s comments….the hate appears one-sided and is clear to most…the real hatred lies with many South Koreans towards the Japanese. The world sees this! if you want to fight for justice for your countrymen who were slain in WWII, then we’re with you. But if you want to politicize the Olympics and bring your private animosities into games that are supposed to represent unity and good will…then stay home next Olympics!
3:00 am August 16, 2012
Scary trend wrote:
Japan is entering its second decade of Stagnation, Its electronics industry has lost its competitive edge, its manufacturing industry is also hurting badly from unfavorable FX rates, its electric power is about to go up from protests against nuclear power, its nationalist movement is instigating politics and affecting foreign relations, national borders are about to shrink from pressures by neighbors.
Japan thought that it could rewrite history if they won WWII. That is why they committed so many atrocities. However, they lost, and now will pay the price of their deeds. China, Korea and Russia, are no longer weaker than Japan, and together have much more say. Japan has no friends anymore.
Would anyone invest in Japan under these conditions??
2:31 am August 16, 2012
Candice wrote:
Park jong woo’s action was not planned. Even if it was, it wasnt for whole world to see as the sign was written in Korean only. Japan is only trying to make an issue to gather the free media. I am shocked to read such ignorant comments as Tsukiyama Yashiro’s. You are full of hate and I feel sorry for you.
2:26 am August 16, 2012
@Truth wrote:
I don’t even know where to start! I’m looking and I’m seeing Korean anger on this board….not Japanese (although there are some posts calling for a ban from international supporting events). I’m speaking for whole countries? I’m drawing analogies! You can’t see that? you claim to be speaking for past historical injustices on behalf of Korea. Right? So, I have an opinion too! AND you precisely proved my point…you say that WWII is not over…and that sir, with all due respect, is where people like myself have a problem. I also notice that many of your countrymen as evidenced by the posts have the same opinion. People do not want to mix politcs, ill will and sport! So, if you have a political cause…good…go for it….I think most people sympathize with Korea’s historical position. However, if you want to vent that anger in the Olympics by bringing politics and anti-Japanese sentiment into the games…then I believe I speak for many…stay home next Olympics!
2:18 am August 16, 2012
Mark wrote:
@if you have no idea…you are precisely making my point….poor behavior, anger, hostility, being willing to drudge up past grievances in an international sporting event. You fail to grasp a simple point–Of course, the Japanese perpetrated atrocities against the South Koreans. Who is arguing? Of course Koreans should demand justice. Who is arguing against that? What people are tired of is the manner in which people like you bring it up in inappropriate contexts like the Olympics. What people don’t like is the anger & hostility by which you do it! Do you UNDERSTAND? By displaying poor sportsmanship and hostility you do your countrymen a disservice.You want people to sympathize with your cause…well, you likely won’t get it with such behavior–THAT is the issue.
2:14 am August 16, 2012
日本人です wrote:
>a Japaneseさん
２ちゃんねるとかでよく目にしますね。
火病については、「火病の割合が多い」→「精神異常者の国」は短絡的ですよね。
そして、自分の国をそんなふうに言われたら誰だって腹が立つのに、
あえてこの場で書くのは煽ってるとしか思えません。
a Japaneseさんの英語で書かれている意見にはかなり同意ですけどね。
2:04 am August 16, 2012
Mark wrote:
@ifyouhaveno idea @ Truth
First of all, who said that I can’t voice my opinion? Did i try to speak for other nations? I drew an analogy. Your reactions and words are precisely what people are reacting against…the hostility, the anger, the politicizing of event. That’s my point!! Look at your behavior? Whether you choose to acknowledge it or not, you create a negative impression that reflects poorly on your country. Rape victims? Of course it’s heart breaking…you’re missing the point completely. Becuase japan committed atrocities in WWII against Koreans does that mean that athletes should harbor animosity against modern Japanese or vent that anger at the Olympics? Does that mean that all Japanese citizens should pay for something that their ancestors did? Korean soldiers committed atrocities against the Vietnamese. Should we all condemn modern Koreans? Take it out in the proper political forum….appropriate behavior…that’s the point! Fight for your countrymen with dignity and honor…don’t defame their memory with anger, insults, and poor sportsmanship. Your certainly not going to accrue any international support with behavior like that!
1:49 am August 16, 2012
Tsukiyama Akihiro wrote:
All the medals of South Korean players should be eleminated, and South Korea must be oustered in FIFA forever.
1:40 am August 16, 2012
FFS wrote:
This forum shows how people are brainwashed to become gung-ho patriots in Korea. I’m not saying there are no right wing influences in Japanese society. There are forces that are trying to overtly downplay the country’s wrong doings in WW2, obviously. However, those who are strongly critical also have strong voices, and even ones that are borderline anti-Japanese left wingers also have their places.
Can the same be said about South Korea? Where being labeled as Chilnilpa (pro Japanese) means social death? Where so called “collaborators” descendants’ wealth got lawfully confiscated by the government? Diversity of opinion on this matter is suppressed more in SK, creating people to go us(good)/them(bad) dualism. Yeah, what you say is unquestionably “The Truth” right?
1:21 am August 16, 2012
at pete wrote:
as we all know any one can write anything on wikepedia. And as a result it ends up getting just all the information people wrote in without any kind of evaluation, and time to time it provides false information and information that actually conflicts each other. everything i said are backed with evidences that actually exists, and korean government has been very casual about this matter because they already was in control of this island, it is the governments fault. and now historians and professors are saying it’s time to spread out the translated versions of all these documents and maps and pictures to out side world.
it is at it’s beginning stage. the funny thing is, that the person who translated so many of these information into japanese was actually a professor who is originally japanese. he himself had also believed what japanese government taught him, when he was younger, but as he was a professor and started teaching korean students, he got some questions from them, and as a professor he felt that he needed to actually research to give a responsible answer. and ended up getting more into investigating both side’s evidences and history. he now knows that there is no doubt this island is rightfully korean government’s.
and it is not true that japan has been constantly asking korea to bring this to an international court.
japan only asked to go to specific court 2 times long time ago, and when korean professor asked japan to bring this matter to arbitration, they never replied.
1:20 am August 16, 2012
If you have no idea, stay out of it wrote:
@mark
Since you’re a self-proclaimed “outsider”, first, I suggest you stay out of it, because you apparently have no idea about the Korea-Japan relationship to begin with. To use the Vietnam situation as part of your argument is ignorant at best and quite offensive to Americans as well as Vietnamese people.
Since you seem to have a lot of time on your hand, I have a nice suggestion for you. How about gathering a group of rape victims and giving them a nice lecture about “how to move on with their lives”. While you’re at it, take some pictures of your audience. I’d be very curious to see how they might react to your ridiculous argument.
So, how does the saying go???
“If you have nothing good to say, keep it to yourself or go to a planet where your opinions matter!”
1:12 am August 16, 2012
The Truth wrote:
@mark
>Japanese rarely vent anger or hatred towards the Korean
Just read all the comments on this page. Then, tell me that.
And if you are just an observer and not a Japanese citizen as you mentioned above how can you speak for the whole country?
Even if you were Japanese you wouldn’t be able to.
>Nobody is arguing with the historic atrocities
Once again, go up the page and read the comments. To further your insight on this matter do some research then speak out loud for your own sake.
I agree with your opinion that some people can see Park’s demonstration classless and poorly executed as an Olympian.
I am trying to see this matter as objectively as possible. I feel sorry that Park was handed over that sign saying Dokdo is our land in Korean. I feel sorry that he was banned from the ceremony for his action. And I feel sorry for the Japanese soccer players who have worked so hard for the medal but lost.
This matter was handed over to FIFA since the IOC couldn’t come up with a conclusion.
I can’t speak for the whole country but I am ready to respect the decision of FIFA. What I’m trying to say is that whatever the outcome, I think that Park deserves his medal for all the hard work he has put into the games and the fact that he is an excellent soccer player who honors his opponent players.
Watch this video of Park encouraging one of the Japanese players.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6khvpZMqws
I hope that FIFA will consider all of Park’s actions and not judge him by this one incident which is pretty controversial according to FIFA rules.
One more thing! who gave you the authority to speak on behalf of the whole country. First you write as you know the thoughts of every Japanese, then the U.S, then the Russians, Vietnamese, and now the whole world? You are going way over your head pal!
If you think the WW is over then you are too naive. There is an ongoing war between the countries but not with guns and bombs like in the old days.
Thus, I strongly agree that no sportsman should bring political issues to the Olympic games particularly at this time.
1:02 am August 16, 2012
please~ wrote:
it is really pointless to argue about this matter here people!
whatever you want to say to make a valid point, should be going to IOC and FIFA right now.
12:52 am August 16, 2012
Mark wrote:
@soccer Lover…his athleticism may deserve a medal, but his sportsmanship is what is in question. All Olympic athletes take an oath to uphold sportsmanship and refrain from politics…Park clearly didn’t!
12:50 am August 16, 2012
Mark wrote:
:
.@Bomini says:
“Did they take away the medals from the two African-American atheletes with “Black Panther Salute” on the podium as the American anthem was played and flags were being raised? No, they didn’t and they KEPT their MEDALS.”
Wrong…1968 Mexico City Olympics…Carlos & Smith were stripped of their medals and demonized back home. In fact, the IOC , at the time, was threatening to ban American track & field.
Next argument please…
12:39 am August 16, 2012
Soccer Lover wrote:
I hope FIFA concludes to forgive Park JungWoo’s innocent behavior, and give him back his Bronze Medal.
Please see his athleticism. HE DESERVE IT!!!!!!!
12:39 am August 16, 2012
lol japs wrote:
@Boycott Korean
You seem to go back 2 grammar school.
You have no idea about history. lol
12:27 am August 16, 2012
mark wrote:
One more point…many countries have experienced atrocities…Take Vietnam for instance. They would have every reason to be angry towards Americans over chemical bombings and destruction of their nation in the 70s and protest at a place like the Olympics, but they don’t…they have a dignified response and as a result the world sympathizes with their cause and admires them…Russia was victimized as well and American prisoners of war by the Japanese…and on and on. However, WWII is over…the Vietnam war is over…and thank god these people have moved on!
12:23 am August 16, 2012
mark wrote:
@Truth…here’s the problem! Nobody buys that argument except for South Koreans. The world sees it differently. Japanese rarely vent anger or hatred towards the Koreans, but netizens like yourself clearly do towards the Japanese–your hatred of the Japanese is engrained in your thinking and obvious in your words. Nobody is arguing with the historic atrocities…i think everyone agrees. Korea was wronged! I think what is obvious to the world, however, is Korea’s persistence to bring past animosities into modern and non-political forums like the Olympics. Most people think it’s classless and demonstrates poor sportsmanship.
12:15 am August 16, 2012
mark wrote:
@Truth I think S. Koreans don’t get it! Nobody is arguing that Korea wasn’t victimized! Nobody is arguing that the Japanese committed atrocities! I think, people agree. What people are complaining about is the fact that South Koreans continuously vent past historical and political complaints in international sporting events that are supposed to promote good will. For example, Vietnam would have every reason to be angry about injustices that included chemical bombings by Americans in the 70s. No question! However, do you see Vietnamese athletes or Russian athletes or Iraqis incessantly choosing international sporting events as a forum to promote past injustices? And it may even happen on occasion, but not like it incessantly does in South Korea. There is a time and a place for that and you won’t see a whole lot of sympathy from the world on Korea’s behavior in these matters. People do not disagree with history, they disagree with the “way” South Korea is going about the process. People feel Korean hatred…they feel their animosity…and it’s not a good example to set. South Koreans just don’t see that point. Your countrymen have been indoctirnated to hate the Japanese from an early age. WWII is over and has no place in modern sports. Honor your fallen countrymen by modelling good behavior and taking up past grievances in the appropriate political forums and contexts. Nobody has a problem with you not forgetting your countrymen, addressing past injustices, etc…but they do have a problem with the way you do it.
12:12 am August 16, 2012
The Truth wrote:
I admire the capability of the Japanese government of bringing the Dokdo issue as an international dispute.
I’ll give you that.
There wouldn’t have been a dispute in the first place if the Japanese hadn’t falsely insisted on claiming the island!
Now the whole world thinks that the Dokdo island is a controversial territory.
The Korean government is doing nothing to defend their rights.
When the tsunami hit Japan in March, 2011 the Korean government were the first to send help to Japan.
They’ve sent Japanese rescue, food, and money without any hesitation.
Now what? Look how the Japanese government lobby their way into international organizations!
Look what the press are saying all over the world!
Sea of Japan? Takeshima?
The Korean government should put more effort into presenting their country more properly.
Nonetheless the NGO are fighting hard for Korea.
Maybe Korea will lose over another fight with Japan like in the WWII days but I believe that one day Korea will come out strong and the whole world would get to know the ugly side of Japan.
12:03 am August 16, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
If he wants to make a political issue, it should’ve written in English or Japanese, not Korean!!
11:50 pm August 15, 2012
simple wrote:
As someone who has no interest in the issue, I think he should be banned for his behavior. It doesn’t matter whose side you are on. He made a political statement at the Olympics, and that is against the spirit of the Olympics. If Japanese athletes make political statements, they should be banned too.
11:43 pm August 15, 2012
The Truth wrote:
I understand why the people of Japanese nowadays can’t be as sensitive as Koreans and Chinese who were the victims of a war crime caused by Japan. How can the criminals understand the feelings of the victims, right?
If they were capable of that, they wouldn’t have been war criminals in the first place.
Japanese are insisting they have apologized to the countries they have wronged during the WWII while still covering up the truth by distorting historical facts in textbooks and politicians’ visiting to a controversial shrine dedicated to World War II dead.
For those who have learned that Japanese government has apologized to their victim countries check the wiki. You have been taught false information by your own government for a long time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_history_textbook_controversies
I wonder why Japan has territorial disputes with Korea, China, and Russia.
It seems like a behavioral pattern, don’t you think?
However, Park’s issue has been hand over to FIFA and now it is their job to come up with a fair conclusion.
Whatever the outcome, I will support Park’s athleticism. He deserves that bronze medal for all his hard work and dedication to his country. So does all of the Japanese athletes. Despite the fact they were in the uniform symbolizing the war crime flag, I want to believe they had no intention of conveying a political message to the public. Surely Japanese would not want to follow the steps of their ancestors’ who have brutally MURDERED, RAPED innocent citizens of other countries, right?
11:38 pm August 15, 2012
Veritas wrote:
http://www.truthofdokdo.com
I understand why the people of Japanese nowadays can’t be as sensitive as Koreans and Chinese who were the victims of a war crime caused by Japan. How can the criminals understand the feelings of the victims, right?
If they were capable of that, they wouldn’t have been war criminals in the first place.
Japanese are insisting they have apologized to the countries they have wronged during the WWII while still covering up the truth by distorting historical facts in textbooks and politicians’ visiting to a controversial shrine dedicated to World War II dead.
For those who have learned that Japanese government has apologized to their victim countries check the wiki. You have been taught false information by your own government for a long time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_history_textbook_controversies
I wonder why Japan has territorial disputes with Korea, China, and Russia.
It seems like a behavioral pattern, don’t you think?
However, Park’s issue has been hand over to FIFA and now it is their job to come up with a fair conclusion.
Whatever the outcome, I will support Park’s athleticism. He deserves that bronze medal for all his hard work and dedication to his country. So does all of the Japanese athletes. Despite the fact they were in the uniform symbolizing the war crime flag, I want to believe they had no intention of conveying a political message to the public. Surely Japanese would not want to follow the steps of their ancestors’ who have brutally MURDERED, RAPED innocent citizens of other countries, right?
11:34 pm August 15, 2012
mark wrote:
In my opinion, this is an easy matter to decide. As an outside observer (not a Japanese national) the Park action was political and he should be banned from a medal. By S. Koreans failing to acknowledge “Dokdo” as in dispute is simply irresponsible and dishonest at best. If this Island wasn’t in dispute, then why are S. Koreans so angry about it? Secondly, if by holding up a sign about “Dokdo”, Park is simply stating a “fact” then is it reasonable to assume that Koreans make it a habit to state facts at international sporting events? Ex. “Seoul is the capital of S. Korea”, “S. Korea has a population of 50 million”? That response is an insult to people’s intelligence. What is in question here is S. Koreans sportsmanship. Win or lose, time and time again they prove to the world that they neither know how to win with dignity or lose. If they win, they rub it in (Dokdo sign, 2002 World Cup mocking Ohno and the US) and when they lose they cry, scream, and blame others for decades…sending threatening texts to judges, posting their contact info online. Then netizens get on these boards and post how unfair it is for people to hold these opinions. Well, take a look at your behavior! Each time your countrymen display poor sportsmanship it tarnishes the national image of what is otherwise a productive and well respected country. Now, the world is tired of poor behavior like this! You don’t like it? Change your behavior then people will have sympathy for your cause. Be dignified sportsmen and show respect for the Olympic games, not use it as a forum to harbor past animosities. You love your country then show the world how great it is by modelling good behavior.
11:19 pm August 15, 2012
mark wrote:
hi
10:29 pm August 15, 2012
Troll wrote:
@From an American who loves America and Korea: Nice trolling ^^.
10:17 pm August 15, 2012
From an American who loves America and Korea wrote:
This is just another example of stupidity and wasting time on the part of IOC, chasing wild, imaginary, and controversial sentiments for the sake of media sound bites. What principles were violated when this young man exercised his belief briefly? I think his gesture was simply brilliant!
10:04 pm August 15, 2012
Pete wrote:
While never a perfect source, given the flow of this thread, I’m still much more inclined to believe the almighty Wiki on this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liancourt_Rocks#Dispute
quote: “Both nations’ claims extend back at least several hundred years.”
10:03 pm August 15, 2012
at at pete wrote:
While never a perfect source, given the flow of this thread, I’m still much more inclined to believe the almighty Wiki on this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liancourt_Rocks#Dispute
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liancourt_Rocks_dispute
quote: “Both nations’ claims extend back at least several hundred years.”
7:32 pm August 15, 2012
at pete wrote:
that island was never under 2 sided dispute for over 300 years.
it was only first claimed by japan in 1905, and was clarified to be korean in 1946 by Aliied powers.
in 1950 UN recognized it to be korean, the only other country than Japan who was being unclear was u.s. at the time sending secret letter to korea that was illegally made. and in 1998, they admitted that it had no legal power, and this doesn’t make the island japan’s.
if, anything, it was only for past 14 years that japan started claiming the island as theirs when korean government agreed to share the sea around it in 1998(before this japan was not even allowed in certain distance away from this island) and the document specified that this is for fishing rights only, but not the land. on the other hand, korea had this island exclusively from 512A.D
this is not even comparable to mere 14 years of sharing just the sea around it.
7:19 pm August 15, 2012
at park wrote:
the reason why korean fans are holding sign saying it’s korea’s is because japan was claiming with wrong reason first. if some one keeps insisting florida is Mexico’s and teach their students at school this is true to brain wash them, American fans will also say something back to them.
and also, it had something to with up cpming 8.15th holiday celebration. Dokdo idland is not just some land to koreans. it was the very first land that japan illegally took over when they started to concur over korea.
so, this little rock island became the symbol of regained freedom to korea. that is why it was being mentioned prior to 8. 15th since the date was pretty close.
7:13 pm August 15, 2012
let me clarify! wrote:
the uniform design issue is not related to Park’s behavior in any way..
people who are mentioning this is not saying to Japanese soccer fans.
it is targeted to IOC. who are not applying all their rules in same manner.
And, for the people who say it does not look like it, there was already an article that the designer of the uniform admitted that it was designed after rising sun, and some people already thought it was questionable but did not raise voice for it, thinking IOC was permitting that much freedom of expression.
which meant, that the rules were being applied pretty casually.
same goes to the situations of all the athletes having prayer poses in every category.
people who are bringing up the uniform matter, is just mad about how IOC is applying the rules unfairly.
if the conclusion is that park needs his medal taken away? fine.
but it also means, unless they also take away the medals from all the athletes who prayed and and wore the rising sun uniforms, that IOC is being exceptionally strict on Park for some reason.
6:45 pm August 15, 2012
Hey, Koreans! wrote:
Consult “unjustified complaints” in your dictionary! And look at a comment posted at 6:17 pm August 15, 2012
by “Why?” That’s a general perspective!
6:34 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I do not care who wins that game.
I do not care who owns that island.
All I’m saying is anyone breaks the rules needs to be punished, because I wants to watch sports in the future Olympics, not politics. You just can’t make any exception. It opens the door for future violation.
I don’t know why simply not agreeing with Park’s violation makes me a Japanese. I’m not.
Have IOC investigates them all, if there is any question.
6:30 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I’m not Japanese. Not a drop of my blood.
6:30 pm August 15, 2012
doubt wrote:
Anonymous, you said you are not Japanese? I hope you are not lying.
6:17 pm August 15, 2012
Why? wrote:
I cannot understand why Korean people relate the uniform of japanese gymnast to the rising sun flag. Their designs are mostly different.
6:11 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
South Koreans, you need to study correct history! search RAPING VIETNAMESE WOMEN BY SOUTH KOREAN SOLDIERS, you will see so many images & stories & youtube,
I don’t know why Koreans try to hide from teaching Korean students truth about your history. if you do few research about KOREANS’ RAPING VIETNAMESE WOMEN, you will have little bit of idea how you like shenanigans. South Korean government did not do any apology to VIetnamese that are involved.
Korea is good at hiding bad truth about Korea & still good at trying to steal the lands from Japan.
PLEASE DO RESEARCH & LEARN ABOUT HOW THE REAL FACE OF KOREA.!!
5:57 pm August 15, 2012
Park wrote:
Hmm… Some statements are really pathetic…
First: “Park’s performance was not politicized because Dokdo is South Korean islets.”
If the statement is crystal-clear, Park and the Korean spectator, who gave the sign board to him, did not need to show that message. (I think there are no Americans who show the sign in public that says ” Florida is Americans’ ” after an international match.) This case points out Park and other Koreans knew Liancourt Rocks are disputed islets. Therefore, his act had a political aim.
Second: “Japanese spectators showed their ‘Rising Sun Flag’, which deserves Nazi’s Hakenkreuz. However, this has not been punished or criticized. Why is that?”
Even if any Japanese spectators showed the flag, it does not matter. This is because of spectator’s act.
On the other hand, claming the right to possess the disputed islands was politicized and conducted by a PLAYER. It makes a crucial difference. Park blemished Olympism although he is a member of Korean national team. (In fact, the Rising Sun Flag is not internationally recognized as a Hakenkreuz.) This time such statements by average South Korean people show they do not respect and appreciate the Olympism, which aspires to create a world of peace and friendship. For them, Olympics is just an international sports event in which they show up their nationalism and downplay international efforts to long-lasting peace and friendships.
5:42 pm August 15, 2012
Pete wrote:
Something that has been under dispute between 2 countries for over 300 years can hardly be called fact from either side, and is highly political. I don’t care who has a better argument or more facts on their side. Using the most viewed international sporting event in the world to push a political agenda is just wrong.
And regarding IOC rules and religion – rules prohibit “political, racial, or religious PROPAGANDA” – saying a private prayer is a personal expression of religion, not an attempt to antagonize or convert others.
5:39 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
According to Korean, a fact is not politic.
Under the same logic, their government has no facts, because it’s all politic
5:36 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I agree it is not intentional.
Although he is Korean, he does not read Korean and does not understand what it means.
The ‘fan’ who gave him the sign did not tell him what it says, and was trying to frame him so he would get in trouble. Some of his team mates were not able to read either, others were trying to frame him as well.
Although he picked it up, his hands was not under his command, but is controlled by the excitement. His mind is telling him to drop the sign, but see, his hands was not controlled by him at the time.
Although he ran around showing the sign, he really did not do anything intentional. His legs did not follow his commands at the time either. Somehow, someone else controlled him. I belive he was posessed.
5:35 pm August 15, 2012
I'm so patriotic wrote:
For the players, the major concern for them is whether they still get the perk of being exempted from military service even if they get their medals take away. So much for patriotism…
5:24 pm August 15, 2012
Docdo is Korea's territory wrote:
Why is it a political issue? It is a FACT!
5:23 pm August 15, 2012
Pete wrote:
Comfort women are so far off topic from the Olympics, but FYI – Japan has apologized multiple times for comfort women, wwii crimes, etc. both with words and with money (1965, 91, 92, 94, 98, etc). Why are you even talking about 70 year old history? Americans/Europeans still direct hatred to Nazi Germany, but they direct it to the soldiers and leaders of the time, not to present-day Germany. It is only Korea and China that insist on complaining at every opportunity about anything/everything Japanese based on events that have long since been resolved in treaties, monetary compensation, apologies, etc for decades and decades. When will you ever get over this? Grow up and learn to play by the same diplomacy rules that the rest of the developed world plays by.
5:21 pm August 15, 2012
April wrote:
I have mentioned religious ceremonies above, because this happens so many times in Olympics in almost every category. and IOC does not allow politics in the game, but they also do not allow religious act in the games.
how is 1 rule more important than other?
all rules hold same power.
and Park jung woo hasn’t done anything religious, but another Korean player Park joo young already had prayer pose after his first goal in this game. that is what i am mentioning.
if IOC want to be so strict about it, yeah, Korean team will lose another bronze for Park joo young, Idifferent person than Park jung woo) but so will so many other athletes from various countries.
All rules need to have same amount of power and respect, and all of these should applied equally to every participant. that is all i am saying.
As far as weather or not Park jung woo should get the medal , or if the fact that he wasn;t able to participate in the ceremony was warning enough, it all depends on FIFA now, since IOC has already spoke that they will make decision after FIFA lets them know what their conclusion is.
there is no point of arguing to each other if he should get medal or not here.
it should be told to FIFA at this point.
And once you check FIFA rules about this matter, you will understand that what Park has done is not big enough of a crime to get his medal taken away, since it was not intentional prepared and planned a head.
5:05 pm August 15, 2012
HateUglyNationalism wrote:
What is so difficult to understand about the fact that the Olympics should not be politicized? The Olympics are not about the Liancourt Rocks, comfort women, the Second World War, …
What would happen if every country in the world would take its issues to the Olympics?
Park Jong-woo displayed poor sportsmanship, and should be punished accordingly.
4:54 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Japaneses, you need to study correct history! search COMFORT WOMAN, you will see so many images & stories & youtube,
I don’t know why Japan try to hide from teaching Japense students truth about your history. if you do few research about COMFORT WOMAN, you will have little bit of idea how Koreans feel. Japan government did not do any apology to Korea or other countries that are involved.
Japan is good at hiding bad truth about Japan & still good at trying to steal the lands from other countries.
PLEASE DO RESEARCH & LEARN ABOUT HOW THE REAL FACE OF JAPAN.!!
4:47 pm August 15, 2012
To IOC & FIFA wrote:
Please show us the fairness of FIFA
IOC has already shown us disappointing attitude in sports with their Double standards, favoritism and racism.
Japan had their players in 2012 london olympics,(other than soccer) wearing uniforms designed to look like rising sun flag. Even their own designer admitted what it was designed to be(rising sun flag), and the meaning of this flag is wherever the sun ray reaches, Japan will concur over. With, this meaning /symbol, they’d spread imperialism, illegally took over other countries , KILLED, RAPED, IN SLAVERED people. This is looked upon in same way as Nazi symbol to Asian countries. With the same reason it was banned in 2008 Olympics.
When nothing happened to their gymnastics performing in this uniform, Korean soccer player Park is under ‘investigation’ from IOC, because of his act came out of moment of excitement and burst of joy after the game. IOC rules weren’t being applied fairly here, and now IOC says it’s up to FIFA, avoiding there comment about rising sun uniform matter.
We expect to see better from FIFA. What Park has done was clearly not planned ahead or intentional.
one of the fans gave him the card written in Korean (not even in english or japanese), and he acted out of moment of insanity out of joy to get the very first olympic medal in soccer as a korean soccer player.
if a card that was fan made, that is not even written in a language that is being used as first or 2nd official language from other countries, seem to be offensive object.
the rising sun flag which is a symbol that clearly shows what it is, and also was the symbol of imperialism during WW2, should be found to be much more offensive.
there was already a case that UEFA had fined the German soccer association $31,200 after fans displayed a neo-Nazi flag at a European Championship match. Japan’s soccer team had fans at the 2012 london olympics using rising sun flag to cheer for their players and to stir up the hurt feelings from the past and fear into the Korean team. this is totally against sportsmanship and the spirit FIFA supports.
Saying nazi symbol is offensive and rising sun flag is not, is racism that shows when same things happen to asians, it’s not as important as when it happened to jewish / white people.
please show us that there still is a fair sports organization who acts upon what they believe in.
4:45 pm August 15, 2012
Not a hater, just an observer wrote:
I wanted those wanna-be rock stars, known as the Samurai Blue, to lose to The Reds. Unfortunately in grand Korean style, Park has demonstrated yet again that they are the World’s ugliest winners (and losers). Oh, he’ll get his medal….even if the KFA has to replicate one for him.
4:38 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
so jealousy Japenese can’t take that they lost… and trying to take bronze medal from Korea
4:37 pm August 15, 2012
Laugh wrote:
@ Anonymous Japanese also VIOLATED OLYMPICS RULES by designing Japanese gymnasts uniforms with war criminal flags. It is a form of propaganda too. Teach Japanese Olympics rule too. They are sneaky
4:33 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Japan fans warned about rising sun flag
Japanese sporting fans have been warned not to fly Japan’s “rising sun” flag at the Olympics, because it might anger Chinese, who have been taught to identify the flag with Japan’s militaristic past:
“We explain in a safety guideline for Japanese tourists coming to see the Olympics that the old military flag may cause trouble,” Norio Saito, a Beijing Embassy official told Reuters on Friday.
The “rising sun” flag, with 16 rays extending from a red sun on a white background, was displayed by the Imperial Japanese Navy and is still the emblem of the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Forces, as the current navy is known.
The embassy guideline notes that flags and banners of a political, ethnic or religious nature are banned at Olympic venues and discourages Japanese tourists from showing items that could conjure up bitter memories of the wartime past, which still haunt Sino-Japanese ties six decades later.
http://www.japanprobe.com/…/japan-fans-warned-about-rising-sun-flag/
http://www.reuters.com/…/us-olympics-japan-flag-idUST35118820080808
4:32 pm August 15, 2012
Laugh wrote:
@ Anonymous, Japanese VIOLATES the Olympics RULES TOO by designing war criminal flag in gymnasts uniforms . This is also clearly a form of PROPAGANDA too. You are avoiding to hear the truth. We are wasting time and energy to make you to see the truth. I suggest you to study History (not published or approved by Japanese government because they are altered) before you making a statement.
4:31 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_international/547040.html
please see how Japanese athletes designed their uniform… why only Korean!! why can’t say anything to Japanese athlete who wore forbidden RISING SUN FLAG?
4:29 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Japan is trying to steal Asia’s little islands from Korea, China & others.. Why…? can’t Japanese stop stealing…?
4:27 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
No one is arguing about whether Dokdo belongs to or not belongs to Korea.
It’s a fact that he violates politics. IOC needs to punish him, and hope that would teach the Korean international rules.
4:27 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
This isn’t about restitution or “prizes.” That’s to presume that Dokdo somehow belongs to Japan. Dokdo has belonged to Korea since the time of the Silla Dynasty (that’s 52 BC, my friend). Japan started claiming Dokdo as
theirs when they rose in power in the beginning of the 20th c–to be specific, right around the time of the Russo-Japanese War (1904-05). The ambiguity that exists now has largely to do with the San Francisco Peace Treaty of 1952, which did not mention Dokdo outright but did state that islands not mentioned would belong to Japan. The problem with the treaty, however, is that it was signed during the height of the Korean War (1950-53), and Koreans weren’t even able to be at the table to ratify or dispute the claims made in it. So goes the validity of a treaty that involves the territory of nations yet weren’t ratified by all of them. The whole thing, of course, is problematic and a bit messy. But from the perspective of the Koreans, Dokdo has always belonged to them, without question or doubt, and that explains why they are outraged that the Japanese would have the nerve to claim it. I’d like to know the Japanese side, too, but so far, I’ve yet to read a really valid argument.
4:25 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
http://9gag.com/gag/5047900
please click this link. is it right for Japan ethletes to wear PLANNED Rising Sun Flag….?
How Japanese gymnastic athletes should be treated then…?
4:24 pm August 15, 2012
Sunny wrote:
@ Anonymous
Dokdo is Korean territory, and that’s a fact too.
You say that Japan was wrong in WWII.
Well I am sorry to say that you are still wrong.
4:17 pm August 15, 2012
to Anonymous wrote:
That rising sun uniform is so old school Jap military admiral isoloku would be proud to wear the at a pool
4:16 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Pearl Harbor has nothing to do with Olympics either. Japan was wrong in WWII, that’s a fact.
WWII has nothing to do with S. Korean’s violation of Olympics rules. If you cannot follow the rule, don’t attend Olympics!
4:15 pm August 15, 2012
to Anonymous wrote:
That sun flag uniform is so old school Japanese military Yamamoto Isoloku would love to wear it to the pool!
4:13 pm August 15, 2012
to Anonymous wrote:
that uniform is soooo old school Yamamoto isoloku would be proud to wear it in a public pool!
4:10 pm August 15, 2012
to what thehell wrote:
If Japan is that honorable and believable then Pearl Harbor never happened and pigs could fly. It is Japan’s MO to appear innocent while sticking a knife in your back. They said they will not file a formal complaint, but one of their minions inIOC could for its paymaster!
4:06 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
@ April
Apparently you don’t understand what “politic” means. Any government duty is politic. There is domenstic politic and international politic, but politic is politic. If Dogdo belongs to Korea, it’s domestic politic. If it belongs to Japan, it’s international politic. Olympics does not allow politic.
Mr. Park’s act has nothing to do with religion, nor prayer.
AS for the sun uniform, if you really think it’s an issue, bring that to IOC as well. It has nothing to do with Mr. Park’s event, though.
4:05 pm August 15, 2012
Japanese wrote:
@ Anonymous. Please do not say anything anymore. It is embracing for Japanese. It is very poor analogy. Rule should applied equally.
3:57 pm August 15, 2012
April wrote:
the rising sun flag is a total different issue than weather or not Park broke the rule or not.
the reason why people are mention this is , because the rules of IOC need to be applied fairly to all countries and all players, to avoid being seen as an organization that supports, racism, favoritism and double standards.
if they want to allow certain amount of freedom of expression to some one, it has to be allowed in same manner to all.
if they want to be dead strict about all the rules including even the ones that were not prepared ahead,
the rising flag uniform, with no doubt, is a problem.
and korean soccer team would also lose another medal, since Park Joo young already knelt down in prayer pose after he had his first goal.
and so many other athletes in london olympics who had prayer poses will be disqualified.
and out of all this, the rising flag was specifically banned to be used in 2008 olympics already, which means that IOC had already official recognized this to be offensive internationally.
if they want to disqualify Park. it is fine as long as they disqualify every other players who had such act as praying poses and wearing rising sun uniforms, and who showed any act reminding of any religion.
it is about being fair.
And the reason why korean fans are explaining about the island’s history is because once you knw the truth, there is no reason to call that comment political to begin with.
3:56 pm August 15, 2012
somebody wrote:
dude here’s one Chinese who thinks that the double standard is a load of shit and Yamamoto Isoloku can wear that uniform to the pool.
3:54 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I’m not Japanese, and I don’t care about who won that game.
I’m tired of hearing Politic that has nothing to do with me here in US
3:53 pm August 15, 2012
What "the" hell............... wrote:
> mud slinging goes both ways pal….
You are missing the point pal……..
Japanese side did not appeal for investigation to be taken. It was IOC acting on their own to honor their
charter. In fact, Japanese Football Assoc even publicly stated that they will not issue a complaint.
So it is SK that is unilaterally slinging mud at IOC and Japan.
3:53 pm August 15, 2012
Sunny wrote:
Whoops!
my last line should be–> the land doesn’t become his land.
3:50 pm August 15, 2012
Sunny wrote:
@Anoymous
So I see you are a true ‘rule follower’, which is good for you.
However, we all know the truth that’s behind this nonsense.
The truth is:
1. You were(are) so upset about the result of the game.
2. You wanted to do something to ruin Korean’s joy.
3. Walla! You saw the sign and found out what it meant. What a delightful moment it was for you!!
4. You decided to use this to create an international shame.
5. Even though you keep saying it’s all about rules, you know that it’s not the real reason.
6. No matter what you say or believe, Dokdo has been always Korean territory, and I don’t see
any reason not to say the island is our territory. Just because somebody wrongfuly keep insisting
that my land is HIS/HER land, the land becomes his land.
3:43 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
No one pereives it as a sun uniform, other than the Korean, and only after the IOC investigates Mr. Park.
Not even Chinese, the enemy of Japanese in WWII.
And the Olympics rules do not allow bartering either. If both are wrong, both should be punished.
It’s foolish for Korean to bring that issue up anyway.
It’s like telling the police “I should not get a ticket although I’m speeding, because other people are speeding, too” Are you having any intention to follow the law?
3:42 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Koreans teach xenophobia in their society. This is by and large a domestic problem. We may feel contempt for them, but still see it as an aspect of their sovereignty. However, once Koreans use the Olympics as an instrument to engage in racist and xenophobic propaganda, then it becomes an issue for the IOC. In that way, they message being written in vulgar Korean language or any other language is irrelevant. This is an attempt to spread hate through the Olympics. It makes no difference whether the subjects of the xenophobic propaganda are Korean or civilized people…
3:38 pm August 15, 2012
Bori wrote:
Japanese wouldn’t be cared if they won. They brought this issue because they lost. What a immature act.
If Japanese and IOC think this is really political issue then they have to look at uniform of japanese women gymnastic. They put rise sun flag on their uniform which was banned after world war 2. It is same things if German teams put Nazi mark on their uniform. Park, jong woo didn’t planned that ceremony, he was just holding that sign given by one of Korean fan. But Japanese women gymnastic planned put Sun Rise Flag mark on their uniform before they come to Olympic. Which one should be concerned more? If IOC think this is political isse and decide to take a medal away from Park, Jong Woo then they should take away all medal from Japanese.
3:38 pm August 15, 2012
ML wrote:
http://www.truthofdokdo.com
It is written in Korean, Japanese and English. Very informative and educational.
You need to be educated , people.
3:35 pm August 15, 2012
to what the hell wrote:
mud slinging goes both ways pal….
3:32 pm August 15, 2012
somebody wrote:
to Anonymous: The issue here is that the rule isnt applied equally. Japanese gets a free ride on the rising sun uniform, which is also political ina more insiduous manner because it is very subtle, yet very profound because the according to the uniform designer herself the idea came from the old Japanese naval flag during WW2. Perhaps you’re insensitive to it because you represent the executioner not the victims. Yes Park violated IOC rules as an individual but Japan violated the same rule as a team! A whole lot of hyporisy that Japan represents indeed. But then again what do you expect from a nation that still worship war criminals in Yazukuni shrine?
3:31 pm August 15, 2012
What a hell...... wrote:
All the talk about gymnasts’ uniform is such a lame attempt to divert the discussion. If it really is that provocative, and the link to rising sun flag undeniable, why haven’t anyone complained earlier? After all, gymnastics at Olympic started 13 days prior to the bronze medal soccer match. Nobody made a big fuss about it for almost 2 weeks, but now you are claiming to be offended all the sudden?
3:24 pm August 15, 2012
Pete wrote:
Isn’t it ironic that while you guys are trying to defend this athlete, you’re also continuing to do the same thing he did: usurp a public international forum for shouting to the world why some islands are rightfully yours.
3:22 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
If an American held a card saying Hawaii is ours, I want IOC to punish him as well (& yes, I’m US citizen).
3:21 pm August 15, 2012
to Japanese wrote:
Just accept that you lost and try hard to do better in 2016 games. And if you japanse feel so anguish, write
Tokyo is Japan’s land in Japanese during next olympics. No one will say anything about it since it’s out of your love towards your land.
3:20 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The majority of Korean apparently believe that they have the rights to violate Olympics rules, because they were victims of WWII.
Where is the sportsmanship? Olympic spirit? Common sense?
Really, Korean shows the world how poorly they act in an international game. No appology, only excuses.
3:17 pm August 15, 2012
April wrote:
Anonymous, IOC has already spoke that they will wait for FIFA’s decision on this matter.
FIFA specifies rules of this matter, and if you read it, it is targeted for the situation that it was intentional, and planned ahead. for ex) it is designed into their shoes, uniform, whatever accessories to be worn by players, or the ball itself. and this was clearly not the case.
and i already explained why this island is not a territory that Japan has right to claim.
just because some one keeps on insisting, a lie, it should not turn into a matter that needs to be solved at a court, and an area that is political.
this is a same situation as if American fan had a card saying hawaii is ours! and all of a sudden, japanese fans are saying this is a political matter. with the long explanation i have provided above, there are more evidences to prove that the island already had been recognized by both side countries to be korean.
with that reason Korean government never even saw this island as political area, but japan started claiming that this was a political area to america. And now IOC had done this, Japan will now claim that even an international organization like IOC admits that this island ‘is’ a political area. that’s why what IOC had done actually is more of a political act, to support 1 country’s side on a matter that should only be solve between the 2 countries. this is not something IOC can express their opinion on, if they want to stay out of politics.
3:17 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
@ Sunny
Please read the Olympics rules. it’s not a question between Japan & Korea, but a question of a Korean player violating Olympics rules.
3:14 pm August 15, 2012
Sunny wrote:
The fact that this case became a ‘big issue’ in such a short time indicates that
‘someone’-asssummably a jap- got extremely jealous about Korea’s victory
and started this whole nonsense.
Dear Japanese, I don’t think you guys have any idea of what you have done to
so many innocent humanbeings throughout the history. If you are doing this still
even though you KNOW the history, then you must be totally out of mind.
Just leave other countries alone and learn about yourselves. Pathetic creatures…
3:00 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
@ April
Because next Olympics, you’ll have all “fans” from each country bring their own sign and gives to their country’s player…AND it would be OK to do it if Mr. Park is not punished.
2:58 pm August 15, 2012
Boycott Japanese wrote:
Why are Japanese people becoming more aggressive and pronouncedly more political in their actions to take another country’s land recently? Are they beginning to feel they have the military capabilities and power to overrun other nations as they had done when they started the World War II with the Nazis?
2:57 pm August 15, 2012
BostonJ wrote:
How can the IOC take away a sports medal for a political reason? If it was something like cheating or steroids, then it is acceptable, but Park was just holding up a sign that supported the beliefs of his homeland. I thought the Olymics was about representing your nation? Well if thats the case then Park deserves his medal for an outstanding performance in a brilliant soccer match and for representing Korea.
2:56 pm August 15, 2012
April wrote:
is it really political, when it was written to be read by korean fans? i Koran is not a language that is being used as internally shared language, and it is not even official 2nd language in any other country.
even when your county’s politicians go to international meetings, they use english to communicate with each other, or professional translators are there to speak for their country’s person. if that person was talking to his own country’s people who are not politicians, in a language that is exclusively theirs, no one takes this as political comment that he made to outside world,just because they were there to hear some sound coming out of their mouth.
it is only political, if it was prepared by the member and was planned all along to be used afterwards to give out certain message targeted to the other political party.
that card was not even written in english or Japnese, and clearly was targeted for Korean fans to read.
August 15th is the korean national hollyday to celebrate the day Korean regained back their independence.
between korean fans, Dokdo island, how ever is the symbol of korea’s regaining independence in Korea.
that is why the fans are using that card since the date of the game was close to that day.
and, also japan claiming that this island belongs to japan and is not a territory that was concluded to be granted to korea, is based on this thing called ‘Lusk letter’
this was a letter that American government secretly wrote to korea after allied powers decided that Japan needs to return this island and Korea. the Allied powers were not aware of this act, and america only did this, because japan offered that if america sided with them, they will let american pilots use this island as their practice area.
this was clearly america breaking the agreement that they had agreed to at Potsdam Declaration .
According to this declaration, they had to make official decisions of territorial matter of countries that were taken over by Japan with Allied power, but not by itself.
Later, American government saw the possibility of confusion of this letter, and opened it up to out side world in 1998. and they made it clear, that this was a letter of America’s individual opinion at that time, and it had no association with Allied force . thus, this letter does not make this island into a Japanese territory.
Japan also claims to dokdo because of treaty of sanfransisco does not specifically wrote down dokdo to be returned.
In the process of making treaty of san fransico , there were 11 drafts until it was completed.
from 1~5th draft, Allied countries wrote down Dokdo to be returned to korea.
6th draft, amerca tried to grant this to Japan since they offered to let american pilots use this island as practice area. Allied powers disagreed. so it was back to korea on 7th draft.
8th draft, america re tried to grant this to japan. again, the allied powers disagreed. (at this time, korea was going through korean war, and could not even be presented there. but all the other countries saw it being wrong that it wouldn’t be returned to korea) so on 10th draft it was written down to be korean once more.
on the final draf (11th) it specified japan returning Ullengdo and had no specific mention on dokdo.
but, prior to all this, in 1900 Korean king Gojong had already announced Ordinance No. 41 to have Ulleungdo, administer Dokdo, re insuring the possession of both islands to the world, and this was also officially recognized legal world wide, including western countries. At the time, there was a group of people (from various countries) visiting Dokdo for international investigation, and Japan also had their member presented there, but no complaint was told since Japan also thought of Dokdo as Korean territory.
so, korean government had no question that since it is specifying Ulleng do to be returned, dokdo comes as part of that island. it is same concept as hawaii being made with several big and small islands, but just because you don’t specifically name all the small ones, it is not part of hawaii.
after korean war was over, the first president of korea wanted to make sure of this, and asked america to mention this island’s name, and then america sent that Lusk letter above.
but later korean government asked allied powers again , and heard that allied powers had already granted this island back to korea, since the Treaty of San fransico was made to return all the lands and islands that was illegally taken over by japan.
so, unless America represents the whole world’s opinion, and can overrule allied powers decision, and king Gojong’s declaration that was already legally accepted by the international laws in 1900, this has no logic what so ever that this island belongs to Japan.
in 1998, America has already made it clear, that this was their individual opinion at that time, and this does not grant this island to japan, and in 2012 now America just doesn’t want to be involved.
2:55 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The problem is that if he is not punished, next Olympics, you’ll see Japanese carry a sign stating “Takeshima belongs to Japan” in Japanese, Chinese carry a sign stating “Tibet belongs to China” in Chinese, and so on. Under his example, these does not count as “politic”, right?
Does anyone really want to see all those messages during a Sport’s event?
2:52 pm August 15, 2012
미씨USA wrote:
남에땅을 내땅이라 한것도 아니고 … 내 나라 땅을 내나라 땅이라 하는데 뭐가 잘못인가요 ?
그리고 박 선수가 직접 만들어서 들어올린것도 아니고 관중석에서 날아온걸 들어올렸을뿐인데
뭘 그리 잘못했다는건지 .. 당최 이해가 안갑니다 …. 박종우 선수 메달 꼬옥~~~~ 돌려주세요!!! .
2:48 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
@ Christine
His fault is that he did not follow Olympics rules. I don’t care who owns that island. I wants to watch Sports, and Sports only, not advertisement from each country.
He needs to learn how to follow the rule. Japan was wrong during WWII.
Mr. Park IS wrong during Olympics 2012.
2:40 pm August 15, 2012
SL wrote:
why is it so offensive when it is written in Korean. No one other than Korean can understand anyways. If Park really meant to offend Japanse, he should have prepared sign himself and written in English. He has worked so hard to be in London. He should have treated better and received a medal.
2:40 pm August 15, 2012
Sportsmanship wrote:
The fact is, no one other than the Korean perceives the Japanese uniform has anything to do with the sun flag, or it would be complained by other Asian countries already. China, especially.
IOC does not punish anyone just because one party “claims” something that no one else perceives.
2:40 pm August 15, 2012
Christine wrote:
Dokdo is Korean territory. Who decides this is political issue? Only Japan who wants to steal Korean land just like they do from Russia and China wants to make it as a political issue. What is Mr. Park’s fault? He only claimed that is true. On the other hand, Rising Sun flag which was banned from Olympic in 2008, because this is the stigma of Japan’s shameful evil history to other neighbor countries, which offends and reminds them as holocaust was cleverly designed into Japanese gymnastic uniforms. If Mr. Park’s medal is going to be taken away, then all the Japanese gymnasts’ medals should be taken away too. Rule should be applied equally to both countries.
2:40 pm August 15, 2012
somebody wrote:
just watch… Japanese hater squad will be on my post like flies on shit…. drowning anything that they deem to be nuisances. How many will come?….. Lets start counting!
2:35 pm August 15, 2012
somebody wrote:
regarding the rising sun uniform, yes it is abstract enough to be excused, but could the same be applied to swastika on uniforms if it is abstract? The problem here isnt substance but if one is politically correct enough (or slimy) enough to express your agenda without getting in trouble with the IOC. Japan is a master at PR while Korea is a moron at it,. Japans MO has always been sneaking around and stabbing you in the back when your not looking. A very honorable tradition indeed.
2:33 pm August 15, 2012
ML wrote:
First of all, I am truly offended with this sort of survey and its negative comments. Where are Olympic spirits? As we all remember, we were all drenched with the joy and applause during the Olympics thanks to individual nation’s athletes without any questions. However, now there are little Olympic spirits left but the childish comments. Has anyone seen the video clip of Mr. Park and fellow Japanese player after the game? They were all true Olympians on the ground that day trying to encourage each other regardless of the result. But what are we doing here? Shame on you,everybody. Time to grow up. Those young players representing your country are much bigger persons than all of you here.
1:57 pm August 15, 2012
T wrote:
@Comment
Ah… excuse me, Japan did not appeal anything about this issue. Someone put the picture in the internet, and IOC is the one who started investigating the fact, as you know.
Celebrating opponents after a game is just normal behavior as a good athlete, nothing special. The Japanese do, the Americans do, the Brazilians do… Is it special for Koreans to do so?
I honestly think that most Koreans probably didn’t know that you were going to be punished if you bring any political messages in the Olympics. Many Korean supporters in the stadium were actually showing the slogan. The Korean captain revealed that they were planning a ceremony for the island… These behavior are impossible to do in the international occasion.
Not only the player was careless, but also the nation itself is. They should grow up and start learning how they behave to communicate with other nations.
1:45 pm August 15, 2012
Pete wrote:
There is international consensus that Hawaii is American, Okinawa is Japanese, and London belongs to the UK. There is no consensus, but rather ongoing disagreement that Dokdo/Takeshima belongs to Korea. Thus it is an appeal to international consensus of the Korean opinion on the matter, and hence a political statement. All Koreans know this, because if it were not the case, nobody would be interested in carrying signs that hold the same meaning as “Seoul belongs to Korea.”
1:36 pm August 15, 2012
Sportsmanship wrote:
@Can’t understand IOC
It’s politic if a UK player holds a sign states “London belongs to UK”.
WHY DO IT IN OLYMPICS GAME???
1:34 pm August 15, 2012
Pete wrote:
For the record, contrary to quotes being cited from the Korean Football Association, Park did not “pick up” a “discarded” sign while celebrating. As you can see, he reached into the stands to take it from someone:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/431411/thrown-onto-the-pitch-490×360.jpg
And as a designer, on the entirely unrelated issue of the rising sun uniforms, I dont think there’s anything wrong here. Since the rising sun is already a stylized version of the Japanese national flag, and the uniforms are also a stylized version of a red sun (whose rays are different shapes and colors from those of the rising sun flag); I think that whether or not there was inspiration from the original rising sun, it is abstracted enough to be a reference to the standard flag sun as much, if not more so, than to the rising sun. And regardless, an abstract image than resembles another is entirely different from an explicitly written political message regarding currently ongoing international affairs.
1:33 pm August 15, 2012
@Can't understand IOC. wrote:
The thing Park did is just same : Hawaii is American. Okinawa is Japanese.
1:33 pm August 15, 2012
Can't understand IOC. wrote:
The thing Park did is just same : Hawaii is American. Okinawa is Japanese.
1:29 pm August 15, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
@Sportsmanship
I absolutely agree with you.
1:27 pm August 15, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
@Comment
- you dont have to speak about a number of meaningless topics.
- the biggest problem is that “the athlete(and Korean soccer team)” , not spectator, displayed a political slogan(however many many many Korean spectators displayed a political slogan in that game like below).
http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/dqnplus/imgs/b/b/bbbcd517.jpg
- the gymnasts’ uniform of Japan NEVER resemble the Rising Sun flag(not war crime flag).It goes without saying that the uniform includes no political intention.
>You should check your reading comprehension skills.
you should foster the ability of thinking logically in a calm manner.
1:11 pm August 15, 2012
Sportsmanship wrote:
The rule states: NO politic in Olympics.
Whoever claimed it’s not politic, please retake English 101. Apparently you do not understand the language.
It has nothing to do whether the statement is correct or not.
DO NOT attend Olympics if you do not want to follow the rule.
1:04 pm August 15, 2012
LOL wrote:
@Anonymous : and if being idiotic and spiteful was an Olympic category, you will win the gold medal for sure!
1:00 pm August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
If spitting was an olympic category, Korea would grab several more gold medals. IOC is racist.
12:35 pm August 15, 2012
Comment wrote:
@ a Japanese
Who says anything about replacing one problem with another?
You should check your reading comprehension skills.
The Korean soccer team defeated Japanese soccer team fair and square and won the bronze medal.
The Koreans will be rejoicing by now if it weren’t for the Japanese who appealed to the IOC about Park’s ceremony.
Despite all the drama, Koreans will support Park Jong-woo for his hard work and excellent athletic skills whether he’s given a medal or not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6khvpZMqws
watch this video of Park encouraging one of the Japanese players after the game.
and that my friend is what you call a true Olympic spirit.
12:24 pm August 15, 2012
Comment wrote:
@ a Japanese
How do you know that the man waving the war crime flag is not Japanese?
And very interesting choice of words you are saying- “war crime” flag.
It’s always good to hear Japanese using the word “war crime” for themselves.
And one more thing. pls. read the linked article carefully, then we’ll talk.
I think you are not understanding the article clearly and what it is implying.
In fact I don’t think you are getting any of my words.
Once again, let the IOC investigate both issues “separately” because they are both irrelevant issues.
I’m just saying that it is against the Olympic spirit to only look into Park’s matter alone whereas Japanese has a issue to look upon as well.
12:18 pm August 15, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
@Comment
Do you wanna replace the problem with something else?
you should face the core of an issue of Korea soccer team’s political performace.
12:08 pm August 15, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
@Comment
It’s nonsense.
originally, the gymnasts’ uniform have little to do with the big issue of Parks Jong-woo’s performance.
and the uniform MUST NOT be designed to symbolize the flag.
NOT ANYBODY said so…without Korean, like you.
the war crime flag is NOT popular for MOST JAPANESE.
12:06 pm August 15, 2012
Comment wrote:
@a Japanese
and this too!
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/sports/topics/AJ201205120041
12:03 pm August 15, 2012
Comment wrote:
@ a Japanese
check this out.
http://9gag.com/gag/5047900
11:57 am August 15, 2012
Hyeri wrote:
IOC give a brozen medal to him.
His ceremony is not intention.
11:53 am August 15, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
@Comment
Originally, NOT ANY JAPANESE waved the war crime flag.
Because the war crime flag is not popuilar.
The man waving the flag in that game IS NOT JAPANESE.
http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/dqnplus/imgs/5/c/5cf03fb1.jpg
11:53 am August 15, 2012
Comment wrote:
@a Japanese
Despite the fact that the war crime flag was banned from the 2008 Beijing Olympics, Japanese spectators displayed the same war crime flag in front of the public during the 2012 London Olympics.
Moreover the gymnasts’ uniform was designed to symbolize the war crime flag.
How are the above two facts not violating the Olympic spirit?
I am not trying to say that the war crime flag and Park’s incident are the same problem. Of course they are not! In fact I am strongly suggesting that these two matters should be considered “separately” by the IOC.
11:40 am August 15, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
@Comment
your comment is unreasonable. you should reason logically.
because the biggest problem is that “the athlete(and Korean soccer team)” displayed a political slogan.
it definitely not the same problem.
11:25 am August 15, 2012
かみ wrote:
#日本の #蛮行 極悪した日本人 Japan’s wartime atrocities [ photos http://durl.me/33fqpc
11:19 am August 15, 2012
Comment wrote:
@a Japanese
IOC should also look into Japanese spectators waving the war crime flag and gymnastics’ uniform.
I genuinely support the the idea that the Olympic is not the place to deliver political messages.
Therefore let the IOC consider both issues: Park Jong-woo and the Japanese war crime flag. how about that?
11:15 am August 15, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
> 日本人ですさん
あなたが何十年日本に住んでようと知ったことではありませんが、
韓国の少なくない割合の方が何らかの精神疾患を持っているという情報はよく目にしますよ。
Wikipediaで「火病」をご参照下さい。
まぁ思っていても口にはしませんが。
> mixさん
韓国人の血を引いていてもあなたのような国際性かつ論理性の高い見方を出来る方がいると
知り、良かったと思いました。
11:01 am August 15, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
IOC and FIFA should pay attention to the Korean soccer team’s political action in the Olympics. Remember in 1968, when two black athletes never was approved to participate in any official games, after sendng polical message against racism at the Mexico Olympics. It was not a matter of right or wrong about the message but the Olympic games are simply not the place to send political messages.
10:27 am August 15, 2012
YURI LEE wrote:
i am so sorry that his medal was withheld because of his courageous ceremony. i think he would never mean to be political. he wasn’t premeditated before he took an action. as a Korean, i wanna say thank a Korean player for showing his patriotism and would things go well, but also i wanna say that he should have been more careful in front of global media.
10:04 am August 15, 2012
Disinterested observer wrote:
Koreans are sub-human. They should be grateful to Japan for civilizing them through colonialism. If anything, Japan should come back and finish what it began: teach these Vulgareans some basic manners…
8:56 am August 15, 2012
日本人です wrote:
sorry, I just realized it wasn’t good to write a post in Japanese only. I just wanted to tell mix not to post something not true.
8:52 am August 15, 2012
日本人です wrote:
私も今回の件では韓国の選手がしたことにかなりショックを受けていますが、ちょっと聞き捨てならないので言わせてください。
＞mixさん 『日本では韓国は精神異常者の国と認識されてますが』なんて日本で３０年住んでて聞いたことありません。そんなことを言う人がいたら、かなり白い目で見ますね。確実に。それに、ネットのアンケートもネットではアンチ韓国人が多いので信用できません。
ネットだからこそ慎重に言葉を選んでください。
8:43 am August 15, 2012
Veritas wrote:
@ rising sun : Pepsi?? it’s not even funny! go be an idiot somewhere else!
@ T: I partially agree with your thoughts that the rising sun flag issue is irrelevant with Park Jong-woo’s issue.
IOC must look into this matter whether or not Park receives his medal. They must open up a new case regarding the Japanese rising sun flag issue. Thanks for pointing it out T!
Koreans will support Park no matter what. He did not have any intention on delivering a political message. His act was a kind gesture of appreciation for a fan who has been cheering for him throughout the game. Nobody even cared about Park’s action until the Japanese appealed to the IOC after they lost their game with Korea.
Even if the IOC withholds Park’s medal, Park will receive a warm welcome from his country for his hard work.
8:01 am August 15, 2012
mix wrote:
私は日本と韓国とアメリカのmixですが、韓国の選手はもうオリンピックに出ない方が良いと思いました。 だって、今回のオリンピックでわかったと思いますが、言い訳・言い掛かり・挑発・わがまま(だだをこねる)・そして政治的パフォーマンスetcのオンパレード。 正直韓国の血が入っている自分が恥ずかしいし憎いですし韓国が嫌いになりました。(お父さんには申し訳ないけど、、、)
日本では韓国は精神異常者の国と認識されてますが私も最近そう思います。
ネットでは日本人の94%が韓国が大嫌いというアンケートが取り上げられていたり、韓国の日本が一番嫌いな国と言うアンケートについて紹介された記事のコメントには、『韓国と初めて意見があった、すぐに国交断絶しよう』と言うコメントや国際司法裁判所に韓国が出る必要がないと言う事に対して『韓国弱すぎlol』『出たら負けるからな。逃げてる韓国おもしろすぎlol』などの韓国が弱い国と言うコメントが多数あります。
今回のも、韓国の人達は事の重大さをわかってないです、そして韓国の選手は違反は違反なのでそれなりの処罰を与えられるべきです。
私は竹島は日本の領土だと思います(takeshima belongs to Japan)
7:51 am August 15, 2012
Jessica wrote:
The “Nisshoki” more commonly known as The Rising Sun Flag was flown during the attack on Pearl Harbor and during the occupation of other asian countries such as China and Korea. Entertainment Weekly named the Hiroko Koshino’s gymnastics uniform one of the best of the Olympics. The Japanese athletes shouldn’t have been allowed to compete wearing those uniforms. This is a slap to the face of the US and countries that were inhabited by Japan. Would the Olympic still give a medal to the German athlete who wore a slightly altered Swastika on there uniforms designed by a “legendary designer”? How is it at the 2008 Beijing Olympics people were warned not to fly the rising sun flag, but at the London Olympics it’s okay? How is it that there are no repercussions to the Japanese wearing the Rising Sun Flag on there uniforms? How can survivors of Pearl Harbor sit still and watch the Olympics while the rising sun flag on the Japanese uniforms remind them of the people they lost. I wish that some people would be more aware and research before praising a design or designer and more equality with the IOC. I would like CCN to issue a statement about the Rising Sun Flag on the Japanese uniform. I know that if there was a Swastika or an SS on an athletes uniform that it would be all over world news.
6:04 am August 15, 2012
ATTENTION wrote:
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCMENT: Tsushima Island is South Korean territory. Yup! It’s the Koreans’ island! So now that that’s decided, I’m just gonna happily and deludedly go on with my life. Also, I’m gonna troll on all the people and Japanese athletes who say otherwise and demand that they give up any accolades they have earned because they broke the rules by saying the island is actually Japanese territory. Ok thanks bye!
6:00 am August 15, 2012
T wrote:
I think IOC will take his medal off eventually. They will be strict and won’t give an exception in order to maintain their dignity, after all. If they act properly, then we don’t have to see this type of problem in the future.
5:40 am August 15, 2012
Adrian wrote:
Although politics have been brought up a lot in the Olympic’s past, one being with the United States and the U.S.S.R., it should be discouraged as much as possible so we can appreciate the athletes. I voted for giving him the medal since he earned it, but banning him from certain international events.
5:36 am August 15, 2012
T wrote:
The Koreans claimed it was OK because the slogan was written in Korean… Are they kids?
I’ve never heard of such an ignorant comment. Whatever the language is, you must not bring any political issues into the Olympics, bottom line.
The Charter should be added, “Any political actions should be banned even written in Korean.” Now, they understand.
5:24 am August 15, 2012
rising sun wrote:
if ppl keep mentioning uniform that resembles rising sun, then it should be noted that the s. korean flag resembles pepsi logo. pepsi is not an official sponsor of the olympics so the korean flag should be barred to. . .
5:15 am August 15, 2012
T wrote:
“What about the Japanese flag?” “What did the Japanese gymnasts do?” “Look at what Japan has done to us…”
Any of these have nothing to do with this issue. The issue is if the Korean player violated the Olympic Charter or not, that’s all.
5:05 am August 15, 2012
Ashra wrote:
http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/kurrism/imgs/5/a/5a3b54e4.jpg
You can see the illumination of Rising Sun at the closing ceremony of London Olympic.
4:41 am August 15, 2012
Sportsmanship? In Korea? wrote:
Korean soccer players are ignorant and unsophisticated hicks, valued for their physical skills, not for their thoughts. Remember the Ohno speedskating dance in the 2002 World Cup? Sportsmanship is a foreign loan word that doesn’t exist in Korean. Nobody in Korea has ever demonstrated the ability to discuss emotive issues involving Japan rationally and the Korean media are eternally incapable of professionalism. They are trapped in a Groundhogs Day of such tantrums and meltdowns. With Korea so deeply ensconced in its own world anyway, let the IOC decision stand on Park internationally and let Korean compensate the kid at home.
4:27 am August 15, 2012
jen wrote:
Give Park his medal…
4:26 am August 15, 2012
john wrote:
What the heck is going on with the IOC??? 1936, IOC says the Nazi salute is ok. In Mexico Games the black power salute is not ok. 2012 Japan can sport the Japanese Imperial flag(not IOC sanctioned flag of Japan) on their uniforms with fans regularly waving Imperial flag which is like waving the Nazi swatstika in the stands. But a guy holds up a sign that promotes an island in Korea and there needs to be an investigation? There was also the Australian boxer who wore a t-shirt with a the aboriginal flag on it and IOC forces him to apologize. What a joke.
3:18 am August 15, 2012
Cleo wrote:
FYI – a Japanese already threw a brick at the South Korean consulate in HIROSHIMA.
They frequently kick Korean school children in Osaka.
3:17 am August 15, 2012
Cleo wrote:
none of these options sound right so I didn’t vote – he should get a medal to show his grandkids because he earned it and against the Japanese who raped and erased Corean life as it once was organicallly and he shouldn’t be at the ceremony to punish him for breaking the rules
Think about how good the comfort women will feel hearing that a young man stood up for Korea against the Japanese – it’s not just about Dokdo, it’s about everything that Japan did to foul up Corea and its serenity.
3:08 am August 15, 2012
Bullshot wrote:
It doesn’t matter what you rant here, the dude is being treated like a hero back home and will be granted all the benefits of a bronze medalist, including a draft waiver, a cash bonus, the Olympic medalist’s pension, and a “bronze” medal if the IOC decides to withhold it.
2:58 am August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
@ Boycott Koreans : dude! CLICK if you can handle the truth. read and learn then we’ll talk.
http://9gag.com/gag/5047900
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze
2:55 am August 15, 2012
CLICK! wrote:
@ Boycott Koreans : dude! CLICK if you can handle the truth. read and learn then we’ll talk.
http://9gag.com/gag/5047900
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze
2:50 am August 15, 2012
CLICK! wrote:
CLICK if you could handle the truth!
http://9gag.com/gag/5047900
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze
@ Boycott Koreans : dude! check these out first then we’ll talk.
2:41 am August 15, 2012
julia wrote:
He should get his medal
2:31 am August 15, 2012
ridiculous wrote:
@ Osake48.. ok so that means Japanesse gymnastic athletes should give up their medals too by “intentionally” wearing horrofic uniform that symbolizes rising star flag. THat is what CLEARLY violates the IOC rule. If you don’t know what this means, go learn Japanese history during WWII.That flag should never be displayed in the public espcially Olympics. Japanese should feel shameful of that flag if they have not done so already!
2:30 am August 15, 2012
Hans wrote:
Japanese broke the spirit of Olympic by wearing rising sun flag , Olympic is not WWII (Japanese =rising sun flah , nazi = swastika )
1:49 am August 15, 2012
Hmm... wrote:
Wearing rising sun themed uniform = wearing Nazi swastika themed uniform
1:42 am August 15, 2012
Bomoni wrote:
Did they dake away the medals from the two African-American atheletes with “Black Panther Salute” on the podium as the American anthem was played and flags were being raised? No, they didn’t and they KEPT their MEDALS. They did eject them from the Olympic village, though. All Park did was to carry a sign given to him by a fan in the heat of the moment. There was no premeditation or planning. IOC already banned him from the podium ceremony and any further IOC action would imply IOC’s siding in the island issue.
1:21 am August 15, 2012
Hailey wrote:
@ Growupkorea : It has everything to do with Japan and if you can’t see that maybe you should grow up.
Japan should be banned from the Olympic Games yet to be held, as long as they are willing to use the rising sun flag.
Park Jong Woo’s incident should be taken into consideration separately from the rising sun flag issue.
It is such a disgrace even being mentioned in the same argument!
How dare you Japanese be so bold enough to flag the rising sun flag so proudly in front of the whole world after all you have done to other countries? Have you not learned anything from the past? You should be ashamed of yourselves!
Those who are not aware of the Japanese horrific atrocity during the WWII, just google it up and you’ll get the picture.
1:11 am August 15, 2012
Osaka48 wrote:
There is nothing to debate. Park clearly violated the IOC rules. He should be denied the medal and drafted into the military where is anger can be put to good use.
1:01 am August 15, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
What is shameful is that the Korean team continue to support him. If they were true Olympians, they would have punished the player prior to any rulings from the IOC.
Because they didn’t, the entire team should forfeit their medal to the Japanese as they clearly do not adhere to the Olympic spirit.
12:47 am August 15, 2012
Pissed off Japanese wrote:
I think that anybody would agree that
Japanese Empire was much like the Nazi Empire
and therefore
The Rising Sun Flag is like the Swastika
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_occupation_of_Burma
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_occupation_of_Cambodia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_occupation_of_Guam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_occupation_of_Hong_Kong
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_occupation_of_Indonesia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_occupation_of_Malaya,_North_Borneo_and_Sarawak
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_occupation_of_the_Philippines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_occupation_of_Singapore
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_occupation_of_Thailand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_occupation_of_Vietnam
12:46 am August 15, 2012
Growupkorea wrote:
It has nothing to do with Japan. Korea simply breached Olympic Charter and should get deciplinary action.
12:31 am August 15, 2012
Park Chung-hee wrote:
Option 7: Give Park his medal, and bomb Dokdo.
12:29 am August 15, 2012
Rational Thinking wrote:
The issue at hand is the poor sportsmanship of Park Jong-woo at an Olympic event, by making a political statement regarding the disputed ownership of the Liancourt Rocks/Dokdo/Takeshima.
@Anonymous: Maybe I should also copy-paste the definition of ‘territorial dispute’…
11:59 pm August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I agree with Option 6.
Some Korean newspapers reported that, in an interview soon after the third place match, the Korean captain said that the team had planned a goal celebration with the aim to appeal South Korean sovereignty over the disputed islands.
This was not carried out, but instead they did banzai after their second goal. An article on the Korea Economic Daily suggests that in Korea the ritual is normally associated with their liberation from the colonial rule.
http://www.hankyung.com/news/app/newsview.php?aid=2012081126447&sid=010610&nid=000
8:02 pm August 14, 2012
Morgan wrote:
Japan fans warned about rising sun flag
Japanese sporting fans have been warned not to fly Japan’s “rising sun” flag at the Olympics, because it might anger Chinese, who have been taught to identify the flag with Japan’s militaristic past:
“We explain in a safety guideline for Japanese tourists coming to see the Olympics that the old military flag may cause trouble,” Norio Saito, a Beijing Embassy official told Reuters on Friday.
The “rising sun” flag, with 16 rays extending from a red sun on a white background, was displayed by the Imperial Japanese Navy and is still the emblem of the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Forces, as the current navy is known.
The embassy guideline notes that flags and banners of a political, ethnic or religious nature are banned at Olympic venues and discourages Japanese tourists from showing items that could conjure up bitter memories of the wartime past, which still haunt Sino-Japanese ties six decades later.
http://www.japanprobe.com/…/japan-fans-warned-about-rising-sun-flag/
http://www.reuters.com/…/us-olympics-japan-flag-idUST35118820080808
8:01 pm August 14, 2012
@wa wrote:
What makes you think that anyone critical of Korean xenophobia & racism is Japanese? Too much conditioning eh…
7:59 pm August 14, 2012
Dana Lee wrote:
If Park Jong Woo is questioned for grabbing thrown Korean written placard from a fan in joy of winning, Japanese teams (especially, gymnestics) who took Rising Sun flag themed official uniform and their soccer players and fans used Rising Sun flag as a cheering tool should be banned and punished.
Rising Sun flag to Asians is Nazi Swastika flag to Jews and European.
In London Olympic Japan’s rhythmic gymnastics wore an official uniform themed from Rising Sun flag.
This is EXTREMY POLITICAL matter against Olympic Spirit and also INSULTs other Asian countries for the horrible past they had to suffer during world war II. But this Japanese rhythmic gymnastics, soccer players, and fans received no warning and restrictions at all. Japanese teams should be banned next Olympic and Rising Sun flag or sign should never be allowed to be shown ever again in any Olympic sites.
7:39 pm August 14, 2012
wa? wrote:
@boycott korean, Koreans are full of hatred to other nations??? What about the f’n Japanese…. Think before you tyoe
7:09 pm August 14, 2012
Olympic spirit wrote:
Option 6: It’s not fair for only Park Jong-woo to have his medal taken away, since soccer is a team game. So in the spirit of collective punishment, the whole team should have their medal taken away and banned from international games.
7:07 pm August 14, 2012
Stephen wrote:
Surprise surprise. Who didn’t see this coming? The IOC should ban him from competing next time around if Korea refuses to grow up and deal with it themselves. Pathetic and typical from that particular country.
6:46 pm August 14, 2012
Observer wrote:
Option 5: Give Park his medal, but let him serve for two years on the island that cannot be named.
5:51 pm August 14, 2012
Boycott Koreans wrote:
Koreans being so xenophobic and full of hatred to other nations, we can call them a spiteful people, but given how much they spit, they can also be called very spitful.
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