A Slogan for Korea, Not the Olympics
Reuters
Park Jong-woo holds a sign reading “Dokdo is our territory” after his team’s victory over Japan.
It’s a slogan that South Koreans—presidents included–rally around at home, but Park Jong-woo is now clear it doesn’t impress the Olympic organizers.
Park was part of the South Korean Olympic soccer squad that arrived back in Seoul on Sunday after their bronze-medal winning performance—one of the highlights of a successful London Games for South Korea. Park may not be getting his gong, however, after he held aloft a sign that read “Dokdo is our territory” following the third-place play-off win against Japan on Friday.
The sign, one of several in the crowd, was passed to Park by a spectator after the end of the match. Dokdo refers to the Liancourt Rocks, which are about halfway between Korea and Japan. Seoul controls the islets but Tokyo also claims ownership.
The Korean Olympic Committee sought to play down the incident, saying in a statement that Park picked up the sign “in the heat of the moment” and noting that it wasn’t a pre-meditated act. Nonetheless, the action violated the Olympic Charter, which bans political statements by athletes.
Park’s actions took on extra significance after the visit to the disputed islets by South Korean President Lee Myung-bak on the day of the game, a move which prompted a protest from the Japanese government and the recall of Tokyo’s ambassador in Seoul. At least some of the signs in the crowd at the game were likely written to drive home the message after Mr. Lee’s trip.
International Olympic Committee President Jacques Rogge said a decision will be made about whether to give Park a medal after the case is reviewed by FIFA, the global soccer governing body. The act could have further consequences if Park is denied the exemption to South Korea’s military service that the soccer team earned by securing a medal at the games.
Park wasn’t present during a ceremony at Incheon airport to congratulate the team. He also missed the medal presentation ceremony in London on Saturday after the IOC told South Korea to keep him away. The team batted back questions about the incident at the event at Incheon, and Park has no doubt been told to keep a low profile.
The issue of the Liancourt Rocks stirs strong emotions in South Korea because Japan’s claim to the islets is seen as one of the last vestiges of Tokyo’s colonial past. Slogans asserting South Korea’s ownership and pictures of the islets are relatively commonplace in Seoul. KBS, the national broadcaster, has a cable TV channel showing the islets 24 hours a day.
There has been plenty of online support for Park among Koreans and a front-page headline in the English-language daily Korea Times on Monday asked, “Is IOC overreacting?”
Other commentators have lamented the unnecessary controversy, which has taken some of the gloss off of a great performance by the national team.
For Park, it appears to be a case of overlooking the implications of spreading a familiar nationalistic message amid the joy of beating arch-rival Japan for South Korea’s first Olympic soccer medal. For FIFA and the IOC, it’s a question of whether that’s a good enough excuse.
Reuters
The South Korean soccer team, minus Park Jong-woo, receive their medals.
http://blogs.wsj.com/korearealtime/2012/08/13/a-slogan-for-korea-not-the-olympics/tab/comments/
6:39 pm August 13, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
i agree with his views but i firmly believe he shouldnt have done what he did, it wasnt necessary and he killed the spirit of a great victory..
If he doesnt receive a medal and/or doesnt receive exemption from the military, then so be it.. really regretful but i think the point must be made…
geez, why isnt anyone teaching the players some basic common sense..
this is coming from a korean
7:41 pm August 13, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
He made the worst memory for Japanese people in this Olympic.
9:09 pm August 13, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
they should still give him the medal which he earned..there are many IOC decisions in the london olympic which shows that IOC is not for asian..they should first learn asian history..another is the korean fencer lost to semi-finals..though IOC admitted it was their fault but they did not corrected the decision..who is the racist then..
9:37 pm August 13, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
This judgment is right.
The problem is the fact that he raised a placard on the Island……
This is Olympic.
10:50 pm August 13, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
how can it be political when it is a fact that dokdo is part of south korea.please learn asian history first.or google SCAPIN677.when the japanese imperialism was ended, dokdo was excluded to japan’s teritory, thus returned to the rightful owner.IOC itself cannot define which is political when they did not noticed the japanese imperialism design of japan’s gymnastics uniform.and we did not hear any sanction and IOC even awarded the gold medal.
11:31 pm August 13, 2012
nanashi-san wrote:
I don’t know why Koreans try to make things mix up by bringing our SunRise Flag. In case many stupid Koreans don’t know, I will explain it. SunRise flag is not something Koreans can make it as the symbol of invasion or whatever, it is still used as the flag in our Self Defensive Force. It is of course used officially now! Don’t even think that you can make it your stupid excuse! Koreans did violate the rule by performing the politic propaganda. That is the only fact here and he should be punished from IOC and FIFA. Korea should apologize to the world for this terrible behavior and she should swear to public not to do it again. That is the bottom line. We should think if we could allow him to get the medal or not after.
11:33 pm August 13, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
In addition to polluting the spirit of Olympic –
he displayed critical fact that Korea has territorial dispute between Japan, which Korean government has always denied
11:36 pm August 13, 2012
Jun-ichi wrote:
In summary, Korean propaganda demonstrated in the Olympics field was systematic campaign.
Most of Korean players enjoyed the propaganda by Park Jong-woo together with a smile, and never stop him. (See evidences below.)
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM4TSNq4FAM
>http://photo.sankei.jp.msn.com/essay/~/media/essay…
>http://imgnews.naver.net/image/003/2012/08/11/NISI20120811_0006865496_web.jpg
11:45 pm August 13, 2012
Gabriel wrote:
Can someone please explain the “He may not be getting his gong…” comment by the writer
11:48 pm August 13, 2012
John Kim wrote:
SWASTIKA = RISING SUN FLAG
11:55 pm August 13, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
This is what Japan has done:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRs4EJ-O5Kw&feature=player_embedded#!
11:58 pm August 13, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Rising Sun Flag. The fact is that it is a symbol of the Japanese Empire, period. To Chinese and Koreans this is a reminder of the atrocities that Japan did during the occupation period (i.e. experimenting with Korean and Chinese citizens, and raping the Chinese and Korean women by the Japanese army). The Japanese have apologized thousands of times for this period, but continues to promote this symbol, which to Chinese, Koreans and the rest of the world is a symbol of the Japanese Empire. To Chinese and Koreans the Rising Sun Flag is the equivalent of the Swastika (which is still used as a Buddhist symbol) to the Jews.
11:58 pm August 13, 2012
TO nanashi-san wrote:
nanashi-san this is the quote from the wikipedia. this is why koreans bringing up the issue of the rising sun flag. “The Rising Sun Flag (旭日旗, Kyokujitsu-ki?) is the military flag of Japan.[1] It was used as the war flag of the Imperial Japanese Army and the ensign of the Imperial Japanese Navy until the end of World War II. The naval ensign and a modified version of the war flag continue to be in use by the Japanese Self-Defense Force, the design is also incorporated into many commercial products and advertisements. However, as the flag was heavily used by the Japanese in the conquest and the occupation of East Asia, it is seen as offensive in countries which were victims of Japanese colonialism, largely because of the war crimes perpetrated by the Japanese military”
12:00 am August 14, 2012
samasama4 wrote:
Some Korean newspapers reported that, in an interview soon after the third place match, the Korean captain said that the team had planned a goal celebration with the aim to appeal South Korean sovereignty over the disputed islands.
This was not carried out, but instead they did banzai after their second goal. An article on the Korea Economic Daily suggests that in Korea the ritual is normally associated with their liberation from the colonial rule.
http://www.hankyung.com/news/app/newsview.php?aid=2012081126447&sid=010610&nid=000
12:09 am August 14, 2012
Hinomoto wrote:
Let’s get back to the point, South Korean subject.
The Korean football player apparently violated the Olympic Charter 5-50. Also, one of the Korean players said he had a plan to do political performance in the field.
And let you know that most shameful things in the game : why did his team mate stop him ?? Seems all Korean football players don’t have qualification of Olympic medals. Spoiled the Olympic spilts and medals.
Think about Palestine, North Ireland, Spratly Islands, Tibet, Uighur, Kashmir, Kosovo, Gibraltar, West Sahara, Ellesmere Island and othes territory issues.
Did these relatied peoples perform something ? Never and ever.
IOC and FIFA should give them appropriate fair penalties.
12:10 am August 14, 2012
ANONYMOUS wrote:
RISING SUN FLAG = THE FLAG HEAVILY USED BY THE JAPANESE IN THE CONQUEST AND THE OCCUPATION OF EAST ASIA. IT IS SEEN AS OFFENSIVE IN COUNTRIES WHICH WERE VICTIMS OF JAPANESE COLONIALISM, LARGELY BECAUSE OF THE WAR CRIMES PERPETRATED BY THE JAPANESE MILITARY. BY WIKIPEDIA.
THE JAPANESE GYMNASTS & TEAM UNIFORMS AT THE OLYMPICS: : http://ukuzihs.tumblr.com/post/22848649852/japanese-london-2012-olympics-gymnasts-and-their
–> RISING SUN FLAG
IMAGINE GERMANS WEAR SWASTIKA ON THEIR UNIFORMS???
12:14 am August 14, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
I’m deeply concerned about 2018 winter olympic in Korea.
Do they have any responsibilities as a host country?
12:17 am August 14, 2012
Hinomoto wrote:
“Think about Palestine, North Ireland, Spratly Islands, Tibet, Uighur, Kashmir, Kosovo, Gibraltar, West Sahara, Ellesmere Island and othes territory issues. Did these relatied peoples perform something ? Never and ever.”
But the Jews did. Thank you for acknowledging that what your country did was wrong!!
12:18 am August 14, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
2018 olympics in Korea should be find, like World Cup 2012.
12:24 am August 14, 2012
DOK DO IS KOREAN'S TERRITORY AND THAT IS THE TRUTH! wrote:
to me the sign Park Jong Woo had was not a political message.
it is Koreans saying Dok Do is Koreans! it is the truth not the political message..
in my opinion!!
12:29 am August 14, 2012
Juuichi wrote:
Sovereignty of Takeshima
In 1618 (note), Jinkichi Ohya and Ichibei Murakawa, who were merchants of Yonago in the Houki-no-kuni region in the Tottori clan, received permission for passage to Utsuryo Island (then “Takeshima”) from the Shogunate via the feudal lord of Tottori. Following that, the two families took turns in traveling alternately traveled to Utsuryo Island once every year, and engaging in catching abalone, hunting sea lions and in felling trees, including bamboo. (Note) Some claim that it was in 1625.
Both families engaged in fishing around Utsuryo Island with ships with the hollyhock crest of the ruling Shogunate family on the sails, and usually presented the abalone caught as homage to the Shogunate and others. Thus, they monopolized in some way or other the management of the island with the approval of the Shogunate.
During this period, Takeshima that was on the route from Oki to Utsuryo Island naturally came to be used as a navigational port, docking point for ships and a rich fishing ground for sea lions and abalone.
Thus, Japan established the sovereignty over Takeshima by the mid 17th century in the early Edo Period at the latest.
If the Shogunate had recognized Utsuryo Island and Takeshima as foreign territories at that time, it would have banned passage to these islands in 1635 when it issued its directive to close Japan to the outside world and prohibit Japanese from traveling abroad. However no such measure was taken.
12:31 am August 14, 2012
Juuichi wrote:
There is no evidence showing that the ROK has long recognized the existence of Takeshima. For example, the ROK claims that, based on descriptions in old Korean texts including “Samguksagi (History of the Three Kingdoms: 1145),” “Sejong Sillok Jiriji (Geographical Appendix to the Veritable Records of King Sejong: 1454),” “Sinjeung Dongguk Yeoji Seungnam (A Revised Edition of the Augmented Survey of the Geography of Korea: 1531),” “Dongguk Munheonbigo (Study of Korean Documents: 1770),” “Mangi Yoram (Handbook of State Affairs: 1808)” and “Jeungbo Munheonbigo (Augmented Study of Documents: 1908),” Koreans had long been aware of the existence of the two islands of Utsuryo and Usan, and that this “Usan Island” is the current Takeshima.
12:31 am August 14, 2012
Juuichi wrote:
However, whereas the “History of the Three Kingdoms” contains a description that Utsuryo Island which belonged to Usan Country became a part of Silla in 512, there is no description of “Usan Island.” Meanwhile, in other ancient Korean documents, “Usan Island” is described as a place where many people lived and large bamboo was cultivated, which does not represent the realities of Takeshima and sounds more like Utsuryo Island.
The ROK claims that “Usan Island” is what the Japanese called Matsushima (now Takeshima) based on the description in “Yeojiji (Record of Geography: 1656)” cited in the “Study of Korean Documents,” “Augmented Study of Documents” and “Handbook of State Affairs.” On the other hand, some study criticizes that the original text in the “Record of Geography” indicates that “Usan Island” and Utsuryo Island are two names for the same island and that the description in the documents such as the “Study of Korean Documents” did not directly or accurately quote from the “Record of Geography.” Such study points out that the descriptions in those documents were copied from “Ganggyego (Study of National Boundary)” (part of “Ganggyeji -Record of National Boundary: 1756″), which had uncritically copied a less reliable statement by An Yong-bok.
In the map attached to “A Revised Edition of the Augmented Survey of the Geography of Korea,” Utsuryo Island and “Usan Island” are described as two separate islands. If, as the ROK claims, “Usan Island” were the current Takeshima, it should have been described as a much smaller island than Utsuryo Island and located east of Utsuryo Island. However, the “Usan Island” in this map is illustrated as being roughly of the same size as Utsuryo Island, and situated between the Korean Peninsula and Utsuryo Island (west of Utsuryo Island), which shows that the island does not exist.
12:45 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Political performances by Korean president and Park were reported around the world.
The territorial issue became an international common understanding.
Thanks, Park! It’s your own goal!
12:45 am August 14, 2012
to Juuichi wrote:
study Korean history more deeper and also the Dok Do history more deeper
Korean’s dok do history begins at AD 512. THINK ABOUT IT!! your history of DOK DO starts in 1618.
Korean’s history with Dok Do starts over 1000 years before Japanese.
what do you think!!!
1:04 am August 14, 2012
a Chinese wrote:
Juuichi you Yariman… Admit that Japan is wrong… Give us back Diaoyu Islands
1:11 am August 14, 2012
1990london1990 wrote:
TAKESHIMA or DOKDO, Park Jong-woo should have known better.
He lacked sportsmanship and did not show any ‘Olympic’ spirit.
Also, Why not bring the issue to the International Court of Justice then?
If the Koreans are so confident about their claims, then it should be an easy win.
But the years of refusal illustrates one thing: All talk, no action.
1:14 am August 14, 2012
1990london1990 wrote:
I forgot, we should also have a good explanation to why we used uniforms with the Rising Sun Flag, just in case they come back at us on that. SWASTIKA = RISING SUN FLAG
1:25 am August 14, 2012
1990london1990 wrote:
The 1:14 comment starting “I forgot,” is not my comment.
Petty deed like this is the Korean’s favorite way, just like escaping from the International Court of Justice.
1:27 am August 14, 2012
samurai wrote:
Problem is that Korean players bring a political problem to the Olympics, systematically.
Many people in the world would have their problems concerning politics. But they never express their political opinions in this sports festival.
This is the most important rule of the Olympics. But Korean football team violated this rule.
To “to Juuichi” :
Sorry, Japanese history of Takeshima begins at B.C.56. Takeshima belongs to Japan historically and this is based on the international law.
1:57 am August 14, 2012
a Chinese wrote:
Diaoyu Islands are Chinese!!!
1:59 am August 14, 2012
a Chinese wrote:
The Japanese in this blog, have no class!!
2:03 am August 14, 2012
J wrote:
What is so complicated? This shouldnt have been an issue in the first place. Dokdo belongs to Korea and evervlbody but the japanese knows it. The player holding up that sign is like holding up a sign that says “New york is in the US” That is not at all being political. Its just simply stating a fact. Why on earth is that a reason to even get a warning? This whole thing does not make sense at all.
2:07 am August 14, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
Like comments above, korean people do n’t understand seriousness of the violation.
In FIFA WC 2002(Korea was a host country), korean supporters have defamed opponents.
They must play a role of a host country in 2018 winter olympic.
Audiences may repeat same mistakes.
IOC should care about it seriously.
2:13 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
to “a Japanese” I think its as serious as Japanese sportsmen wearing the rising sun flag as their uniform
2:14 am August 14, 2012
j wrote:
to a japanese
korean supporters have defamed opponents.
What do you mean by that???????
and What kind of violation can be possibly come of stating a true fact?
To be honest, this case just looks like japan being mad because they lost that soccer match this all started.
2:24 am August 14, 2012
Jen wrote:
The translation is a a little off Alastair Gale.. 독도는 우리 땅, “Dokdo is our land”.
2:43 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Asians want to start WW3.
Asians never learn from the past.
Would Great Briton say ” Australia is ours, New Zealand is ours”?? HECK NO, we white ppl clearly cant let Asians dominate the world, otherwise WW3 will come….
2:53 am August 14, 2012
samurai wrote:
Koreans do not know that facts sometimes could be political messages. They should understand TPO and the sprits of the Olympics.
Granted that Takeshima is korean teritory, it is no excuse for violateing the Olympic Charter.
2:59 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
That’s easy to say when you are a nation that owes reparations for the past, like the Japanese and many western countries. I think the Japanese should give back the islands admitting to their historical mistakes and move on with life.
3:06 am August 14, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
Sorry to be late.
Hi, Mr.Anonymous(2:13 am August 14, 2012)
The flag has been used after WW2, and no country, except Korea and China, claimed concern.
Look this. A western man waved the flag with a smile in London!
http://livedoor.3.blogimg.jp/dqnplus/imgs/5/c/5cf03fb1.jpg
3:16 am August 14, 2012
a Japanese (3:06) wrote:
Haha.. Thats a little kid waving the flag, he has no idea. Doesn’t mean anything, just like when Americans go to Tokyo and bow at the Yasukuni Shrine.
3:26 am August 14, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
Yes, that’s right.
I mean people has no concern about the flag. He thinks it just a japanese flag
3:31 am August 14, 2012
a Japanese (3:06) wrote:
Because he is an idiot… The fact is that, that is the flag of the Japanese Empire. Just like the Swastika was the flag of German/Nazi Empire.
3:32 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The korea olympic committee (KOC) represented their appology to the japan olympic committee (JOC) by e-mai and fax.
Koreans adomited their violation of the olympic rule.
The IOC should divest of Koreans bronze medals.
3:49 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
In Asia, only Koreans and Chineses hate japan and demand reparation.
They always say to japan “make reparation!!!” , even if they catch influenza. Maybe, their influenza would come from Japan. They continue to make endless demands.
Although western people cannot believe, other asian countries likes japan very much.
3:55 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 3:49 wrote:
Duh!! Ofcourse, Japan has never occupied any western country. But the international community needs to become more aware that what Japan did to China and Korea, was just as bad as what Germany did to the Jews. A mere apology doesn’t cut it.
4:10 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
What did japan do to China and Korea???
Japanese people do the same thing to other asian countries.
I never hear the other asian contries say “Reparation!!, Reparation!!” Just only chinese and korean.
I think japan hasn’t problems, only China and Korea have problems in Asia.
4:16 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 4:10 wrote:
Genocide, experimenting with Chinese and Koreans to improve military technology (chemical weapons), comfort women for the Japanese empire… The list goes on buddy… Reparations is right, Japan has become a superpower much to do because of the exploitation of colonial resources, in this case mostly human.
4:25 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
He didn’t intent this ceremony, but just got this picket from one of the audience. He wasn’t aware of Olympic rules fully enough and there was not any intention to make conflict. People so easily talk about depriving Olympic medals but think about how much players make effort to get them. It would be too harsh to deprive his medal. Considering this happened first time, the punishment of IOC has to be warning.
4:34 am August 14, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
Japanese army killed many chinese.
But, chinese communist party’s army and nationalist party’s army
had battled each other. They killed many chinese, too.
Chinese government has been putting all the blame on Japan
and padded out the number of victims by Japan.
Japan already apologized several times.
4:42 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Hey Japanese 4:34. That is the dumbest argument I have heard. “Chinese killing Chinese, exempts Japan from any blame”. Modern Japanese supporting the deeds of the Japanese empire… Imperial Japan = Nazi Germany, and SWASTIKA = RISING SUN FLAG
4:52 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
An apology doesn’t cut it. Give China and Korea back their territory you are claiming, Dokdo and Sengoku Islands
5:01 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 4:16 wrote:
No evidence has found for genocide and comfort women.
Only a few persons were unfortunately killed by experimets.
It is a sad thing, but big wars always accompany victims. This is the historical truth.
For japan is a superpower, just only you want to do extortion.
5:09 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 5:01 wrote:
Thanks for acknowledging that Imperial Japan experimented with Korean and Chinese citizens. Imperial Japan = Nazi Germany, and SWASTIKA = RISING SUN FLAG…
5:11 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Park Jong-woo clearly intended to demonstrate the political message and his teammates do not stop him to run around the field showing the political sign. This is a korean team performance.
The IOC had better deprive of their medals according to the Olympic Charter.
5:17 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 5:09 wrote:
Thank you for addmitting that there are no evidence on genocide and comfort women.
These are chinese’ and koreans’ persecution complex.
5:22 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 4:52 wrote:
Dont misunderstand! Only Koreans and Chinese are claming.
Intelligent people does not think the same as Korea and China.
5:23 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The korea olympic committee (KOC) represented their appology to the japan olympic committee (JOC) by e-mai and fax.
Koreans adomited their violation of the olympic rule.
The IOC should divest of Koreans bronze medals.
.
This is the best answer!!!
5:23 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 5:17 wrote:
You dumb Yariman. There is evidence of Genocide and Comfort woman. There are people who are currently alive to tell their story. If you are in denial, its because of the filtered education you are getting in Japan. Imperial Japan = Nazi Germany, and SWASTIKA = RISING SUN FLAG…
5:35 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 5:23 wrote:
Koreans are apt to use blue languages when they are beaten on arguments.
People who have common sence dont use bawdy slags.
Sorry, I just remember that Koreans are not normal. They have Hwabyung!!
Are you bother with Hwabyung?
5:41 am August 14, 2012
Korean from the US wrote:
Who cares about a bunch of rocks in the middle of nowhere ? The island is inhabitable and has no strategic or agricultural benefit. Seems to me, the native Koreans always have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to Japanese anything. It’s really sad.. the young generation are taught to hate the Japanese for the atrocities committed 60 years ago. You ask 10 Koreans about Dokodo and 9 out of 10 will agree and have a strong opinion. You ask 10 Japanese.. half of them don’t know or even care… I respect nationalism.. but bizarre nationalism coupled with continuing hate of the Japanese does not resolve anything. I agree with Ban Ki Moon on having international dialogue facilitated by the UN.
5:43 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
There are no need to appologize for japanese committee if Koreans team didnt violate the olympic rule.
It’s the answer.
5:46 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Imperial Japan = Nazi Germany, and SWASTIKA = RISING SUN FLAG
5:56 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
To Anonymous 5:46
Are you bother with Hwabyung?
.
5:59 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 5:46 wrote:
calm yourself!
Help yourself to the kimchi!!
6:00 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The korea olympic committee (KOC) represented their appology to the japan olympic committee (JOC) by e-mai and fax.
Koreans adomited their violation of the olympic rule.
The IOC should divest of Koreans bronze medals.
.
This is the best answer!!!
6:01 am August 14, 2012
American Observer wrote:
The only time in history, ancient or modern, when Japan held territorial rights over Dokdo was during Japan’s illegal occupation of Korea, which occurred following the Japanese brutal murder of the Korean Queen and Japan’s subsequent offer of “assistance.” That “assistance” went in rapid stages from “maintaining order” in the capital, to occupation of the entirety of Korea, to the theft of natural resources and the diversion of the majority of the Korean rice crop to Japan, resulting in about a million Korean deaths. In short order, it was announced that there was no Korea and that there were no Koreans, only Japanese who happened, unfortunately, to still be Korean. So the wonderful Bismark inspired Japanese educational system came to Korea and soon Koreans were not permitted to publish or speak Korean in their own country. People were told to take Japanese names. History was flipped on its head. Whereas in the period of say 200 BCE-600 CE the Korean Kingdoms (Goguryeo, Baekje, shilla and Gaya) were iron-age, sword-bearing, horseriding, modern states, and Japan was a conglomeration of primitive Austronesian-Korean hybrid chieftaincies that depended 100% on Korea for literacy, iron, statecraft, 20th Century post-Meiji education told the Koreans that they always were mere subjects of greater Japan.
Doesn’t it seem odd that the Japanese are today the only major nation in the world where they still are afraid to discuss their history honestly? Isn’t it odd that Japan is the only island-country where their inhabitants resist the notion that they originally had to have come to their islands from the mainland? Doesn’t it seem odd that poor, innocent Japan still has territorial disputes with EVERY one of its neighbors?
The typically cowardly Japanese militarists had Shimane Prefecture claim authority over Dokdo. They are not your average Japanese, of course. Most Japanese and Koreans get along very well on a personal level, as they should, having a very similar original culture – Korean.
6:04 am August 14, 2012
To Korean from the US (5:41) wrote:
“atrocities committed 60 years ago.” At least you got that right. -Another Korean from the US
6:10 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Imperial Japan = Nazi Germany, and SWASTIKA = RISING SUN FLAG1
6:17 am August 14, 2012
American 6:01 wrote:
Hi, Korean!
You have many knowledge with bias. Study histries about Asia without prejudice.
You also have Hwabyung. Go to a doctor.
6:19 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Problem is that Korean players bring a political problem to the Olympics, systematically.
Many people in the world would have their problems concerning politics. But they never express their political opinions in this sports festival.
This is the most important rule of the Olympics. But Korean football team violated this rule.
6:34 am August 14, 2012
Osaka48 wrote:
The Korean athlete acted shamefully and with disrespect for all Olympians and the a the games. He violated the rules and was justly punished. THERE IS NO ROOM FOR POLITICS IN THE OLYMPICS…NONE. Anyone who defends his action is quite ignorant. How will Korea police its out-of-control nationalism during its own hosting of the Olympic games?
7:08 am August 14, 2012
John wrote:
As a Korean, what Park Jong Soo did was NOT shameful, but it was clearly wrong in the context of the Olympics and I support the IOC in their suspension. While I feel really bad for him (I don’t think that 22 year old would’ve done that if he knew the implications), Koreans should quickly recognize this, accept responsibility for the mistake, and move on. If such things are allowed, the Olympics would lose its meaning and you open the door for escalations that could repeat the tragedy in the Munich Games. But, I really hope the Olympics look at all incidents equally (whether intentional or not) and apply the right justice. I wish Japan would concede on these meaningless issues and allow South Korea to concede its resentment. Honestly, both countries need to spend more time focusing on how to counter China and North Korea…
7:09 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
To prevent recurrence, IOC and FIFA should impose penalty to Park Jong-Woo and the team.
As you can see from above comments, some (not all i believe) Korean people do not understand the intent of Olympic Charter.
I also feel sorry for the young football players that pay the penalty who just followed the propaganda of Korean President. Olympic game is not the place for political propaganda. Korea should learn more if they really want to host 2018 Olympic game.
7:12 am August 14, 2012
To Korean from the US (6:04) wrote:
You too must have been taught to hate the Japanese. As a Korean who immigrated to the US, I was told they were the enemy.. they took our land and changed the history books. My grandfather was forced to speak Japanese living in Korea. That was over 60 years ago. I understand where the nationalism comes from. We are taught to hate them. But where does it stop ? Am I going to tell my children Japan is the enemy like my father and grandfather before me ? Like a posted before.. It’s Korea who has a chip on their shoulder as they should.. the majority of the Japanese could care less… I worked in Japan for a year. The majority of the people I speak with are indifferent.. they just don’t care or know. I do think they should care and feel remorseful of the atrocities done by the Japanese military.. but the young generation in their 20-40′s don’t have a clue or don’t even know why we are mad at them.
Be it the WBC 2009 when the Korea team put a Korean flag on the pitchers mound to the Dokdo soccer incident. There is always a time and a place for politics.. but on the pitch of an international game where we are suppose to play for our country’s pride.. it makes us look bad.
I understand why he did what he did.. he was taught to hate Japan.. he thought it would be cool to make a statement in an international game. Nothing will change the past.. we have to move forward
8:00 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Imperial Japan = Nazi Germany, and SWASTIKA = RISING SUN FLAG11
8:08 am August 14, 2012
Brian wrote:
Heavy dose of cheap patriotism from a member of team that so values avoiding military service to its country.
8:14 am August 14, 2012
Educate the player about sport manner that's all wrote:
Don’t bring in any issue than sport into Olympics. that’s the original spirit respected since ancient Olympic games. The disputes in this world has no end, and every player withholds expressing political message during the Games – don’t be the first to spoil the festival. If you want to discuss about territory do it somewhere else as you please, but NOT ON THE FIELD.
If the player knew that Japanese are claiming the land as well, he should have imagination that the placard words can be easily associated with political message regardless of his belief where the island belongs to.
8:49 am August 14, 2012
flex wrote:
Korean’s political act should be done not in Oliypics but in politics itself
8:56 am August 14, 2012
Simon wrote:
There is no excuse. Olympic is a place for sportmanship, as all agreed with, not for any patriotism or political reasons. One breaks the Olympic charter, he should face penalty. Guy, you are not teenager.Learn the lesson and ahere to the international rules and common sense..
8:59 am August 14, 2012
Anoymous wrote:
As a result Koreans know nothing what the Olympics alll about
9:12 am August 14, 2012
RJ wrote:
After players have been sanctioned by dismissal from the Olympics for racist tweets and derogatory comments like that made by a Swiss player against Koreans absolutely NO quarter should be given to this Korean player for that disgraceful cowardly act. He should certainly NOT receive any medal and be expelled from international competition for at least 2 years!
9:20 am August 14, 2012
Nara wrote:
I agree Simon but this is the paradox of the Olympics. It is nations competing and that is nationalistic by nature. No international event can be completely apolitical as long as the athletes themselves or Olympics fans project what they have learned about patriotism and politics in their respectful culture. Let’s not deny that. One athlete may be more focused on the sport and personal accomplishment but there will always be people that project their nationalistic ideas on them and worship them as national heroes. One athlete might be motivated by grandiose patriotic ideals trying to save face of her country but onlookers might just see that person as a human with incredible skill. So while I do think this guy was immature, and inconsiderate and ruined the festive atmosphere, I do find it unsettling that people act as if they truly view the Olympics just for the sport.
10:31 am August 14, 2012
OffshoreMM wrote:
Consider for a moment how Korean citizens would react if the Japanese waved Takeshima flags on the sports field during a game against Korea. Would they consider it a “Political Slogan”? And I put the words in quotes, because that is what all of the low-rent Korean newspapers here in Korea are doing, treating it as if it weren’t even a political message. If this player is given a pass, then the Japanese should equally be able to wave Takeshima flags freely on the field, without complaints from Korea. Fair is fair, isn’t it?
10:39 am August 14, 2012
Yuka wrote:
Hi Nara, I agree with you in that, a sort of nationalism is inseparable since nations competing each other – even not much interesting without it. But at same time, the beauty of Olympics I think is that every player refrains from expressing his/her personal belief to oneself and respect each other so that every one can focus on sport itself.. So I think it is also a battle within oneself as well, to keep his/her personal feelings to oneself.
11:09 am August 14, 2012
Lee Seungyoon wrote:
Park Jong-woo did the right thing for Koreans, but not for the entire Olympic fans, who can be a kid dreaming to be on the olympic stages or non-qualified athletes.
However, who says the Olympics are apolitical? The Olympics had already been the money and power game.
11:16 am August 14, 2012
Brian wrote:
‘‘I’m very happy to win the bronze medal and everybody here will now get a new chance by being exempted from military service,” said striker Park Chu-young, who scored a stunning first goal.
Associated Press, 11 August 2012
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4:20 pm August 14, 2012
sakura wrote:
to Julie
>The slogan is written in Korean,,,
hi,a lot of japanese women study Hangul to watch beautiful korean drama,then japanese can read korean. also,Hangul was made by great king Sejong, its very simple language,written that “i decide to make haguel to stupid,ignored people 愚民”in “Hunminjeongeum”.訓民正音훈민정음
to Juuichi
>the two islands of Utsuryo and Usan, and that this “Usan Island” is the current Takeshima.
i wonder why korean people could not read map……is it in korean educational error???
竹島（독도）검증동영상part2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIXP91IJTK0
4:12 pm August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
this is the fact.
http://youtu.be/k3_H5YFm5lU
4:06 pm August 14, 2012
Minjae wrote:
Hey guys, as a Korean-American — I want to say that I appreciate the passion and conviction by both Japanese and Koreans about this incident. But to those Koreans that claim this is not political — I disagree. Even if I agree that Korea should own them, the fact remains is that there is an official dispute between the two countries on Liancourt Rocks (Dokdo, Takeshima). Until that is resolved — showing a sign like the one Park put up after the game IS POLITICAL. He should not have done that as many Japanese and Koreans have correctly pointed out. In fact, I’ve spoken to my parents and others — and I think the general feeling is that yes Dokdo belongs to us, but this was neither the time nor the place to have made that announcement. Park is definitely patriotic, but very ignorant of how to represent Korea and how to be an Olympian. And, also — this guy Park would never have considered doing such a silly thing if he had understood the consequences of his actions in advance (it was not preplanned). The IOC was correct in this case — and no matter whether they penalize Japanese Gymmastics for the “Rising Sun” uniforms or not, as one who is proud of his Korean heritage, I WANT to be above reproach. If we were wrong at the Olympics, we should accept responsibility and recognize going forward how to be a better nation in the world’s eyes; no excuses! At the same time, all the Japanese and Koreans here who are spewing hate, propaganda, and skewed history lessons — this is an exercise in futility! You/we/all of us have greater benefits in moving beyond this dispute. Someone else mentioned there are bigger fish to worry about (China, NK). He/she is right! This is not the time to start throwing history books at each other. No one pays me enough to solve a problem like Dokdo, so I don’t have an answer to this. But it would seem to me that both countries need to calm down. From my point of view, Japanese need to stop looking down on Koreans and their issues and pay attention. South Korea in this day and age is a worthy partner and friend; not an enemy! You act like your honor is being harmed — but I would argue that it is already damaged (you just don’t know it). If you talk to people around the world — there is a world-wide perception issue you need to come to terms with about your identity and what you think is right. Let me qualify that by saying all countries have these types of problems — even Korea — even the US. You may not trust my words — but I swear I am trying to be objective. Koreans on the other hand, you guys need to chill out and stop acting like victims! I believe Koreans are much better than this and strong enough to face these kinds of issues with dignity and class. Again, in this day and age — Japan is a worthy ally! The Olympics have a spirit that transcends above any country’s nationalism. It takes nationalism and moves it away from military/political disputes and showcases it in the spirit of competition and goodwill. There is no paradox here — just an opportunity to recognize each other with respect and without agenda on a world stage — to see each country for who they are without malice, prejudice, and contempt. I hope my Korean brethren will move away from these arguments with this understanding and show contrition. Finally, I hope the Japanese will appreciate that many Koreans understand how to be honorable and fair in a place like the Olympics, but more importantly I hope they can begin to understand the Korean mindset about these issues in general and show empathy! This is the right way! That is what the Olympics are for!
3:50 pm August 14, 2012
a wrote:
I can’t use English but I try posting Japanese.
please translate
前々から、「韓国と試合や何かをすると、勝敗に関わらず不快になる」と言われてきたが、これがそのの代表例だよ！
特に日本に対するイチャモンは不快を通り越している（何年前かのドイツに対する侮辱も）
旭日旗の件もそうだし（この旗を鉤十字に重ねるのはナンセンス。こじつけるにしても黒十字が限界）
もしかしたら、日本人より欧米の人のほうが旭日旗を好きだってこともある
事実、自分は旭日旗に関して特に思い入れが無い（思想が軍事に傾いている日本人が無関係な（とは言い切れないけれど）旭日旗を持ち出すことはある
ただ、思い入れが無い≠嫌い、 ということは覚えておいてほしい
旭日旗（sun rising flag）を汚すことは、日章旗（Japan flag）を汚すことと同じ意味だ
結局、旭日旗の件を韓国が持ち出したところで、韓国サッカーがオリンピック憲章に多大に違反したことの事実を否定することはできない、ということ
3:37 pm August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
London Olympics:
South Korean FOOTBALLERS displayed a flag with a political message
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFuAkNrN7c&feature=youtube_gdata_player
3:09 pm August 14, 2012
The biggest concern wrote:
If the act by Park and other players those who carried the banner on the huge Korean national flag, which size was obviously over the regulation which LOCOG set, tolerated, any country can take advantage of the Olympics to promote their political statements.
Particularly nations with territorial disputes or warfare, such as
- Israel and Palestine over Gaza
- India and Pakistan over Kashmir
- Sudan and South Sudan over Darfur
etc.
We would not like to see the second Munich Massacre.
Particularly as the proposed host nation of 2018 Winter Olympics, not only South Korean Olympic Committee, but Korean government, and Korean people have to prove that they NEVER cause such political act at any of Olympic venue, otherwise the host city should be changed to somewhere else, I suppose
2:27 pm August 14, 2012
The Record wrote:
Read any history of the Bataan Death March and the Japanese prison camps of WWII. You will learn that Koreans in the Japanese Imperial Army were more cruel to allied POWs than the Japanese.
2:13 pm August 14, 2012
ToAllidiots wrote:
The island monkeys worship Korean descendant “E”mperor and conveniently forgot they were the war criminals. The placard was not a political statement. The three hair short monkeys are making it as one. They lost Sahalin to Russia because they lost the war and they had to pay it. The monkeys are claims somebody’s land as their own repeatedly and think then it will become theirs. Do you understand “brainwashed” apes?
2:12 pm August 14, 2012
OffshoreMM wrote:
Dear Korean posters: This is the WSJ. We came to read a story about an Olympic disqualification, not about Dokdo. The rest of the world doesn’t care about Dokdo, and never will care about Dokdo, in the same sense that Koreans don’t care much about American or Canadian politics. You are wasting your breath and your time trying to make historical citations, as we largely don’t care. It’s not that we support Japan over Korea, it’s that we (Westerners) simply don’t care about this tiny, insignificant territorial spat. If you spent even a fraction of the time worrying about REAL issues in Korea that you spent on Dokdo drum-beating, perhaps some of the REAL problems in Korea (suicide, household debt, property inflation, low wages, massive corruption, huge gap in wealth, lack of jobs etc) might actually move towards being solved.
Dokdo is a took used by the Korean government to stir up the generally ignorant public. Not until the public realizes this fact and overcomes it will Korean again continue to move forward.
If Koreans took the time they devoted to Japan-hating, and spent even 1/100000th of that time cleaning their own streets, the streets of Korea would be spotless instead of filthy, as they are currently.
1:44 pm August 14, 2012
seriously wrote:
The Koreans are now comparing the rising sun flag to the swastika?
I find that hysterical. Bloody hell, more people died under flags of Spain, Netherlands, France and my Great Britain during the colonial era…just look at Dutch East Indies. That place was a hellhole. Or Belgian Congo where that King Leopold or whatever killed off half the country’s population in a decade or so.
These Koreans didn’t go through jack squat compared to these real colonies.
1:41 pm August 14, 2012
Curious wrote:
I want to know, wasn’t Koreans technically Japanese until end of World War II, so hence the axis nation that lost?
I recall reading that many of the brutalities against Chinese citizens were committed by Korean officers within the ranks.
1:40 pm August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
It seems to me that South Korea doesn’t have many things that are worthwhile. The only thing that comes to mind is Samsung, and that’s because its a cheap knock-off of the iPhone.
1:39 pm August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I find it hilarious that despite Japan requesting the use of International Court of Justice to resolve this issue, South Korea is the one that’s always refusing – three times, to be exact.
Not sure why this rogue nation is in the G20 at all, really.
1:28 pm August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
This decision is along the policy of IOC and as such it is nowhere close to overreacting. If the South Koreans think that IOC is overreacting, then they are sorely mistaken – this doesn’t even compare to the 1968 Black Power Salute incident, where the athletes were permanently expelled and the entire American team also threatened to be expelled. If Brundage had his way in 2012, I’m sure the entire South Korean team would be expelled from the Olympics for some time, as it seems the South Korean football association at first defended Park’s actions and stated that they were planning a ceremony after the match.
Either way, this is a dispicable act by Park that only serves to raise tension between South Korea and Japan. In fact, it seems Japan is the reserved one here – acting within the guidelines of international law, whereas South Korea simply whines and screams out loud that Liancourt Rocks are theirs.
How childish.
1:09 pm August 14, 2012
Hkim wrote:
I am reminded of the 1968 Mexico Olympics incident at the medal stand when on October 16, 1968, African-American sprinters Tommie Smith and John Carlos, the gold and bronze medalists in the men’s 200-meter race, showed up wearing black socks without shoes and civil rights badges while lowering their heads and making the unforgettable “black-power salute” with the defiantly black-gloved fist as the Star Spangled Banner was played. The subsequent suspension from the U.S. Olympic team and ban from the Olympic Village by IOC president Avery Brundage was a stark reminder of how serious the Olympic Committee was about its apolitical stance and its unwillingness to become a free-for-all venue for display of various political and nationalistic gripes of individuals who had agreed to put those things aside for a mere two weeks of fair play and tolerance. What happened with Park is no different, and he doesn’t deserve any sympathy or undue attention for his immature and crude behavior that violated the spirit and essence of the games.
12:45 pm August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
His performance was really regrettable.
Moreover, some Korean people can’t admit his violation but distort the Japanese uniform to their own advantage.
What a shameful comment…
12:44 pm August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Entire South Korea belongs to North Korea.
12:33 pm August 14, 2012
just wondering wrote:
If Park Jong-woo holds a sign reading “Dokdo is our territory” in Korean language,
does it mean, Dokdo belongs to North Korea or South Korea?
12:32 pm August 14, 2012
A Vietnamese wrote:
Are you kidding me ? The Koreans were collaborators in WW2. They helped Japanese army spread into Asia. When the army killed and raped, they did it too. Hypocrites
12:29 pm August 14, 2012
The sore loser wrote:
Yeah, take the bronze medal from the whole team for not stopping Mr. Park and give it to the Japanese team. As a Japanese, the anger makes me crazy!! I cant believe we lost 2-0, we are just inferior human beings..
12:24 pm August 14, 2012
Cleo wrote:
that’s a clear no no but in a world without justice when the murderers got away with it and demand to be treated equally and included to events like the Olympics and even wear BABY colors, well expressing yourself in defiance of goblins in your presence, that means more than any medal especially since the victory still stands.
11:52 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
독도는 대한민국의 영토다!
11:50 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I believed every player must have known the moral, without being told what to do or not… but as I see this time, some players or people do not understand until they get real punishment.. it is a sad thing. I long believed Korea was already one of the industrialized countries, but there is still some room to judge.
11:36 am August 14, 2012
Julie wrote:
The slogan is written in Korean,,,
What percentage of people in the world would know what it means?
His ceremony was meant for Koreans only who understand the meaning of the slogan.
I am sure he didn’t have any political intention at all.
He did so just to thank the Korean audience and to express his patriotism.
The IOC has gone way too far.
11:33 am August 14, 2012
American observer wrote:
The IOC should come down hard on South Korea over this incident. If the take a weak stance, we can expect at the next Olympics every sort of border conflict issue and other political issues will come up on the playing field. From the photo it is obvious that the South Korean team members did not try to stop Park from holding up the political sign. Soccer is a team sport. The team supported the message therefore the team should suffer the consequences. The whole team should be stripped of their bronze medals. It is the only way for the IOC to make it clear that the Olympics must not be a place for political statements.
11:27 am August 14, 2012
Anonimous wrote:
Where do you draw the line in a political statement. Maybe Takayuki Yumira should be banned from sports for wearing the Rising Sun Flag as his uniform. Chinese and Koreans take this as a symbol of Japanese imperialism and the human rights abuse against thsoe nations. Is this where you draw the political line??
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/nu8-uxxsduI/Olympics+Day+3+Equestrian/nmVv1XIkfvM
11:16 am August 14, 2012
Brian wrote:
‘‘I’m very happy to win the bronze medal and everybody here will now get a new chance by being exempted from military service,” said striker Park Chu-young, who scored a stunning first goal.
Associated Press, 11 August 2012
11:09 am August 14, 2012
Lee Seungyoon wrote:
Park Jong-woo did the right thing for Koreans, but not for the entire Olympic fans, who can be a kid dreaming to be on the olympic stages or non-qualified athletes.
However, who says the Olympics are apolitical? The Olympics had already been the money and power game.
10:39 am August 14, 2012
Yuka wrote:
Hi Nara, I agree with you in that, a sort of nationalism is inseparable since nations competing each other – even not much interesting without it. But at same time, the beauty of Olympics I think is that every player refrains from expressing his/her personal belief to oneself and respect each other so that every one can focus on sport itself.. So I think it is also a battle within oneself as well, to keep his/her personal feelings to oneself.
10:31 am August 14, 2012
OffshoreMM wrote:
Consider for a moment how Korean citizens would react if the Japanese waved Takeshima flags on the sports field during a game against Korea. Would they consider it a “Political Slogan”? And I put the words in quotes, because that is what all of the low-rent Korean newspapers here in Korea are doing, treating it as if it weren’t even a political message. If this player is given a pass, then the Japanese should equally be able to wave Takeshima flags freely on the field, without complaints from Korea. Fair is fair, isn’t it?
9:20 am August 14, 2012
Nara wrote:
I agree Simon but this is the paradox of the Olympics. It is nations competing and that is nationalistic by nature. No international event can be completely apolitical as long as the athletes themselves or Olympics fans project what they have learned about patriotism and politics in their respectful culture. Let’s not deny that. One athlete may be more focused on the sport and personal accomplishment but there will always be people that project their nationalistic ideas on them and worship them as national heroes. One athlete might be motivated by grandiose patriotic ideals trying to save face of her country but onlookers might just see that person as a human with incredible skill. So while I do think this guy was immature, and inconsiderate and ruined the festive atmosphere, I do find it unsettling that people act as if they truly view the Olympics just for the sport.
9:12 am August 14, 2012
RJ wrote:
After players have been sanctioned by dismissal from the Olympics for racist tweets and derogatory comments like that made by a Swiss player against Koreans absolutely NO quarter should be given to this Korean player for that disgraceful cowardly act. He should certainly NOT receive any medal and be expelled from international competition for at least 2 years!
8:59 am August 14, 2012
Anoymous wrote:
As a result Koreans know nothing what the Olympics alll about
8:56 am August 14, 2012
Simon wrote:
There is no excuse. Olympic is a place for sportmanship, as all agreed with, not for any patriotism or political reasons. One breaks the Olympic charter, he should face penalty. Guy, you are not teenager.Learn the lesson and ahere to the international rules and common sense..
8:49 am August 14, 2012
flex wrote:
Korean’s political act should be done not in Oliypics but in politics itself
8:14 am August 14, 2012
Educate the player about sport manner that's all wrote:
Don’t bring in any issue than sport into Olympics. that’s the original spirit respected since ancient Olympic games. The disputes in this world has no end, and every player withholds expressing political message during the Games – don’t be the first to spoil the festival. If you want to discuss about territory do it somewhere else as you please, but NOT ON THE FIELD.
If the player knew that Japanese are claiming the land as well, he should have imagination that the placard words can be easily associated with political message regardless of his belief where the island belongs to.
8:08 am August 14, 2012
Brian wrote:
Heavy dose of cheap patriotism from a member of team that so values avoiding military service to its country.
8:00 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Imperial Japan = Nazi Germany, and SWASTIKA = RISING SUN FLAG11
7:12 am August 14, 2012
To Korean from the US (6:04) wrote:
You too must have been taught to hate the Japanese. As a Korean who immigrated to the US, I was told they were the enemy.. they took our land and changed the history books. My grandfather was forced to speak Japanese living in Korea. That was over 60 years ago. I understand where the nationalism comes from. We are taught to hate them. But where does it stop ? Am I going to tell my children Japan is the enemy like my father and grandfather before me ? Like a posted before.. It’s Korea who has a chip on their shoulder as they should.. the majority of the Japanese could care less… I worked in Japan for a year. The majority of the people I speak with are indifferent.. they just don’t care or know. I do think they should care and feel remorseful of the atrocities done by the Japanese military.. but the young generation in their 20-40′s don’t have a clue or don’t even know why we are mad at them.
Be it the WBC 2009 when the Korea team put a Korean flag on the pitchers mound to the Dokdo soccer incident. There is always a time and a place for politics.. but on the pitch of an international game where we are suppose to play for our country’s pride.. it makes us look bad.
I understand why he did what he did.. he was taught to hate Japan.. he thought it would be cool to make a statement in an international game. Nothing will change the past.. we have to move forward
7:09 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
To prevent recurrence, IOC and FIFA should impose penalty to Park Jong-Woo and the team.
As you can see from above comments, some (not all i believe) Korean people do not understand the intent of Olympic Charter.
I also feel sorry for the young football players that pay the penalty who just followed the propaganda of Korean President. Olympic game is not the place for political propaganda. Korea should learn more if they really want to host 2018 Olympic game.
7:08 am August 14, 2012
John wrote:
As a Korean, what Park Jong Soo did was NOT shameful, but it was clearly wrong in the context of the Olympics and I support the IOC in their suspension. While I feel really bad for him (I don’t think that 22 year old would’ve done that if he knew the implications), Koreans should quickly recognize this, accept responsibility for the mistake, and move on. If such things are allowed, the Olympics would lose its meaning and you open the door for escalations that could repeat the tragedy in the Munich Games. But, I really hope the Olympics look at all incidents equally (whether intentional or not) and apply the right justice. I wish Japan would concede on these meaningless issues and allow South Korea to concede its resentment. Honestly, both countries need to spend more time focusing on how to counter China and North Korea…
6:34 am August 14, 2012
Osaka48 wrote:
The Korean athlete acted shamefully and with disrespect for all Olympians and the a the games. He violated the rules and was justly punished. THERE IS NO ROOM FOR POLITICS IN THE OLYMPICS…NONE. Anyone who defends his action is quite ignorant. How will Korea police its out-of-control nationalism during its own hosting of the Olympic games?
6:19 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Problem is that Korean players bring a political problem to the Olympics, systematically.
Many people in the world would have their problems concerning politics. But they never express their political opinions in this sports festival.
This is the most important rule of the Olympics. But Korean football team violated this rule.
6:17 am August 14, 2012
American 6:01 wrote:
Hi, Korean!
You have many knowledge with bias. Study histries about Asia without prejudice.
You also have Hwabyung. Go to a doctor.
6:10 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Imperial Japan = Nazi Germany, and SWASTIKA = RISING SUN FLAG1
6:04 am August 14, 2012
To Korean from the US (5:41) wrote:
“atrocities committed 60 years ago.” At least you got that right. -Another Korean from the US
6:01 am August 14, 2012
American Observer wrote:
The only time in history, ancient or modern, when Japan held territorial rights over Dokdo was during Japan’s illegal occupation of Korea, which occurred following the Japanese brutal murder of the Korean Queen and Japan’s subsequent offer of “assistance.” That “assistance” went in rapid stages from “maintaining order” in the capital, to occupation of the entirety of Korea, to the theft of natural resources and the diversion of the majority of the Korean rice crop to Japan, resulting in about a million Korean deaths. In short order, it was announced that there was no Korea and that there were no Koreans, only Japanese who happened, unfortunately, to still be Korean. So the wonderful Bismark inspired Japanese educational system came to Korea and soon Koreans were not permitted to publish or speak Korean in their own country. People were told to take Japanese names. History was flipped on its head. Whereas in the period of say 200 BCE-600 CE the Korean Kingdoms (Goguryeo, Baekje, shilla and Gaya) were iron-age, sword-bearing, horseriding, modern states, and Japan was a conglomeration of primitive Austronesian-Korean hybrid chieftaincies that depended 100% on Korea for literacy, iron, statecraft, 20th Century post-Meiji education told the Koreans that they always were mere subjects of greater Japan.
Doesn’t it seem odd that the Japanese are today the only major nation in the world where they still are afraid to discuss their history honestly? Isn’t it odd that Japan is the only island-country where their inhabitants resist the notion that they originally had to have come to their islands from the mainland? Doesn’t it seem odd that poor, innocent Japan still has territorial disputes with EVERY one of its neighbors?
The typically cowardly Japanese militarists had Shimane Prefecture claim authority over Dokdo. They are not your average Japanese, of course. Most Japanese and Koreans get along very well on a personal level, as they should, having a very similar original culture – Korean.
6:00 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The korea olympic committee (KOC) represented their appology to the japan olympic committee (JOC) by e-mai and fax.
Koreans adomited their violation of the olympic rule.
The IOC should divest of Koreans bronze medals.
.
This is the best answer!!!
5:59 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 5:46 wrote:
calm yourself!
Help yourself to the kimchi!!
5:56 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
To Anonymous 5:46
Are you bother with Hwabyung?
.
5:46 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Imperial Japan = Nazi Germany, and SWASTIKA = RISING SUN FLAG
5:43 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
There are no need to appologize for japanese committee if Koreans team didnt violate the olympic rule.
It’s the answer.
5:41 am August 14, 2012
Korean from the US wrote:
Who cares about a bunch of rocks in the middle of nowhere ? The island is inhabitable and has no strategic or agricultural benefit. Seems to me, the native Koreans always have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to Japanese anything. It’s really sad.. the young generation are taught to hate the Japanese for the atrocities committed 60 years ago. You ask 10 Koreans about Dokodo and 9 out of 10 will agree and have a strong opinion. You ask 10 Japanese.. half of them don’t know or even care… I respect nationalism.. but bizarre nationalism coupled with continuing hate of the Japanese does not resolve anything. I agree with Ban Ki Moon on having international dialogue facilitated by the UN.
5:35 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 5:23 wrote:
Koreans are apt to use blue languages when they are beaten on arguments.
People who have common sence dont use bawdy slags.
Sorry, I just remember that Koreans are not normal. They have Hwabyung!!
Are you bother with Hwabyung?
5:23 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 5:17 wrote:
You dumb Yariman. There is evidence of Genocide and Comfort woman. There are people who are currently alive to tell their story. If you are in denial, its because of the filtered education you are getting in Japan. Imperial Japan = Nazi Germany, and SWASTIKA = RISING SUN FLAG…
5:23 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The korea olympic committee (KOC) represented their appology to the japan olympic committee (JOC) by e-mai and fax.
Koreans adomited their violation of the olympic rule.
The IOC should divest of Koreans bronze medals.
.
This is the best answer!!!
5:22 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 4:52 wrote:
Dont misunderstand! Only Koreans and Chinese are claming.
Intelligent people does not think the same as Korea and China.
5:17 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 5:09 wrote:
Thank you for addmitting that there are no evidence on genocide and comfort women.
These are chinese’ and koreans’ persecution complex.
5:11 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Park Jong-woo clearly intended to demonstrate the political message and his teammates do not stop him to run around the field showing the political sign. This is a korean team performance.
The IOC had better deprive of their medals according to the Olympic Charter.
5:09 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 5:01 wrote:
Thanks for acknowledging that Imperial Japan experimented with Korean and Chinese citizens. Imperial Japan = Nazi Germany, and SWASTIKA = RISING SUN FLAG…
5:01 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 4:16 wrote:
No evidence has found for genocide and comfort women.
Only a few persons were unfortunately killed by experimets.
It is a sad thing, but big wars always accompany victims. This is the historical truth.
For japan is a superpower, just only you want to do extortion.
4:52 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
An apology doesn’t cut it. Give China and Korea back their territory you are claiming, Dokdo and Sengoku Islands
4:42 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Hey Japanese 4:34. That is the dumbest argument I have heard. “Chinese killing Chinese, exempts Japan from any blame”. Modern Japanese supporting the deeds of the Japanese empire… Imperial Japan = Nazi Germany, and SWASTIKA = RISING SUN FLAG
4:34 am August 14, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
Japanese army killed many chinese.
But, chinese communist party’s army and nationalist party’s army
had battled each other. They killed many chinese, too.
Chinese government has been putting all the blame on Japan
and padded out the number of victims by Japan.
Japan already apologized several times.
4:25 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
He didn’t intent this ceremony, but just got this picket from one of the audience. He wasn’t aware of Olympic rules fully enough and there was not any intention to make conflict. People so easily talk about depriving Olympic medals but think about how much players make effort to get them. It would be too harsh to deprive his medal. Considering this happened first time, the punishment of IOC has to be warning.
4:16 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 4:10 wrote:
Genocide, experimenting with Chinese and Koreans to improve military technology (chemical weapons), comfort women for the Japanese empire… The list goes on buddy… Reparations is right, Japan has become a superpower much to do because of the exploitation of colonial resources, in this case mostly human.
4:10 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
What did japan do to China and Korea???
Japanese people do the same thing to other asian countries.
I never hear the other asian contries say “Reparation!!, Reparation!!” Just only chinese and korean.
I think japan hasn’t problems, only China and Korea have problems in Asia.
3:55 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 3:49 wrote:
Duh!! Ofcourse, Japan has never occupied any western country. But the international community needs to become more aware that what Japan did to China and Korea, was just as bad as what Germany did to the Jews. A mere apology doesn’t cut it.
3:49 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
In Asia, only Koreans and Chineses hate japan and demand reparation.
They always say to japan “make reparation!!!” , even if they catch influenza. Maybe, their influenza would come from Japan. They continue to make endless demands.
Although western people cannot believe, other asian countries likes japan very much.
3:32 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The korea olympic committee (KOC) represented their appology to the japan olympic committee (JOC) by e-mai and fax.
Koreans adomited their violation of the olympic rule.
The IOC should divest of Koreans bronze medals.
3:31 am August 14, 2012
a Japanese (3:06) wrote:
Because he is an idiot… The fact is that, that is the flag of the Japanese Empire. Just like the Swastika was the flag of German/Nazi Empire.
3:26 am August 14, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
Yes, that’s right.
I mean people has no concern about the flag. He thinks it just a japanese flag
3:16 am August 14, 2012
a Japanese (3:06) wrote:
Haha.. Thats a little kid waving the flag, he has no idea. Doesn’t mean anything, just like when Americans go to Tokyo and bow at the Yasukuni Shrine.
3:06 am August 14, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
Sorry to be late.
Hi, Mr.Anonymous(2:13 am August 14, 2012)
The flag has been used after WW2, and no country, except Korea and China, claimed concern.
Look this. A western man waved the flag with a smile in London!
http://livedoor.3.blogimg.jp/dqnplus/imgs/5/c/5cf03fb1.jpg
2:59 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
That’s easy to say when you are a nation that owes reparations for the past, like the Japanese and many western countries. I think the Japanese should give back the islands admitting to their historical mistakes and move on with life.
2:53 am August 14, 2012
samurai wrote:
Koreans do not know that facts sometimes could be political messages. They should understand TPO and the sprits of the Olympics.
Granted that Takeshima is korean teritory, it is no excuse for violateing the Olympic Charter.
2:43 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Asians want to start WW3.
Asians never learn from the past.
Would Great Briton say ” Australia is ours, New Zealand is ours”?? HECK NO, we white ppl clearly cant let Asians dominate the world, otherwise WW3 will come….
2:24 am August 14, 2012
Jen wrote:
The translation is a a little off Alastair Gale.. 독도는 우리 땅, “Dokdo is our land”.
2:14 am August 14, 2012
j wrote:
to a japanese
korean supporters have defamed opponents.
What do you mean by that???????
and What kind of violation can be possibly come of stating a true fact?
To be honest, this case just looks like japan being mad because they lost that soccer match this all started.
2:13 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
to “a Japanese” I think its as serious as Japanese sportsmen wearing the rising sun flag as their uniform
2:07 am August 14, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
Like comments above, korean people do n’t understand seriousness of the violation.
In FIFA WC 2002(Korea was a host country), korean supporters have defamed opponents.
They must play a role of a host country in 2018 winter olympic.
Audiences may repeat same mistakes.
IOC should care about it seriously.
2:03 am August 14, 2012
J wrote:
What is so complicated? This shouldnt have been an issue in the first place. Dokdo belongs to Korea and evervlbody but the japanese knows it. The player holding up that sign is like holding up a sign that says “New york is in the US” That is not at all being political. Its just simply stating a fact. Why on earth is that a reason to even get a warning? This whole thing does not make sense at all.
1:59 am August 14, 2012
a Chinese wrote:
The Japanese in this blog, have no class!!
1:57 am August 14, 2012
a Chinese wrote:
Diaoyu Islands are Chinese!!!
1:27 am August 14, 2012
samurai wrote:
Problem is that Korean players bring a political problem to the Olympics, systematically.
Many people in the world would have their problems concerning politics. But they never express their political opinions in this sports festival.
This is the most important rule of the Olympics. But Korean football team violated this rule.
To “to Juuichi” :
Sorry, Japanese history of Takeshima begins at B.C.56. Takeshima belongs to Japan historically and this is based on the international law.
1:25 am August 14, 2012
1990london1990 wrote:
The 1:14 comment starting “I forgot,” is not my comment.
Petty deed like this is the Korean’s favorite way, just like escaping from the International Court of Justice.
1:14 am August 14, 2012
1990london1990 wrote:
I forgot, we should also have a good explanation to why we used uniforms with the Rising Sun Flag, just in case they come back at us on that. SWASTIKA = RISING SUN FLAG
1:11 am August 14, 2012
1990london1990 wrote:
TAKESHIMA or DOKDO, Park Jong-woo should have known better.
He lacked sportsmanship and did not show any ‘Olympic’ spirit.
Also, Why not bring the issue to the International Court of Justice then?
If the Koreans are so confident about their claims, then it should be an easy win.
But the years of refusal illustrates one thing: All talk, no action.
1:04 am August 14, 2012
a Chinese wrote:
Juuichi you Yariman… Admit that Japan is wrong… Give us back Diaoyu Islands
12:45 am August 14, 2012
to Juuichi wrote:
study Korean history more deeper and also the Dok Do history more deeper
Korean’s dok do history begins at AD 512. THINK ABOUT IT!! your history of DOK DO starts in 1618.
Korean’s history with Dok Do starts over 1000 years before Japanese.
what do you think!!!
12:45 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Political performances by Korean president and Park were reported around the world.
The territorial issue became an international common understanding.
Thanks, Park! It’s your own goal!
12:31 am August 14, 2012
Juuichi wrote:
However, whereas the “History of the Three Kingdoms” contains a description that Utsuryo Island which belonged to Usan Country became a part of Silla in 512, there is no description of “Usan Island.” Meanwhile, in other ancient Korean documents, “Usan Island” is described as a place where many people lived and large bamboo was cultivated, which does not represent the realities of Takeshima and sounds more like Utsuryo Island.
The ROK claims that “Usan Island” is what the Japanese called Matsushima (now Takeshima) based on the description in “Yeojiji (Record of Geography: 1656)” cited in the “Study of Korean Documents,” “Augmented Study of Documents” and “Handbook of State Affairs.” On the other hand, some study criticizes that the original text in the “Record of Geography” indicates that “Usan Island” and Utsuryo Island are two names for the same island and that the description in the documents such as the “Study of Korean Documents” did not directly or accurately quote from the “Record of Geography.” Such study points out that the descriptions in those documents were copied from “Ganggyego (Study of National Boundary)” (part of “Ganggyeji -Record of National Boundary: 1756″), which had uncritically copied a less reliable statement by An Yong-bok.
In the map attached to “A Revised Edition of the Augmented Survey of the Geography of Korea,” Utsuryo Island and “Usan Island” are described as two separate islands. If, as the ROK claims, “Usan Island” were the current Takeshima, it should have been described as a much smaller island than Utsuryo Island and located east of Utsuryo Island. However, the “Usan Island” in this map is illustrated as being roughly of the same size as Utsuryo Island, and situated between the Korean Peninsula and Utsuryo Island (west of Utsuryo Island), which shows that the island does not exist.
12:31 am August 14, 2012
Juuichi wrote:
There is no evidence showing that the ROK has long recognized the existence of Takeshima. For example, the ROK claims that, based on descriptions in old Korean texts including “Samguksagi (History of the Three Kingdoms: 1145),” “Sejong Sillok Jiriji (Geographical Appendix to the Veritable Records of King Sejong: 1454),” “Sinjeung Dongguk Yeoji Seungnam (A Revised Edition of the Augmented Survey of the Geography of Korea: 1531),” “Dongguk Munheonbigo (Study of Korean Documents: 1770),” “Mangi Yoram (Handbook of State Affairs: 1808)” and “Jeungbo Munheonbigo (Augmented Study of Documents: 1908),” Koreans had long been aware of the existence of the two islands of Utsuryo and Usan, and that this “Usan Island” is the current Takeshima.
12:29 am August 14, 2012
Juuichi wrote:
Sovereignty of Takeshima
In 1618 (note), Jinkichi Ohya and Ichibei Murakawa, who were merchants of Yonago in the Houki-no-kuni region in the Tottori clan, received permission for passage to Utsuryo Island (then “Takeshima”) from the Shogunate via the feudal lord of Tottori. Following that, the two families took turns in traveling alternately traveled to Utsuryo Island once every year, and engaging in catching abalone, hunting sea lions and in felling trees, including bamboo. (Note) Some claim that it was in 1625.
Both families engaged in fishing around Utsuryo Island with ships with the hollyhock crest of the ruling Shogunate family on the sails, and usually presented the abalone caught as homage to the Shogunate and others. Thus, they monopolized in some way or other the management of the island with the approval of the Shogunate.
During this period, Takeshima that was on the route from Oki to Utsuryo Island naturally came to be used as a navigational port, docking point for ships and a rich fishing ground for sea lions and abalone.
Thus, Japan established the sovereignty over Takeshima by the mid 17th century in the early Edo Period at the latest.
If the Shogunate had recognized Utsuryo Island and Takeshima as foreign territories at that time, it would have banned passage to these islands in 1635 when it issued its directive to close Japan to the outside world and prohibit Japanese from traveling abroad. However no such measure was taken.
12:24 am August 14, 2012
DOK DO IS KOREAN'S TERRITORY AND THAT IS THE TRUTH! wrote:
to me the sign Park Jong Woo had was not a political message.
it is Koreans saying Dok Do is Koreans! it is the truth not the political message..
in my opinion!!
12:18 am August 14, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
2018 olympics in Korea should be find, like World Cup 2012.
12:17 am August 14, 2012
Hinomoto wrote:
“Think about Palestine, North Ireland, Spratly Islands, Tibet, Uighur, Kashmir, Kosovo, Gibraltar, West Sahara, Ellesmere Island and othes territory issues. Did these relatied peoples perform something ? Never and ever.”
But the Jews did. Thank you for acknowledging that what your country did was wrong!!
12:14 am August 14, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
I’m deeply concerned about 2018 winter olympic in Korea.
Do they have any responsibilities as a host country?
12:10 am August 14, 2012
ANONYMOUS wrote:
RISING SUN FLAG = THE FLAG HEAVILY USED BY THE JAPANESE IN THE CONQUEST AND THE OCCUPATION OF EAST ASIA. IT IS SEEN AS OFFENSIVE IN COUNTRIES WHICH WERE VICTIMS OF JAPANESE COLONIALISM, LARGELY BECAUSE OF THE WAR CRIMES PERPETRATED BY THE JAPANESE MILITARY. BY WIKIPEDIA.
THE JAPANESE GYMNASTS & TEAM UNIFORMS AT THE OLYMPICS: : http://ukuzihs.tumblr.com/post/22848649852/japanese-london-2012-olympics-gymnasts-and-their
–> RISING SUN FLAG
IMAGINE GERMANS WEAR SWASTIKA ON THEIR UNIFORMS???
12:09 am August 14, 2012
Hinomoto wrote:
Let’s get back to the point, South Korean subject.
The Korean football player apparently violated the Olympic Charter 5-50. Also, one of the Korean players said he had a plan to do political performance in the field.
And let you know that most shameful things in the game : why did his team mate stop him ?? Seems all Korean football players don’t have qualification of Olympic medals. Spoiled the Olympic spilts and medals.
Think about Palestine, North Ireland, Spratly Islands, Tibet, Uighur, Kashmir, Kosovo, Gibraltar, West Sahara, Ellesmere Island and othes territory issues.
Did these relatied peoples perform something ? Never and ever.
IOC and FIFA should give them appropriate fair penalties.
12:00 am August 14, 2012
samasama4 wrote:
Some Korean newspapers reported that, in an interview soon after the third place match, the Korean captain said that the team had planned a goal celebration with the aim to appeal South Korean sovereignty over the disputed islands.
This was not carried out, but instead they did banzai after their second goal. An article on the Korea Economic Daily suggests that in Korea the ritual is normally associated with their liberation from the colonial rule.
http://www.hankyung.com/news/app/newsview.php?aid=2012081126447&sid=010610&nid=000
11:58 pm August 13, 2012
TO nanashi-san wrote:
nanashi-san this is the quote from the wikipedia. this is why koreans bringing up the issue of the rising sun flag. “The Rising Sun Flag (旭日旗, Kyokujitsu-ki?) is the military flag of Japan.[1] It was used as the war flag of the Imperial Japanese Army and the ensign of the Imperial Japanese Navy until the end of World War II. The naval ensign and a modified version of the war flag continue to be in use by the Japanese Self-Defense Force, the design is also incorporated into many commercial products and advertisements. However, as the flag was heavily used by the Japanese in the conquest and the occupation of East Asia, it is seen as offensive in countries which were victims of Japanese colonialism, largely because of the war crimes perpetrated by the Japanese military”
11:58 pm August 13, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Rising Sun Flag. The fact is that it is a symbol of the Japanese Empire, period. To Chinese and Koreans this is a reminder of the atrocities that Japan did during the occupation period (i.e. experimenting with Korean and Chinese citizens, and raping the Chinese and Korean women by the Japanese army). The Japanese have apologized thousands of times for this period, but continues to promote this symbol, which to Chinese, Koreans and the rest of the world is a symbol of the Japanese Empire. To Chinese and Koreans the Rising Sun Flag is the equivalent of the Swastika (which is still used as a Buddhist symbol) to the Jews.
11:55 pm August 13, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
This is what Japan has done:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRs4EJ-O5Kw&feature=player_embedded#!
11:48 pm August 13, 2012
John Kim wrote:
SWASTIKA = RISING SUN FLAG
11:45 pm August 13, 2012
Gabriel wrote:
Can someone please explain the “He may not be getting his gong…” comment by the writer
11:36 pm August 13, 2012
Jun-ichi wrote:
In summary, Korean propaganda demonstrated in the Olympics field was systematic campaign.
Most of Korean players enjoyed the propaganda by Park Jong-woo together with a smile, and never stop him. (See evidences below.)
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM4TSNq4FAM
>http://photo.sankei.jp.msn.com/essay/~/media/essay…
>http://imgnews.naver.net/image/003/2012/08/11/NISI20120811_0006865496_web.jpg
11:33 pm August 13, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
In addition to polluting the spirit of Olympic –
he displayed critical fact that Korea has territorial dispute between Japan, which Korean government has always denied
11:31 pm August 13, 2012
nanashi-san wrote:
I don’t know why Koreans try to make things mix up by bringing our SunRise Flag. In case many stupid Koreans don’t know, I will explain it. SunRise flag is not something Koreans can make it as the symbol of invasion or whatever, it is still used as the flag in our Self Defensive Force. It is of course used officially now! Don’t even think that you can make it your stupid excuse! Koreans did violate the rule by performing the politic propaganda. That is the only fact here and he should be punished from IOC and FIFA. Korea should apologize to the world for this terrible behavior and she should swear to public not to do it again. That is the bottom line. We should think if we could allow him to get the medal or not after.
10:50 pm August 13, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
how can it be political when it is a fact that dokdo is part of south korea.please learn asian history first.or google SCAPIN677.when the japanese imperialism was ended, dokdo was excluded to japan’s teritory, thus returned to the rightful owner.IOC itself cannot define which is political when they did not noticed the japanese imperialism design of japan’s gymnastics uniform.and we did not hear any sanction and IOC even awarded the gold medal.
9:37 pm August 13, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
This judgment is right.
The problem is the fact that he raised a placard on the Island……
This is Olympic.
9:09 pm August 13, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
they should still give him the medal which he earned..there are many IOC decisions in the london olympic which shows that IOC is not for asian..they should first learn asian history..another is the korean fencer lost to semi-finals..though IOC admitted it was their fault but they did not corrected the decision..who is the racist then..
7:41 pm August 13, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
He made the worst memory for Japanese people in this Olympic.
6:39 pm August 13, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
i agree with his views but i firmly believe he shouldnt have done what he did, it wasnt necessary and he killed the spirit of a great victory..
If he doesnt receive a medal and/or doesnt receive exemption from the military, then so be it.. really regretful but i think the point must be made…
geez, why isnt anyone teaching the players some basic common sense..
this is coming from a korean
*******************************
6:39 pm August 13, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
i agree with his views but i firmly believe he shouldnt have done what he did, it wasnt necessary and he killed the spirit of a great victory..
If he doesnt receive a medal and/or doesnt receive exemption from the military, then so be it.. really regretful but i think the point must be made…
geez, why isnt anyone teaching the players some basic common sense..
this is coming from a korean
7:41 pm August 13, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
He made the worst memory for Japanese people in this Olympic.
9:09 pm August 13, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
they should still give him the medal which he earned..there are many IOC decisions in the london olympic which shows that IOC is not for asian..they should first learn asian history..another is the korean fencer lost to semi-finals..though IOC admitted it was their fault but they did not corrected the decision..who is the racist then..
9:37 pm August 13, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
This judgment is right.
The problem is the fact that he raised a placard on the Island……
This is Olympic.
10:50 pm August 13, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
how can it be political when it is a fact that dokdo is part of south korea.please learn asian history first.or google SCAPIN677.when the japanese imperialism was ended, dokdo was excluded to japan’s teritory, thus returned to the rightful owner.IOC itself cannot define which is political when they did not noticed the japanese imperialism design of japan’s gymnastics uniform.and we did not hear any sanction and IOC even awarded the gold medal.
11:31 pm August 13, 2012
nanashi-san wrote:
I don’t know why Koreans try to make things mix up by bringing our SunRise Flag. In case many stupid Koreans don’t know, I will explain it. SunRise flag is not something Koreans can make it as the symbol of invasion or whatever, it is still used as the flag in our Self Defensive Force. It is of course used officially now! Don’t even think that you can make it your stupid excuse! Koreans did violate the rule by performing the politic propaganda. That is the only fact here and he should be punished from IOC and FIFA. Korea should apologize to the world for this terrible behavior and she should swear to public not to do it again. That is the bottom line. We should think if we could allow him to get the medal or not after.
11:33 pm August 13, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
In addition to polluting the spirit of Olympic –
he displayed critical fact that Korea has territorial dispute between Japan, which Korean government has always denied
11:36 pm August 13, 2012
Jun-ichi wrote:
In summary, Korean propaganda demonstrated in the Olympics field was systematic campaign.
Most of Korean players enjoyed the propaganda by Park Jong-woo together with a smile, and never stop him. (See evidences below.)
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM4TSNq4FAM
>http://photo.sankei.jp.msn.com/essay/~/media/essay…
>http://imgnews.naver.net/image/003/2012/08/11/NISI20120811_0006865496_web.jpg
11:45 pm August 13, 2012
Gabriel wrote:
Can someone please explain the “He may not be getting his gong…” comment by the writer
11:48 pm August 13, 2012
John Kim wrote:
SWASTIKA = RISING SUN FLAG
11:55 pm August 13, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
This is what Japan has done:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRs4EJ-O5Kw&feature=player_embedded#!
11:58 pm August 13, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Rising Sun Flag. The fact is that it is a symbol of the Japanese Empire, period. To Chinese and Koreans this is a reminder of the atrocities that Japan did during the occupation period (i.e. experimenting with Korean and Chinese citizens, and raping the Chinese and Korean women by the Japanese army). The Japanese have apologized thousands of times for this period, but continues to promote this symbol, which to Chinese, Koreans and the rest of the world is a symbol of the Japanese Empire. To Chinese and Koreans the Rising Sun Flag is the equivalent of the Swastika (which is still used as a Buddhist symbol) to the Jews.
11:58 pm August 13, 2012
TO nanashi-san wrote:
nanashi-san this is the quote from the wikipedia. this is why koreans bringing up the issue of the rising sun flag. “The Rising Sun Flag (旭日旗, Kyokujitsu-ki?) is the military flag of Japan.[1] It was used as the war flag of the Imperial Japanese Army and the ensign of the Imperial Japanese Navy until the end of World War II. The naval ensign and a modified version of the war flag continue to be in use by the Japanese Self-Defense Force, the design is also incorporated into many commercial products and advertisements. However, as the flag was heavily used by the Japanese in the conquest and the occupation of East Asia, it is seen as offensive in countries which were victims of Japanese colonialism, largely because of the war crimes perpetrated by the Japanese military”
12:00 am August 14, 2012
samasama4 wrote:
Some Korean newspapers reported that, in an interview soon after the third place match, the Korean captain said that the team had planned a goal celebration with the aim to appeal South Korean sovereignty over the disputed islands.
This was not carried out, but instead they did banzai after their second goal. An article on the Korea Economic Daily suggests that in Korea the ritual is normally associated with their liberation from the colonial rule.
http://www.hankyung.com/news/app/newsview.php?aid=2012081126447&sid=010610&nid=000
12:09 am August 14, 2012
Hinomoto wrote:
Let’s get back to the point, South Korean subject.
The Korean football player apparently violated the Olympic Charter 5-50. Also, one of the Korean players said he had a plan to do political performance in the field.
And let you know that most shameful things in the game : why did his team mate stop him ?? Seems all Korean football players don’t have qualification of Olympic medals. Spoiled the Olympic spilts and medals.
Think about Palestine, North Ireland, Spratly Islands, Tibet, Uighur, Kashmir, Kosovo, Gibraltar, West Sahara, Ellesmere Island and othes territory issues.
Did these relatied peoples perform something ? Never and ever.
IOC and FIFA should give them appropriate fair penalties.
12:10 am August 14, 2012
ANONYMOUS wrote:
RISING SUN FLAG = THE FLAG HEAVILY USED BY THE JAPANESE IN THE CONQUEST AND THE OCCUPATION OF EAST ASIA. IT IS SEEN AS OFFENSIVE IN COUNTRIES WHICH WERE VICTIMS OF JAPANESE COLONIALISM, LARGELY BECAUSE OF THE WAR CRIMES PERPETRATED BY THE JAPANESE MILITARY. BY WIKIPEDIA.
THE JAPANESE GYMNASTS & TEAM UNIFORMS AT THE OLYMPICS: : http://ukuzihs.tumblr.com/post/22848649852/japanese-london-2012-olympics-gymnasts-and-their
–> RISING SUN FLAG
IMAGINE GERMANS WEAR SWASTIKA ON THEIR UNIFORMS???
12:14 am August 14, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
I’m deeply concerned about 2018 winter olympic in Korea.
Do they have any responsibilities as a host country?
12:17 am August 14, 2012
Hinomoto wrote:
“Think about Palestine, North Ireland, Spratly Islands, Tibet, Uighur, Kashmir, Kosovo, Gibraltar, West Sahara, Ellesmere Island and othes territory issues. Did these relatied peoples perform something ? Never and ever.”
But the Jews did. Thank you for acknowledging that what your country did was wrong!!
12:18 am August 14, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
2018 olympics in Korea should be find, like World Cup 2012.
12:24 am August 14, 2012
DOK DO IS KOREAN'S TERRITORY AND THAT IS THE TRUTH! wrote:
to me the sign Park Jong Woo had was not a political message.
it is Koreans saying Dok Do is Koreans! it is the truth not the political message..
in my opinion!!
12:29 am August 14, 2012
Juuichi wrote:
Sovereignty of Takeshima
In 1618 (note), Jinkichi Ohya and Ichibei Murakawa, who were merchants of Yonago in the Houki-no-kuni region in the Tottori clan, received permission for passage to Utsuryo Island (then “Takeshima”) from the Shogunate via the feudal lord of Tottori. Following that, the two families took turns in traveling alternately traveled to Utsuryo Island once every year, and engaging in catching abalone, hunting sea lions and in felling trees, including bamboo. (Note) Some claim that it was in 1625.
Both families engaged in fishing around Utsuryo Island with ships with the hollyhock crest of the ruling Shogunate family on the sails, and usually presented the abalone caught as homage to the Shogunate and others. Thus, they monopolized in some way or other the management of the island with the approval of the Shogunate.
During this period, Takeshima that was on the route from Oki to Utsuryo Island naturally came to be used as a navigational port, docking point for ships and a rich fishing ground for sea lions and abalone.
Thus, Japan established the sovereignty over Takeshima by the mid 17th century in the early Edo Period at the latest.
If the Shogunate had recognized Utsuryo Island and Takeshima as foreign territories at that time, it would have banned passage to these islands in 1635 when it issued its directive to close Japan to the outside world and prohibit Japanese from traveling abroad. However no such measure was taken.
12:31 am August 14, 2012
Juuichi wrote:
There is no evidence showing that the ROK has long recognized the existence of Takeshima. For example, the ROK claims that, based on descriptions in old Korean texts including “Samguksagi (History of the Three Kingdoms: 1145),” “Sejong Sillok Jiriji (Geographical Appendix to the Veritable Records of King Sejong: 1454),” “Sinjeung Dongguk Yeoji Seungnam (A Revised Edition of the Augmented Survey of the Geography of Korea: 1531),” “Dongguk Munheonbigo (Study of Korean Documents: 1770),” “Mangi Yoram (Handbook of State Affairs: 1808)” and “Jeungbo Munheonbigo (Augmented Study of Documents: 1908),” Koreans had long been aware of the existence of the two islands of Utsuryo and Usan, and that this “Usan Island” is the current Takeshima.
12:31 am August 14, 2012
Juuichi wrote:
However, whereas the “History of the Three Kingdoms” contains a description that Utsuryo Island which belonged to Usan Country became a part of Silla in 512, there is no description of “Usan Island.” Meanwhile, in other ancient Korean documents, “Usan Island” is described as a place where many people lived and large bamboo was cultivated, which does not represent the realities of Takeshima and sounds more like Utsuryo Island.
The ROK claims that “Usan Island” is what the Japanese called Matsushima (now Takeshima) based on the description in “Yeojiji (Record of Geography: 1656)” cited in the “Study of Korean Documents,” “Augmented Study of Documents” and “Handbook of State Affairs.” On the other hand, some study criticizes that the original text in the “Record of Geography” indicates that “Usan Island” and Utsuryo Island are two names for the same island and that the description in the documents such as the “Study of Korean Documents” did not directly or accurately quote from the “Record of Geography.” Such study points out that the descriptions in those documents were copied from “Ganggyego (Study of National Boundary)” (part of “Ganggyeji -Record of National Boundary: 1756″), which had uncritically copied a less reliable statement by An Yong-bok.
In the map attached to “A Revised Edition of the Augmented Survey of the Geography of Korea,” Utsuryo Island and “Usan Island” are described as two separate islands. If, as the ROK claims, “Usan Island” were the current Takeshima, it should have been described as a much smaller island than Utsuryo Island and located east of Utsuryo Island. However, the “Usan Island” in this map is illustrated as being roughly of the same size as Utsuryo Island, and situated between the Korean Peninsula and Utsuryo Island (west of Utsuryo Island), which shows that the island does not exist.
12:45 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Political performances by Korean president and Park were reported around the world.
The territorial issue became an international common understanding.
Thanks, Park! It’s your own goal!
12:45 am August 14, 2012
to Juuichi wrote:
study Korean history more deeper and also the Dok Do history more deeper
Korean’s dok do history begins at AD 512. THINK ABOUT IT!! your history of DOK DO starts in 1618.
Korean’s history with Dok Do starts over 1000 years before Japanese.
what do you think!!!
1:04 am August 14, 2012
a Chinese wrote:
Juuichi you Yariman… Admit that Japan is wrong… Give us back Diaoyu Islands
1:11 am August 14, 2012
1990london1990 wrote:
TAKESHIMA or DOKDO, Park Jong-woo should have known better.
He lacked sportsmanship and did not show any ‘Olympic’ spirit.
Also, Why not bring the issue to the International Court of Justice then?
If the Koreans are so confident about their claims, then it should be an easy win.
But the years of refusal illustrates one thing: All talk, no action.
1:14 am August 14, 2012
1990london1990 wrote:
I forgot, we should also have a good explanation to why we used uniforms with the Rising Sun Flag, just in case they come back at us on that. SWASTIKA = RISING SUN FLAG
1:25 am August 14, 2012
1990london1990 wrote:
The 1:14 comment starting “I forgot,” is not my comment.
Petty deed like this is the Korean’s favorite way, just like escaping from the International Court of Justice.
1:27 am August 14, 2012
samurai wrote:
Problem is that Korean players bring a political problem to the Olympics, systematically.
Many people in the world would have their problems concerning politics. But they never express their political opinions in this sports festival.
This is the most important rule of the Olympics. But Korean football team violated this rule.
To “to Juuichi” :
Sorry, Japanese history of Takeshima begins at B.C.56. Takeshima belongs to Japan historically and this is based on the international law.
1:57 am August 14, 2012
a Chinese wrote:
Diaoyu Islands are Chinese!!!
1:59 am August 14, 2012
a Chinese wrote:
The Japanese in this blog, have no class!!
2:03 am August 14, 2012
J wrote:
What is so complicated? This shouldnt have been an issue in the first place. Dokdo belongs to Korea and evervlbody but the japanese knows it. The player holding up that sign is like holding up a sign that says “New york is in the US” That is not at all being political. Its just simply stating a fact. Why on earth is that a reason to even get a warning? This whole thing does not make sense at all.
2:07 am August 14, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
Like comments above, korean people do n’t understand seriousness of the violation.
In FIFA WC 2002(Korea was a host country), korean supporters have defamed opponents.
They must play a role of a host country in 2018 winter olympic.
Audiences may repeat same mistakes.
IOC should care about it seriously.
2:13 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
to “a Japanese” I think its as serious as Japanese sportsmen wearing the rising sun flag as their uniform
2:14 am August 14, 2012
j wrote:
to a japanese
korean supporters have defamed opponents.
What do you mean by that???????
and What kind of violation can be possibly come of stating a true fact?
To be honest, this case just looks like japan being mad because they lost that soccer match this all started.
2:24 am August 14, 2012
Jen wrote:
The translation is a a little off Alastair Gale.. 독도는 우리 땅, “Dokdo is our land”.
2:43 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Asians want to start WW3.
Asians never learn from the past.
Would Great Briton say ” Australia is ours, New Zealand is ours”?? HECK NO, we white ppl clearly cant let Asians dominate the world, otherwise WW3 will come….
2:53 am August 14, 2012
samurai wrote:
Koreans do not know that facts sometimes could be political messages. They should understand TPO and the sprits of the Olympics.
Granted that Takeshima is korean teritory, it is no excuse for violateing the Olympic Charter.
2:59 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
That’s easy to say when you are a nation that owes reparations for the past, like the Japanese and many western countries. I think the Japanese should give back the islands admitting to their historical mistakes and move on with life.
3:06 am August 14, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
Sorry to be late.
Hi, Mr.Anonymous(2:13 am August 14, 2012)
The flag has been used after WW2, and no country, except Korea and China, claimed concern.
Look this. A western man waved the flag with a smile in London!
http://livedoor.3.blogimg.jp/dqnplus/imgs/5/c/5cf03fb1.jpg
3:16 am August 14, 2012
a Japanese (3:06) wrote:
Haha.. Thats a little kid waving the flag, he has no idea. Doesn’t mean anything, just like when Americans go to Tokyo and bow at the Yasukuni Shrine.
3:26 am August 14, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
Yes, that’s right.
I mean people has no concern about the flag. He thinks it just a japanese flag
3:31 am August 14, 2012
a Japanese (3:06) wrote:
Because he is an idiot… The fact is that, that is the flag of the Japanese Empire. Just like the Swastika was the flag of German/Nazi Empire.
3:32 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The korea olympic committee (KOC) represented their appology to the japan olympic committee (JOC) by e-mai and fax.
Koreans adomited their violation of the olympic rule.
The IOC should divest of Koreans bronze medals.
3:49 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
In Asia, only Koreans and Chineses hate japan and demand reparation.
They always say to japan “make reparation!!!” , even if they catch influenza. Maybe, their influenza would come from Japan. They continue to make endless demands.
Although western people cannot believe, other asian countries likes japan very much.
3:55 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 3:49 wrote:
Duh!! Ofcourse, Japan has never occupied any western country. But the international community needs to become more aware that what Japan did to China and Korea, was just as bad as what Germany did to the Jews. A mere apology doesn’t cut it.
4:10 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
What did japan do to China and Korea???
Japanese people do the same thing to other asian countries.
I never hear the other asian contries say “Reparation!!, Reparation!!” Just only chinese and korean.
I think japan hasn’t problems, only China and Korea have problems in Asia.
4:16 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 4:10 wrote:
Genocide, experimenting with Chinese and Koreans to improve military technology (chemical weapons), comfort women for the Japanese empire… The list goes on buddy… Reparations is right, Japan has become a superpower much to do because of the exploitation of colonial resources, in this case mostly human.
4:25 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
He didn’t intent this ceremony, but just got this picket from one of the audience. He wasn’t aware of Olympic rules fully enough and there was not any intention to make conflict. People so easily talk about depriving Olympic medals but think about how much players make effort to get them. It would be too harsh to deprive his medal. Considering this happened first time, the punishment of IOC has to be warning.
4:34 am August 14, 2012
a Japanese wrote:
Japanese army killed many chinese.
But, chinese communist party’s army and nationalist party’s army
had battled each other. They killed many chinese, too.
Chinese government has been putting all the blame on Japan
and padded out the number of victims by Japan.
Japan already apologized several times.
4:42 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Hey Japanese 4:34. That is the dumbest argument I have heard. “Chinese killing Chinese, exempts Japan from any blame”. Modern Japanese supporting the deeds of the Japanese empire… Imperial Japan = Nazi Germany, and SWASTIKA = RISING SUN FLAG
4:52 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
An apology doesn’t cut it. Give China and Korea back their territory you are claiming, Dokdo and Sengoku Islands
5:01 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 4:16 wrote:
No evidence has found for genocide and comfort women.
Only a few persons were unfortunately killed by experimets.
It is a sad thing, but big wars always accompany victims. This is the historical truth.
For japan is a superpower, just only you want to do extortion.
5:09 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 5:01 wrote:
Thanks for acknowledging that Imperial Japan experimented with Korean and Chinese citizens. Imperial Japan = Nazi Germany, and SWASTIKA = RISING SUN FLAG…
5:11 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Park Jong-woo clearly intended to demonstrate the political message and his teammates do not stop him to run around the field showing the political sign. This is a korean team performance.
The IOC had better deprive of their medals according to the Olympic Charter.
5:17 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 5:09 wrote:
Thank you for addmitting that there are no evidence on genocide and comfort women.
These are chinese’ and koreans’ persecution complex.
5:22 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 4:52 wrote:
Dont misunderstand! Only Koreans and Chinese are claming.
Intelligent people does not think the same as Korea and China.
5:23 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The korea olympic committee (KOC) represented their appology to the japan olympic committee (JOC) by e-mai and fax.
Koreans adomited their violation of the olympic rule.
The IOC should divest of Koreans bronze medals.
.
This is the best answer!!!
5:23 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 5:17 wrote:
You dumb Yariman. There is evidence of Genocide and Comfort woman. There are people who are currently alive to tell their story. If you are in denial, its because of the filtered education you are getting in Japan. Imperial Japan = Nazi Germany, and SWASTIKA = RISING SUN FLAG…
5:35 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 5:23 wrote:
Koreans are apt to use blue languages when they are beaten on arguments.
People who have common sence dont use bawdy slags.
Sorry, I just remember that Koreans are not normal. They have Hwabyung!!
Are you bother with Hwabyung?
5:41 am August 14, 2012
Korean from the US wrote:
Who cares about a bunch of rocks in the middle of nowhere ? The island is inhabitable and has no strategic or agricultural benefit. Seems to me, the native Koreans always have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to Japanese anything. It’s really sad.. the young generation are taught to hate the Japanese for the atrocities committed 60 years ago. You ask 10 Koreans about Dokodo and 9 out of 10 will agree and have a strong opinion. You ask 10 Japanese.. half of them don’t know or even care… I respect nationalism.. but bizarre nationalism coupled with continuing hate of the Japanese does not resolve anything. I agree with Ban Ki Moon on having international dialogue facilitated by the UN.
5:43 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
There are no need to appologize for japanese committee if Koreans team didnt violate the olympic rule.
It’s the answer.
5:46 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Imperial Japan = Nazi Germany, and SWASTIKA = RISING SUN FLAG
5:56 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
To Anonymous 5:46
Are you bother with Hwabyung?
.
5:59 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous 5:46 wrote:
calm yourself!
Help yourself to the kimchi!!
6:00 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
The korea olympic committee (KOC) represented their appology to the japan olympic committee (JOC) by e-mai and fax.
Koreans adomited their violation of the olympic rule.
The IOC should divest of Koreans bronze medals.
.
This is the best answer!!!
6:01 am August 14, 2012
American Observer wrote:
The only time in history, ancient or modern, when Japan held territorial rights over Dokdo was during Japan’s illegal occupation of Korea, which occurred following the Japanese brutal murder of the Korean Queen and Japan’s subsequent offer of “assistance.” That “assistance” went in rapid stages from “maintaining order” in the capital, to occupation of the entirety of Korea, to the theft of natural resources and the diversion of the majority of the Korean rice crop to Japan, resulting in about a million Korean deaths. In short order, it was announced that there was no Korea and that there were no Koreans, only Japanese who happened, unfortunately, to still be Korean. So the wonderful Bismark inspired Japanese educational system came to Korea and soon Koreans were not permitted to publish or speak Korean in their own country. People were told to take Japanese names. History was flipped on its head. Whereas in the period of say 200 BCE-600 CE the Korean Kingdoms (Goguryeo, Baekje, shilla and Gaya) were iron-age, sword-bearing, horseriding, modern states, and Japan was a conglomeration of primitive Austronesian-Korean hybrid chieftaincies that depended 100% on Korea for literacy, iron, statecraft, 20th Century post-Meiji education told the Koreans that they always were mere subjects of greater Japan.
Doesn’t it seem odd that the Japanese are today the only major nation in the world where they still are afraid to discuss their history honestly? Isn’t it odd that Japan is the only island-country where their inhabitants resist the notion that they originally had to have come to their islands from the mainland? Doesn’t it seem odd that poor, innocent Japan still has territorial disputes with EVERY one of its neighbors?
The typically cowardly Japanese militarists had Shimane Prefecture claim authority over Dokdo. They are not your average Japanese, of course. Most Japanese and Koreans get along very well on a personal level, as they should, having a very similar original culture – Korean.
6:04 am August 14, 2012
To Korean from the US (5:41) wrote:
“atrocities committed 60 years ago.” At least you got that right. -Another Korean from the US
6:10 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Imperial Japan = Nazi Germany, and SWASTIKA = RISING SUN FLAG1
6:17 am August 14, 2012
American 6:01 wrote:
Hi, Korean!
You have many knowledge with bias. Study histries about Asia without prejudice.
You also have Hwabyung. Go to a doctor.
6:19 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Problem is that Korean players bring a political problem to the Olympics, systematically.
Many people in the world would have their problems concerning politics. But they never express their political opinions in this sports festival.
This is the most important rule of the Olympics. But Korean football team violated this rule.
6:34 am August 14, 2012
Osaka48 wrote:
The Korean athlete acted shamefully and with disrespect for all Olympians and the a the games. He violated the rules and was justly punished. THERE IS NO ROOM FOR POLITICS IN THE OLYMPICS…NONE. Anyone who defends his action is quite ignorant. How will Korea police its out-of-control nationalism during its own hosting of the Olympic games?
7:08 am August 14, 2012
John wrote:
As a Korean, what Park Jong Soo did was NOT shameful, but it was clearly wrong in the context of the Olympics and I support the IOC in their suspension. While I feel really bad for him (I don’t think that 22 year old would’ve done that if he knew the implications), Koreans should quickly recognize this, accept responsibility for the mistake, and move on. If such things are allowed, the Olympics would lose its meaning and you open the door for escalations that could repeat the tragedy in the Munich Games. But, I really hope the Olympics look at all incidents equally (whether intentional or not) and apply the right justice. I wish Japan would concede on these meaningless issues and allow South Korea to concede its resentment. Honestly, both countries need to spend more time focusing on how to counter China and North Korea…
7:09 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
To prevent recurrence, IOC and FIFA should impose penalty to Park Jong-Woo and the team.
As you can see from above comments, some (not all i believe) Korean people do not understand the intent of Olympic Charter.
I also feel sorry for the young football players that pay the penalty who just followed the propaganda of Korean President. Olympic game is not the place for political propaganda. Korea should learn more if they really want to host 2018 Olympic game.
7:12 am August 14, 2012
To Korean from the US (6:04) wrote:
You too must have been taught to hate the Japanese. As a Korean who immigrated to the US, I was told they were the enemy.. they took our land and changed the history books. My grandfather was forced to speak Japanese living in Korea. That was over 60 years ago. I understand where the nationalism comes from. We are taught to hate them. But where does it stop ? Am I going to tell my children Japan is the enemy like my father and grandfather before me ? Like a posted before.. It’s Korea who has a chip on their shoulder as they should.. the majority of the Japanese could care less… I worked in Japan for a year. The majority of the people I speak with are indifferent.. they just don’t care or know. I do think they should care and feel remorseful of the atrocities done by the Japanese military.. but the young generation in their 20-40′s don’t have a clue or don’t even know why we are mad at them.
Be it the WBC 2009 when the Korea team put a Korean flag on the pitchers mound to the Dokdo soccer incident. There is always a time and a place for politics.. but on the pitch of an international game where we are suppose to play for our country’s pride.. it makes us look bad.
I understand why he did what he did.. he was taught to hate Japan.. he thought it would be cool to make a statement in an international game. Nothing will change the past.. we have to move forward
8:00 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Imperial Japan = Nazi Germany, and SWASTIKA = RISING SUN FLAG11
8:08 am August 14, 2012
Brian wrote:
Heavy dose of cheap patriotism from a member of team that so values avoiding military service to its country.
8:14 am August 14, 2012
Educate the player about sport manner that's all wrote:
Don’t bring in any issue than sport into Olympics. that’s the original spirit respected since ancient Olympic games. The disputes in this world has no end, and every player withholds expressing political message during the Games – don’t be the first to spoil the festival. If you want to discuss about territory do it somewhere else as you please, but NOT ON THE FIELD.
If the player knew that Japanese are claiming the land as well, he should have imagination that the placard words can be easily associated with political message regardless of his belief where the island belongs to.
8:49 am August 14, 2012
flex wrote:
Korean’s political act should be done not in Oliypics but in politics itself
8:56 am August 14, 2012
Simon wrote:
There is no excuse. Olympic is a place for sportmanship, as all agreed with, not for any patriotism or political reasons. One breaks the Olympic charter, he should face penalty. Guy, you are not teenager.Learn the lesson and ahere to the international rules and common sense..
8:59 am August 14, 2012
Anoymous wrote:
As a result Koreans know nothing what the Olympics alll about
9:12 am August 14, 2012
RJ wrote:
After players have been sanctioned by dismissal from the Olympics for racist tweets and derogatory comments like that made by a Swiss player against Koreans absolutely NO quarter should be given to this Korean player for that disgraceful cowardly act. He should certainly NOT receive any medal and be expelled from international competition for at least 2 years!
9:20 am August 14, 2012
Nara wrote:
I agree Simon but this is the paradox of the Olympics. It is nations competing and that is nationalistic by nature. No international event can be completely apolitical as long as the athletes themselves or Olympics fans project what they have learned about patriotism and politics in their respectful culture. Let’s not deny that. One athlete may be more focused on the sport and personal accomplishment but there will always be people that project their nationalistic ideas on them and worship them as national heroes. One athlete might be motivated by grandiose patriotic ideals trying to save face of her country but onlookers might just see that person as a human with incredible skill. So while I do think this guy was immature, and inconsiderate and ruined the festive atmosphere, I do find it unsettling that people act as if they truly view the Olympics just for the sport.
10:31 am August 14, 2012
OffshoreMM wrote:
Consider for a moment how Korean citizens would react if the Japanese waved Takeshima flags on the sports field during a game against Korea. Would they consider it a “Political Slogan”? And I put the words in quotes, because that is what all of the low-rent Korean newspapers here in Korea are doing, treating it as if it weren’t even a political message. If this player is given a pass, then the Japanese should equally be able to wave Takeshima flags freely on the field, without complaints from Korea. Fair is fair, isn’t it?
10:39 am August 14, 2012
Yuka wrote:
Hi Nara, I agree with you in that, a sort of nationalism is inseparable since nations competing each other – even not much interesting without it. But at same time, the beauty of Olympics I think is that every player refrains from expressing his/her personal belief to oneself and respect each other so that every one can focus on sport itself.. So I think it is also a battle within oneself as well, to keep his/her personal feelings to oneself.
11:09 am August 14, 2012
Lee Seungyoon wrote:
Park Jong-woo did the right thing for Koreans, but not for the entire Olympic fans, who can be a kid dreaming to be on the olympic stages or non-qualified athletes.
However, who says the Olympics are apolitical? The Olympics had already been the money and power game.
11:16 am August 14, 2012
Brian wrote:
‘‘I’m very happy to win the bronze medal and everybody here will now get a new chance by being exempted from military service,” said striker Park Chu-young, who scored a stunning first goal.
Associated Press, 11 August 2012
11:27 am August 14, 2012
Anonimous wrote:
Where do you draw the line in a political statement. Maybe Takayuki Yumira should be banned from sports for wearing the Rising Sun Flag as his uniform. Chinese and Koreans take this as a symbol of Japanese imperialism and the human rights abuse against thsoe nations. Is this where you draw the political line??
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/nu8-uxxsduI/Olympics+Day+3+Equestrian/nmVv1XIkfvM
11:33 am August 14, 2012
American observer wrote:
The IOC should come down hard on South Korea over this incident. If the take a weak stance, we can expect at the next Olympics every sort of border conflict issue and other political issues will come up on the playing field. From the photo it is obvious that the South Korean team members did not try to stop Park from holding up the political sign. Soccer is a team sport. The team supported the message therefore the team should suffer the consequences. The whole team should be stripped of their bronze medals. It is the only way for the IOC to make it clear that the Olympics must not be a place for political statements.
11:36 am August 14, 2012
Julie wrote:
The slogan is written in Korean,,,
What percentage of people in the world would know what it means?
His ceremony was meant for Koreans only who understand the meaning of the slogan.
I am sure he didn’t have any political intention at all.
He did so just to thank the Korean audience and to express his patriotism.
The IOC has gone way too far.
11:50 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I believed every player must have known the moral, without being told what to do or not… but as I see this time, some players or people do not understand until they get real punishment.. it is a sad thing. I long believed Korea was already one of the industrialized countries, but there is still some room to judge.
11:52 am August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
독도는 대한민국의 영토다!
12:24 pm August 14, 2012
Cleo wrote:
that’s a clear no no but in a world without justice when the murderers got away with it and demand to be treated equally and included to events like the Olympics and even wear BABY colors, well expressing yourself in defiance of goblins in your presence, that means more than any medal especially since the victory still stands.
12:29 pm August 14, 2012
The sore loser wrote:
Yeah, take the bronze medal from the whole team for not stopping Mr. Park and give it to the Japanese team. As a Japanese, the anger makes me crazy!! I cant believe we lost 2-0, we are just inferior human beings..
12:32 pm August 14, 2012
A Vietnamese wrote:
Are you kidding me ? The Koreans were collaborators in WW2. They helped Japanese army spread into Asia. When the army killed and raped, they did it too. Hypocrites
12:33 pm August 14, 2012
just wondering wrote:
If Park Jong-woo holds a sign reading “Dokdo is our territory” in Korean language,
does it mean, Dokdo belongs to North Korea or South Korea?
12:44 pm August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Entire South Korea belongs to North Korea.
12:45 pm August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
His performance was really regrettable.
Moreover, some Korean people can’t admit his violation but distort the Japanese uniform to their own advantage.
What a shameful comment…
1:09 pm August 14, 2012
Hkim wrote:
I am reminded of the 1968 Mexico Olympics incident at the medal stand when on October 16, 1968, African-American sprinters Tommie Smith and John Carlos, the gold and bronze medalists in the men’s 200-meter race, showed up wearing black socks without shoes and civil rights badges while lowering their heads and making the unforgettable “black-power salute” with the defiantly black-gloved fist as the Star Spangled Banner was played. The subsequent suspension from the U.S. Olympic team and ban from the Olympic Village by IOC president Avery Brundage was a stark reminder of how serious the Olympic Committee was about its apolitical stance and its unwillingness to become a free-for-all venue for display of various political and nationalistic gripes of individuals who had agreed to put those things aside for a mere two weeks of fair play and tolerance. What happened with Park is no different, and he doesn’t deserve any sympathy or undue attention for his immature and crude behavior that violated the spirit and essence of the games.
1:28 pm August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
This decision is along the policy of IOC and as such it is nowhere close to overreacting. If the South Koreans think that IOC is overreacting, then they are sorely mistaken – this doesn’t even compare to the 1968 Black Power Salute incident, where the athletes were permanently expelled and the entire American team also threatened to be expelled. If Brundage had his way in 2012, I’m sure the entire South Korean team would be expelled from the Olympics for some time, as it seems the South Korean football association at first defended Park’s actions and stated that they were planning a ceremony after the match.
Either way, this is a dispicable act by Park that only serves to raise tension between South Korea and Japan. In fact, it seems Japan is the reserved one here – acting within the guidelines of international law, whereas South Korea simply whines and screams out loud that Liancourt Rocks are theirs.
How childish.
1:39 pm August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
I find it hilarious that despite Japan requesting the use of International Court of Justice to resolve this issue, South Korea is the one that’s always refusing – three times, to be exact.
Not sure why this rogue nation is in the G20 at all, really.
1:40 pm August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
It seems to me that South Korea doesn’t have many things that are worthwhile. The only thing that comes to mind is Samsung, and that’s because its a cheap knock-off of the iPhone.
1:41 pm August 14, 2012
Curious wrote:
I want to know, wasn’t Koreans technically Japanese until end of World War II, so hence the axis nation that lost?
I recall reading that many of the brutalities against Chinese citizens were committed by Korean officers within the ranks.
1:44 pm August 14, 2012
seriously wrote:
The Koreans are now comparing the rising sun flag to the swastika?
I find that hysterical. Bloody hell, more people died under flags of Spain, Netherlands, France and my Great Britain during the colonial era…just look at Dutch East Indies. That place was a hellhole. Or Belgian Congo where that King Leopold or whatever killed off half the country’s population in a decade or so.
These Koreans didn’t go through jack squat compared to these real colonies.
2:12 pm August 14, 2012
OffshoreMM wrote:
Dear Korean posters: This is the WSJ. We came to read a story about an Olympic disqualification, not about Dokdo. The rest of the world doesn’t care about Dokdo, and never will care about Dokdo, in the same sense that Koreans don’t care much about American or Canadian politics. You are wasting your breath and your time trying to make historical citations, as we largely don’t care. It’s not that we support Japan over Korea, it’s that we (Westerners) simply don’t care about this tiny, insignificant territorial spat. If you spent even a fraction of the time worrying about REAL issues in Korea that you spent on Dokdo drum-beating, perhaps some of the REAL problems in Korea (suicide, household debt, property inflation, low wages, massive corruption, huge gap in wealth, lack of jobs etc) might actually move towards being solved.
Dokdo is a took used by the Korean government to stir up the generally ignorant public. Not until the public realizes this fact and overcomes it will Korean again continue to move forward.
If Koreans took the time they devoted to Japan-hating, and spent even 1/100000th of that time cleaning their own streets, the streets of Korea would be spotless instead of filthy, as they are currently.
2:13 pm August 14, 2012
ToAllidiots wrote:
The island monkeys worship Korean descendant “E”mperor and conveniently forgot they were the war criminals. The placard was not a political statement. The three hair short monkeys are making it as one. They lost Sahalin to Russia because they lost the war and they had to pay it. The monkeys are claims somebody’s land as their own repeatedly and think then it will become theirs. Do you understand “brainwashed” apes?
2:27 pm August 14, 2012
The Record wrote:
Read any history of the Bataan Death March and the Japanese prison camps of WWII. You will learn that Koreans in the Japanese Imperial Army were more cruel to allied POWs than the Japanese.
3:09 pm August 14, 2012
The biggest concern wrote:
If the act by Park and other players those who carried the banner on the huge Korean national flag, which size was obviously over the regulation which LOCOG set, tolerated, any country can take advantage of the Olympics to promote their political statements.
Particularly nations with territorial disputes or warfare, such as
- Israel and Palestine over Gaza
- India and Pakistan over Kashmir
- Sudan and South Sudan over Darfur
etc.
We would not like to see the second Munich Massacre.
Particularly as the proposed host nation of 2018 Winter Olympics, not only South Korean Olympic Committee, but Korean government, and Korean people have to prove that they NEVER cause such political act at any of Olympic venue, otherwise the host city should be changed to somewhere else, I suppose
3:37 pm August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
London Olympics:
South Korean FOOTBALLERS displayed a flag with a political message
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFuAkNrN7c&feature=youtube_gdata_player
3:50 pm August 14, 2012
a wrote:
I can’t use English but I try posting Japanese.
please translate
前々から、「韓国と試合や何かをすると、勝敗に関わらず不快になる」と言われてきたが、これがそのの代表例だよ！
特に日本に対するイチャモンは不快を通り越している（何年前かのドイツに対する侮辱も）
旭日旗の件もそうだし（この旗を鉤十字に重ねるのはナンセンス。こじつけるにしても黒十字が限界）
もしかしたら、日本人より欧米の人のほうが旭日旗を好きだってこともある
事実、自分は旭日旗に関して特に思い入れが無い（思想が軍事に傾いている日本人が無関係な（とは言い切れないけれど）旭日旗を持ち出すことはある
ただ、思い入れが無い≠嫌い、 ということは覚えておいてほしい
旭日旗（sun rising flag）を汚すことは、日章旗（Japan flag）を汚すことと同じ意味だ
結局、旭日旗の件を韓国が持ち出したところで、韓国サッカーがオリンピック憲章に多大に違反したことの事実を否定することはできない、ということ
4:06 pm August 14, 2012
Minjae wrote:
Hey guys, as a Korean-American — I want to say that I appreciate the passion and conviction by both Japanese and Koreans about this incident. But to those Koreans that claim this is not political — I disagree. Even if I agree that Korea should own them, the fact remains is that there is an official dispute between the two countries on Liancourt Rocks (Dokdo, Takeshima). Until that is resolved — showing a sign like the one Park put up after the game IS POLITICAL. He should not have done that as many Japanese and Koreans have correctly pointed out. In fact, I’ve spoken to my parents and others — and I think the general feeling is that yes Dokdo belongs to us, but this was neither the time nor the place to have made that announcement. Park is definitely patriotic, but very ignorant of how to represent Korea and how to be an Olympian. And, also — this guy Park would never have considered doing such a silly thing if he had understood the consequences of his actions in advance (it was not preplanned). The IOC was correct in this case — and no matter whether they penalize Japanese Gymmastics for the “Rising Sun” uniforms or not, as one who is proud of his Korean heritage, I WANT to be above reproach. If we were wrong at the Olympics, we should accept responsibility and recognize going forward how to be a better nation in the world’s eyes; no excuses! At the same time, all the Japanese and Koreans here who are spewing hate, propaganda, and skewed history lessons — this is an exercise in futility! You/we/all of us have greater benefits in moving beyond this dispute. Someone else mentioned there are bigger fish to worry about (China, NK). He/she is right! This is not the time to start throwing history books at each other. No one pays me enough to solve a problem like Dokdo, so I don’t have an answer to this. But it would seem to me that both countries need to calm down. From my point of view, Japanese need to stop looking down on Koreans and their issues and pay attention. South Korea in this day and age is a worthy partner and friend; not an enemy! You act like your honor is being harmed — but I would argue that it is already damaged (you just don’t know it). If you talk to people around the world — there is a world-wide perception issue you need to come to terms with about your identity and what you think is right. Let me qualify that by saying all countries have these types of problems — even Korea — even the US. You may not trust my words — but I swear I am trying to be objective. Koreans on the other hand, you guys need to chill out and stop acting like victims! I believe Koreans are much better than this and strong enough to face these kinds of issues with dignity and class. Again, in this day and age — Japan is a worthy ally! The Olympics have a spirit that transcends above any country’s nationalism. It takes nationalism and moves it away from military/political disputes and showcases it in the spirit of competition and goodwill. There is no paradox here — just an opportunity to recognize each other with respect and without agenda on a world stage — to see each country for who they are without malice, prejudice, and contempt. I hope my Korean brethren will move away from these arguments with this understanding and show contrition. Finally, I hope the Japanese will appreciate that many Koreans understand how to be honorable and fair in a place like the Olympics, but more importantly I hope they can begin to understand the Korean mindset about these issues in general and show empathy! This is the right way! That is what the Olympics are for!
4:12 pm August 14, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
this is the fact.
http://youtu.be/k3_H5YFm5lU
4:20 pm August 14, 2012
sakura wrote:
to Julie
>The slogan is written in Korean,,,
hi,a lot of japanese women study Hangul to watch beautiful korean drama,then japanese can read korean. also,Hangul was made by great king Sejong, its very simple language,written that “i decide to make haguel to stupid,ignored people 愚民”in “Hunminjeongeum”.訓民正音훈민정음
to Juuichi
>the two islands of Utsuryo and Usan, and that this “Usan Island” is the current Takeshima.
i wonder why korean people could not read map……is it in korean educational error???
竹島（독도）검증동영상part2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIXP91IJTK0
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(mochi thinking)
at my age,we had learned that Takeshima island should be shared with korea,as named to change "a peaceful island for japan and korea" by social teacher.
Thinking carefully,they belonged in Japan teacher's organization,Nikyoso,so what they were communists familiar with Korea or China........
fu~~~~~.........the root of the problems have been belonged in educational business...
by way by,korean president Yi had brought the issue of comfort women concerned with conflicting of DOKDO, then i must study it.
to dokdo
koreans have some confusing with mixed the truly history and propaganda.
>They forced 240,000 Korean women to serve as sex slaves for Japanese soldiers.
> (The number is 430,000 according to Korean sources.)
what is the unveracious number of victims,is it doubled game or something?? korean always surmise by their light head.....
i am studying women's right,then i had believed korean showing.i was stupid...
there was 240,000 Korean women as forced sex slave,i recognize it. but the time was korean war,for UN,mainly US army not in annexed by japan era in historical evidence.
One out of 10 or 5 korean women were sex slaves around in 1950.
burned Seoul,the criminals who kidnapped and raped girls and from villages were just korean and US army. you should study more.
"150 millions Korean masscribed" korean people ,it was korean own acting.
Mass Killings in Korea: Hidden history of 1950 (1/2) -Bodo League massacre
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Rd0uQelTo
韓国政府が隠蔽している韓国人大虐殺（保導連盟事件1950）
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EtVOSp3AQc
1950년 [보도연맹 사건] 한국정부의 민간인 학살. 적어도 20만 명을 살해했다.
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